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..companies should stay out of society
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31%
..companies have a role to play in society
55
19%
..David Hasselhoff is the best a man can get
47
16%
..this poll almost demanded that Hasselhoff option
18
6%
..did you just post this for that option
15
5%
..seriously?
28
10%
..let us move from #metoo to #meclick
13
4%
..#meclick polls
25
9%
 
Total votes : 291

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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:38 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Proctor & Gamble, the parent company of Gillette, make approximately everything.


Including SATAN.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/p ... acy-theory

Sure they deny it, but who wouldnt?

Satan makes famously good deals, I'd want him in my corner.
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An Alan Smithee Nation
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:40 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Including SATAN.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/p ... acy-theory

Sure they deny it, but who wouldnt?

Satan makes famously good deals, I'd want him in my corner.


Perhaps he could help out with Brexit.
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Esternial
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Postby Esternial » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:41 pm

If you get your knickers in a twist over this, it reveals quite a lot.

Playing the victim is easy, innit.

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Ostroeuropa
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:41 pm

The advert portrays two boys playing as unhealthy because of the gynocentric view feminism pushes where it views any difference in boys as a negative that needs to be eliminated, with girls as the baseline for how people should be.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:44 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:The advert portrays two boys playing as unhealthy because of the gynocentric view feminism pushes where it views any difference in boys as a negative that needs to be eliminated, with girls as the baseline for how people should be.

I'm not sure that they were playing. I think one boy was kicking the shit out of the other.
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Esternial
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Postby Esternial » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:45 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:The advert portrays two boys playing as unhealthy because of the gynocentric view feminism pushes where it views any difference in boys as a negative that needs to be eliminated, with girls as the baseline for how people should be.

Odd, don't think we watched the same video.

Mine had way more than one clip in it.

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Des-Bal
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Ex-Nation

Postby Des-Bal » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:45 pm

Esternial wrote:If you get your knickers in a twist over this, it reveals quite a lot.

Playing the victim is easy, innit.


Tell Jews not to steal people's money, see how they take it.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
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Shofercia
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Shofercia » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:48 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
You actually think that this video is going to make it harder for a pick up artist to pick up women? "I was going to pick you up, but then I saw this amazing Gillette video..." - seriously? Yes, clearly, pick up artists are crying at the very sight of this video, calling their mommy /sarcasm


And what exactly is so bad about pick up artists? I thought we were living in a libertine age of sexuality where women are free to sleep with whomever they choose to? If women fuck guys who could be described as "pick up artists", where's the problem? Have they weaponized their suaveness to the point that it interferes with women's ability to choose or something? It seems bizarre to think about those cats in the same context as "bullies" and rapists.


It's also hilarious how Ocelot included delusional conservatives along with rapists, but not delusional liberals. In Two and a Half Men, which remains a hilarious show in my book, despite its triggering properties, there's a great line, where a famed pick up artist confesses his lifestyle to a chick that he was trying to pick up earlier, and her response was "I'm just here to get laid in a beach house, what the fuck is wrong with you; it's a bar, not a confession booth!" When people go out to have fun, they know what they're getting into, and blaming it all on male pick up artists is sad, and yet hilarious at the same time. There's nothing wrong with being a pick up artist. Then again, this is the same video whose creators think that men go to barbecue to watch child wrestling.
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Esternial
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Postby Esternial » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:49 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Esternial wrote:If you get your knickers in a twist over this, it reveals quite a lot.

Playing the victim is easy, innit.


Tell Jews not to steal people's money, see how they take it.

...

You're comparing yourself to the Jews?

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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:51 pm

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Satan makes famously good deals, I'd want him in my corner.


Perhaps he could help out with Brexit.

Satan's already on the EU's side, that's why we're winning.


Ostroeuropa wrote:The advert portrays two boys playing as unhealthy because of the gynocentric view feminism pushes where it views any difference in boys as a negative that needs to be eliminated, with girls as the baseline for how people should be.

Biologically speaking, females are the baseline for the human species.
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Ostroeuropa
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:51 pm

Esternial wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:The advert portrays two boys playing as unhealthy because of the gynocentric view feminism pushes where it views any difference in boys as a negative that needs to be eliminated, with girls as the baseline for how people should be.

Odd, don't think we watched the same video.

Mine had way more than one clip in it.


It's one of the ways the advert is disgusting. yes, it portrayed many things.
Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Des-Bal
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:51 pm

Esternial wrote:...

You're comparing yourself to the Jews?


Do men deserve to be treated worse than jews?
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
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Ostroeuropa
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:51 pm

Ifreann wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Perhaps he could help out with Brexit.

Satan's already on the EU's side, that's why we're winning.


Ostroeuropa wrote:The advert portrays two boys playing as unhealthy because of the gynocentric view feminism pushes where it views any difference in boys as a negative that needs to be eliminated, with girls as the baseline for how people should be.

Biologically speaking, females are the baseline for the human species.


Oh well then I guess a fetus is a person too.

Note the underlined.
Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:52 pm

Esternial wrote:...

You're comparing yourself to the Jews?


If you were to line up "Being Jewish" and "Being Male" and compare the outcomes, it would go poorly for your incredulity. Most genocides target men, by the way.
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Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Esternial » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:53 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Esternial wrote:...

You're comparing yourself to the Jews?


Do men deserve to be treated worse than jews?

I don't think you'd get the point I would want to make while you're frothing at the mouth at anyone that doesn't consider this video North Korea made manifest as digital media.

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Des-Bal
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:55 pm

Ifreann wrote:Biologically speaking, females are the baseline for the human species.


Sociologically speaking you're suggesting identifying the flaws of the gender that ruled most countries, built most things, and has walked on the surface of moon by looking for departures from the behavior of the gender that hasn't.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:55 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Satan's already on the EU's side, that's why we're winning.



Biologically speaking, females are the baseline for the human species.


Oh well then I guess a fetus is a person too.

Note the underlined.

You can't just dismiss biology.


Ostroeuropa wrote:
Esternial wrote:...

You're comparing yourself to the Jews?


If you were to line up "Being Jewish" and "Being Male" and compare the outcomes, it would go poorly for your incredulity. Most genocides target men, by the way.

The Manocaust.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:55 pm

Esternial wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Do men deserve to be treated worse than jews?

I don't think you'd get the point I would want to make while you're frothing at the mouth at anyone that doesn't consider this video North Korea made manifest as digital media.


Suppose the media was wall to wall coverage of how black people need to get a grip and stop being criminal and how they need to get with the times and be more like this "Modern" black guy who conforms to white peoples expectations of what a black person should be like with attributes emphasized based on how useful that black person could be to white people.

What would you say about the people who shrugged and said "Well, criminality is a problem, I don't see why you're so angry.", even in the context of them being singled out for this treatment.

You'd say they were fucking racists right?

Gg.
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Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:57 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Oh well then I guess a fetus is a person too.

Note the underlined.

You can't just dismiss biology.


Ostroeuropa wrote:
If you were to line up "Being Jewish" and "Being Male" and compare the outcomes, it would go poorly for your incredulity. Most genocides target men, by the way.

The Manocaust.


It's irrelevant to personhood.

Your flippant response to the fact that most genocides target males is noted, feminist who supports this video.
Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Shofercia » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:58 pm

Trumptonium1 wrote:Nothing too bad, overall the video was retarded (especially the inclusion of the Sarkesian hag) but otherwise quite mild. Some nonsensical things like stopping kids playfighting because TOXIC MASCULINITY coupled with good and inspirational speeches from Terry Crews.

But mostly a failure. No idea why they decided to put that crap out. Gave it a well deserved dislike.


Oh, wait, they included that annoying chick from gamergate, who pretends to be a gamer just to lecture men on gaming, and who made a video analyzing butts, while making a video saying that staring at butts is wrong? I'm fairly certain that isn't the best that a man can get.
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Postby Esternial » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:59 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Esternial wrote:I don't think you'd get the point I would want to make while you're frothing at the mouth at anyone that doesn't consider this video North Korea made manifest as digital media.


Suppose the media was wall to wall coverage of how black people need to get a grip and stop being criminal and how they need to get with the times and be more like this black guy who conforms to white peoples expectations of what a black person should be like.

What would you say about the people who shrugged and said "Well, criminality is a problem, I don't see why you're so angry.", even in the context of them being singled out for this treatment.

You'd say they were fucking racists right?

Gg.

I think the underline succinctly illustrates why I'll give you a decade to cool down.

I can understand being upset about this, but this kind of response is just...well, sad.

Cheers.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:01 pm

Esternial wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Suppose the media was wall to wall coverage of how black people need to get a grip and stop being criminal and how they need to get with the times and be more like this black guy who conforms to white peoples expectations of what a black person should be like.

What would you say about the people who shrugged and said "Well, criminality is a problem, I don't see why you're so angry.", even in the context of them being singled out for this treatment.

You'd say they were fucking racists right?

Gg.

I think the underline succinctly illustrates why I'll give you a decade to cool down.

I can understand being upset about this, but this kind of response is just...well, sad.

Cheers.


Why is it sad? I think it's a fairly accurate noting of why these campaigns are flawed and why the people supporting them need to take a look at themselves and their biases.

"Gg" just means "Good game". The fact you failed to articulate a response and are instead storming off suggests it was well placed and accurate to assume this was over and you had no rebuttal to this observation.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Des-Bal » Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:01 pm

Esternial wrote:I don't think you'd get the point I would want to make while you're frothing at the mouth at anyone that doesn't consider this video North Korea made manifest as digital media.


I'm not frothing at the mouth at all, I noted pretty coherently that being told to improve yourself based on some fact about who you are is pretty irksome.

I haven't attacked anyone or made any outrageous claims, I never said the video would be harmful, I never said they should be punished for making it. That response just doesn't really apply and I think it's because you have a template for how you're supposed to respond when a man has a complaint about the way he's been treated. It's a little ironic considering how you entered the thread but I think maybe your response tells a little bit about who you are.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos

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Iron Fist Socialists

Postby Ifreann » Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:02 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Biologically speaking, females are the baseline for the human species.


Sociologically speaking you're suggesting identifying the flaws of the gender that ruled most countries, built most things, and has walked on the surface of moon by looking for departures from the behavior of the gender that hasn't.

I don't remember walking on the Moon. Am I not a man?


Ostroeuropa wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You can't just dismiss biology.



The Manocaust.


It's irrelevant to personhood.

Your flippant response to the fact that most genocides target males is noted, feminist who supports this video.

Not sure where you got the idea that I support the video, I've spent most of the thread pointing out that it's transparent wokewashing(thanks, DI) by a corporation, a class of things which are evil.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:02 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:Nothing too bad, overall the video was retarded (especially the inclusion of the Sarkesian hag) but otherwise quite mild. Some nonsensical things like stopping kids playfighting because TOXIC MASCULINITY coupled with good and inspirational speeches from Terry Crews.

But mostly a failure. No idea why they decided to put that crap out. Gave it a well deserved dislike.


Oh, wait, they included that annoying chick from gamergate, who pretends to be a gamer just to lecture men on gaming, and who made a video analyzing butts, while making a video saying that staring at butts is wrong? I'm fairly certain that isn't the best that a man can get.


It's also worth noting that feminism is a fringe viewpoint among men.
Ostro.MOV

There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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