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I think..

..companies should stay out of society
90
31%
..companies have a role to play in society
55
19%
..David Hasselhoff is the best a man can get
47
16%
..this poll almost demanded that Hasselhoff option
18
6%
..did you just post this for that option
15
5%
..seriously?
28
10%
..let us move from #metoo to #meclick
13
4%
..#meclick polls
25
9%
 
Total votes : 291

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:59 am

Woodfiredpizzas wrote:Hopefully this will just end up as another case of “get woke, go broke.”

P&G aren't going to go broke even if they start dumping pallets of cash into the ocean for the lulz.


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Ifreann wrote:Socially responsible advertising is obviously preferable, but people setting fire to their razors isn't likely to be as entertaining as people setting fire to their runners was.

No such thing as social responsibility in the corporate sphere.

Relatively speaking. Corporations are the devil, but the devil promoting positive masculinity(or whatever we want to call what Gillette is doing) to sell their razors is better than the devil promoting toxic masculinity(or other applicable antonym) to sell their razors.
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Postby Woodfiredpizzas » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:01 am

Ifreann wrote:
Woodfiredpizzas wrote:Hopefully this will just end up as another case of “get woke, go broke.”

P&G aren't going to go broke even if they start dumping pallets of cash into the ocean for the lulz.


West Leas Oros 2 wrote:No such thing as social responsibility in the corporate sphere.

Relatively speaking. Corporations are the devil, but the devil promoting positive masculinity(or whatever we want to call what Gillette is doing) to sell their razors is better than the devil promoting toxic masculinity(or other applicable antonym) to sell their razors.



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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:02 am

Australian rePublic wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Gillette is only ever worried about how much money Gillette is making.

A company who's trying to turn a profit. How very strange indeed


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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:02 am

Australian rePublic wrote:Gillete will learn the hard way about why companies should not play politics that don't effect their companies


Like Nike and their Kaerpernick... oh wait that increased sales by 31%.

They know full well that this ad will cause people to talk about their company, create threads like this on social media, it is exactly what they want.
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Postby Kannap » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:03 am

On the bright side, at least it's not the sheer power of Pepsi stopping a riot.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:04 am

Juristonia wrote:
Hirota wrote:Probably something to do with child labourer and slavery peddlers trying to lecture people on how to be "decent freaking person(s)." Eliminating or reducing Bullying and Harassment are all very credible goals, but they need to get their own house in order before pontificating to other people...the vast majority of which already know Bullying and Harassment are bad without being patronised by a Shaving Ad.

This is just a case of yet another business with questionable morals pretending to be woke, and convincing the gullible to applaud it.

Which would be a completely fair and appropriate reason, if any of the people throwing a hissyfit right now had ever complained about those problems before.

Gillette is a garbage company, that won't get my money, no matter how many feelgood commercials they pump out, but let's not pretend the current outrage even remotely has anything to do with that.


There is something immensely hypocritical about any business attempting to wokewash their image while maintaining standard dubious chains of supply and concentration of ownership. Methods such as these are a form of ideological ruse by capital in an era of increasing social inequality to mask the underlying material reality that their profits are based on exploitation.

Analytically speaking, it requires specific criticism because such behaviour by business is increasingly common and unless we identify and name the thing we can neither understand it nor respond properly to it.
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Postby Kernen » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:11 am

I don't know why y'all complain about the shave or your razors. Get a good straight razor and enjoy the best shave of your life with a tool that won't wear out in your lifetime if you take good care of it.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:14 am

Ifreann wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:No such thing as social responsibility in the corporate sphere.

Relatively speaking. Corporations are the devil, but the devil promoting positive masculinity(or whatever we want to call what Gillette is doing) to sell their razors is better than the devil promoting toxic masculinity(or other applicable antonym) to sell their razors.

If it legitimizes the devil in the eyes of the public, it likely is not better. And i'll admit i haven't seen the ad in question, but i do not believe what they support is necessarily positive.
But that's just my opinion.
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Postby Juristonia » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:23 am

Kannap wrote:On the bright side, at least it's not the sheer power of Pepsi stopping a riot.

I don't know. I wouldn't show up to a riot if they served Pepsi, so it would kinda work.

Dumb Ideologies wrote:There is something immensely hypocritical about any business attempting to wokewash their image while maintaining standard dubious chains of supply and concentration of ownership. Methods such as these are a form of ideological ruse by capital in an era of increasing social inequality to mask the underlying material reality that their profits are based on exploitation.

Analytically speaking, it requires specific criticism because such behaviour by business is increasingly common and unless we identify and name the thing we can neither understand it nor respond properly to it.

Completely agree.
However, looking around social media, I see very little (if any) of that kind of reasoning going around, and a whole lot of "Damn SJWs, muh manhood" crying.

People aren't mad because Gillette's a hypocritical fuckstorm of awful. They're mad because they, for some reason, take criticism of toxic masculinity personally.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:24 am

Kannap wrote:On the bright side, at least it's not the sheer power of Pepsi stopping a riot.


But when you talk about pepsi
Don't you know that you can count me out

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Postby Galloism » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:27 am

So, as is typical on these things, I decided to reverse the genders/causes to see if we feel the same way.

[Overlapping news audio]

Is the best a woman can get?

Is it?

We can’t hide from it.

It’s been going on far too long.

We can’t laugh it off.

What I actually think he’s trying to say…

Making the same old excuses.

“What did he do to make her do that?” “What did he do to make her do that?” “What did he do to make her do that?”

But something finally changed.

Allegations regarding sexual assault and sexual harassment

[overlapping news audio]

And there will be no going back.

Because we believe in the best in women.

Women need to hold other women accountable.
“He's lucky I would fuck him at all."
"Come on!"
To say the right thing.
To act the right way.
“Sis, not cool”.
Some already are.
In ways big and small.
Say “It’s ok to need help.”
But some is not enough.
“That’s not how we treat each other ok?”
“You okay?”
Because the girls watching today will be the women of tomorrow.

The best a woman can get.
It’s only by challenging ourselves to do more.
That we can get closer to our best.

We are taking action at TheBestWomenCanBe.net


Yeah, feels pretty inappropriate. Both women and men pin sexist gender roles on women and men, and to pretend that either women, or men, have no culpability for any of the pinned gender roles on each other is ludicrous and sexist. In Gilette's case, it's essentializing men as the True Actors (tm) of society, while women have no part in it, which is pretty damn sexist. In my faux reverse case, it's basically just the opposite - that women are responsible for the upbringing of women and the gender roles placed therein, and men have no part in it.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:27 am

It's an ad from a privately owned corporation trying to sell me razor blades and other stuff, but the message ain't bad in and of itself. I am loving the fragile screeching it's getting on Twitter.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:28 am

The best a man can get? I don't recall Gillette selling Bowie knives.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:29 am

That was an ad for razor blades? I missed that part.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:33 am

Kernen wrote:I don't know why y'all complain about the shave or your razors. Get a good straight razor and enjoy the best shave of your life with a tool that won't wear out in your lifetime if you take good care of it.

I use an electric shaver.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:35 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Kernen wrote:I don't know why y'all complain about the shave or your razors. Get a good straight razor and enjoy the best shave of your life with a tool that won't wear out in your lifetime if you take good care of it.

I use an electric shaver.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:35 am

Ethel mermania wrote:That was an ad for razor blades? I missed that part.


Hope the razors are sharper and cut more closely than the direction.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:37 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:That was an ad for razor blades? I missed that part.


Hope the razors are sharper and cut more closely than the direction.

Ouch
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Postby Kernen » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:37 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Kernen wrote:I don't know why y'all complain about the shave or your razors. Get a good straight razor and enjoy the best shave of your life with a tool that won't wear out in your lifetime if you take good care of it.

I use an electric shaver.

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Postby Galloism » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:39 am

Kernen wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I use an electric shaver.

Surrender your man card immediately.

I shave with a machete.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:40 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:That was an ad for razor blades? I missed that part.


Hope the razors are sharper and cut more closely than the direction.

Maybe we can get guy Ritchie to redo it.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:41 am

Galloism wrote:
Kernen wrote:Surrender your man card immediately.

I shave with a machete.

Shaving? How do you get a majestic beard by shaving?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:41 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Kernen wrote:I don't know why y'all complain about the shave or your razors. Get a good straight razor and enjoy the best shave of your life with a tool that won't wear out in your lifetime if you take good care of it.

I use an electric shaver.

That works fine for trimming my beard, but for a clean shave I do use a gillette product.
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The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:43 am

Liriena wrote:It's an ad from a privately owned corporation trying to sell me razor blades and other stuff, but the message ain't bad in and of itself. I am loving the fragile screeching it's getting on Twitter.


"I'm not 100% on board with some of the wider detail of the message, but it's great because it triggers the other side".

For a moment there I almost thought I'd seen this logic before from some other group...hmm, no it's gone.
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Postby Galloism » Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:44 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Galloism wrote:I shave with a machete.

Shaving? How do you get a majestic beard by shaving?

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