How do you see our collective moral and ethical cup? Half fu

[Geneviev]

If negative reactions to documentaries are saying that evangelicals are evil and teaching their children is child abuse, it is persecution.

And where are these statements? Source please.

These comments

[Valentine Z]

I am pretty certain that there is not much correlation between religion and ethics/morals. I say not much, because we can see a percentage of people that follows their religion religiously (pun intended) and follows the morals that it teaches.

And you also have atheists that are just as kind-hearted and compassionate. It all depends on the human psyche, really.

This might be a bit controversial for me to say, but I feel like we should not follow everything that a certain religion says in their doctrines. A lot have changed over the thousands of years, and some values might be... dare to say... out of fashion?

Just a thought from your friendly Buddhist lurking around NSG at times.

[The New California Republic]

And where are these statements? Source please.

These comments

Comments by trolls on Vimeo? So?

[Neutraligon]

Negative reactions to documentaries constitutes persecution?

If negative reactions to documentaries are saying that evangelicals are evil and teaching their children is child abuse, it is persecution.

Would that be true if the evangelicals where really abusing their children? Tell me, if people have negative reactions to videos about Catholic priests abusing children, is that persecution or legitimate grievances with the actions of Catholic priests? Could it be that people who are claiming abuse by evangelicals as described in the video are having legitimate grievances with the people in those movies? And how does my believing the dominionist evangelicals have evil morals constitute persecution?

[Xmara]

If negative reactions to documentaries are saying that evangelicals are evil and teaching their children is child abuse, it is persecution.

Would that be true if the evangelicals where really abusing their children? Tell me, if people have negative reactions to videos about Catholic priests abusing children, is that persecution or legitimate grievances with the actions of Catholic priests? Could it be that people who are claiming abuse by evangelicals as described in the video are having legitimate grievances with the people in those movies? And how does my believing the dominionist evangelicals have evil morals constitute persecution?

Can't watch video atm. What's it about specifically?

[Geneviev]

If negative reactions to documentaries are saying that evangelicals are evil and teaching their children is child abuse, it is persecution.

Would that be true if the evangelicals where really abusing their children? Tell me, if people have negative reactions to videos about Catholic priests abusing children, is that persecution or legitimate grievances with the actions of Catholic priests? Could it be that people who are claiming abuse by evangelicals as described in the video are having legitimate grievances with the people in those movies? And how does my believing the dominionist evangelicals have evil morals constitute persecution?

Teaching children isn't child abuse, and what was in the documentary wasn't close to it. And it's because it's about following the Bible which isn't immoral.

Would that be true if the evangelicals where really abusing their children? Tell me, if people have negative reactions to videos about Catholic priests abusing children, is that persecution or legitimate grievances with the actions of Catholic priests? Could it be that people who are claiming abuse by evangelicals as described in the video are having legitimate grievances with the people in those movies? And how does my believing the dominionist evangelicals have evil morals constitute persecution?

Can't watch video atm. What's it about specifically?

It's a documentary about a Christian camp.

[Xmara]

Would that be true if the evangelicals where really abusing their children? Tell me, if people have negative reactions to videos about Catholic priests abusing children, is that persecution or legitimate grievances with the actions of Catholic priests? Could it be that people who are claiming abuse by evangelicals as described in the video are having legitimate grievances with the people in those movies? And how does my believing the dominionist evangelicals have evil morals constitute persecution?

Teaching children isn't child abuse, and what was in the documentary wasn't close to it. And it's because it's about following the Bible which isn't immoral.

Can't watch video atm. What's it about specifically?

It's a documentary about a Christian camp.

I know that. But I mean like what are they doing to the kids in the video?

[Geneviev]

Teaching children isn't child abuse, and what was in the documentary wasn't close to it. And it's because it's about following the Bible which isn't immoral.


It's a documentary about a Christian camp.

I know that. But I mean like what are they doing to the kids in the video?

It's just a Christian camp. They're taught about what the Bible says, and they dance and sing a song that I will admit could be better. It's perfectly normal really.

[The New California Republic]

I know that. But I mean like what are they doing to the kids in the video?

It's just a Christian camp. They're taught about what the Bible says, and they dance and sing a song that I will admit could be better. It's perfectly normal really.

OOC: But again I don't see how any of this constitutes persecution as you have claimed.

[Xmara]

I know that. But I mean like what are they doing to the kids in the video?

It's just a Christian camp. They're taught about what the Bible says, and they dance and sing a song that I will admit could be better. It's perfectly normal really.

Huh. Sounds pretty standard for any Sunday school class.

As said previously, I think those comments were made by Internet trolls, not persecutors out for blood.

[Lanoraie II]

The cup is spilled. The contents? Getting all over the granite counter tops.

[Geneviev]

It's just a Christian camp. They're taught about what the Bible says, and they dance and sing a song that I will admit could be better. It's perfectly normal really.

Huh. Sounds pretty standard for any Sunday school class.

As said previously, I think those comments were made by Internet trolls, not persecutors out for blood.

It is normal, which is why calling it child abuse is a problem. And it's not just trolls. Most of the people are writing those comments. It's like most Americans think Christians are evil.

[Dogmeat]

No. Half fu!

[Neutraligon]

Would that be true if the evangelicals where really abusing their children? Tell me, if people have negative reactions to videos about Catholic priests abusing children, is that persecution or legitimate grievances with the actions of Catholic priests? Could it be that people who are claiming abuse by evangelicals as described in the video are having legitimate grievances with the people in those movies? And how does my believing the dominionist evangelicals have evil morals constitute persecution?

Teaching children isn't child abuse, and what was in the documentary wasn't close to it. And it's because it's about following the Bible which isn't immoral.

SInce I view the bible to be highly immoral I would say teaching it is also immoral. And I view indoctrination as done in the Jesus camp to be immoral as well so....

[Kowani]

Huh. Sounds pretty standard for any Sunday school class.

As said previously, I think those comments were made by Internet trolls, not persecutors out for blood.

It is normal, which is why calling it child abuse is a problem. And it's not just trolls. Most of the people are writing those comments. It's like most Americans think Christians are evil.

Well, most Americans are Christian, so that would be hard...

[The New California Republic]

Huh. Sounds pretty standard for any Sunday school class.

As said previously, I think those comments were made by Internet trolls, not persecutors out for blood.

It is normal, which is why calling it child abuse is a problem. And it's not just trolls. Most of the people are writing those comments. It's like most Americans think Christians are evil.

Again you haven't provided a source for that claim. You are claiming persecution but so far the only evidence you have provided is a handful of comments by trolls on Vimeo; and such "evidence" isn't really evidence at all.

[Risottia]

How do you see our collective moral and ethical cup?

There's no such thing as a "collective moral and ethical" thingie. Morality and ethics are personal.

[Page]

Huh. Sounds pretty standard for any Sunday school class.

As said previously, I think those comments were made by Internet trolls, not persecutors out for blood.

It is normal, which is why calling it child abuse is a problem. And it's not just trolls. Most of the people are writing those comments. It's like most Americans think Christians are evil.

Most Americans are Christians... The majority of Americans are Christians and well over 90% of those in government are Christians. And most secular people don't have a problem with religion in general, it only becomes problematic when members of a religions try to rule over the rest of us and when human rights abuses are allowed to occur because of religion.

[GnosticChristian]

Thanks all. I have a few comments.

Pagan Trapistan --- Christians don't have virtue unless they do charity, their doctrine consists in refraining from things, pathologizing sex, etc. The glass is empty with them. Mahayana says to have infinite compassion, but followers mostly just meditate. Again, the glass is empty.
DL- Thanks for this, but the question was directed at what you see.
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The New California Republic --- Using the thread title as inspiration, I'd say that it is half fu(cked).
DL- A shame you cannot read statistics.
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Andromeda Islands --- Ethics is common sense.
DL-True but that was not the question.
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Page Powerbroker --- I don't think it's possible to generalize humanity's moral direction as a whole.
DL- We can statistically and general agreement from the standards the demographers set.
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Western Vale Confederacy --- If you fill up the cup to half, it is half-full. If you fill up the cup to full and pour it down to half, it is half-empty. Context, context...
DL- IOW, you do not have the whit to analyse statistics.
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Purpelia
DL- Stats show that you are poorly informed. More facts and less B.S. would be nice.
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Neutraligon
DL- Well articulated and I agree that we are getting there in spite of religions holding us back.
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Geneviev Powerbroker --- In America, there's not enough Christians and whatever Christians actually follow the Bible are persecuted
DL- I see too many of them. Explain your last remark please as I see them as persecuting others with their homophobic and misogynous ways.

Geneviev Powerbroker --- Also, the reactions to documentaries like Jesus Camp.
DL- Yes as that is child abuse and deserves chastisement and would get it if not for us respecting religions that do not deserve respect.

Geneviev Powerbroker --- Teaching children isn't child abuse, and what was in the documentary wasn't close to it. And it's because it's about following the Bible which isn't immoral.
DL- Yes it is as it promotes genocide. Would you like to comment on my O.P. on inquisitions?
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Valentine Z
DL- Buddhism, like Gnostic Christians, believe in evolving their religion and putting man above God. The right thing to do that the idol worshipers cannot do and that is why their creeds are stagnating.

Regards
DL

[The New California Republic]

The New California Republic --- Using the thread title as inspiration, I'd say that it is half fu(cked).
DL- A shame you cannot read statistics.

The fuck are you talking about?

[GnosticChristian]

The New California Republic --- Using the thread title as inspiration, I'd say that it is half fu(cked).
DL- A shame you cannot read statistics.

The fuck are you talking about?

If you do not have the wit to know then ------

Regards
DL

[Xmara]

The New California Republic --- Using the thread title as inspiration, I'd say that it is half fu(cked).
DL- A shame you cannot read statistics.

The fuck are you talking about?

Op doesn’t know what statistics means, apparently.

I don’t recall idioms being part of my stats class.

[Valentine Z]

Valentine Z
DL- Buddhism, like Gnostic Christians, believe in evolving their religion and putting man above God. The right thing to do that the idol worshipers cannot do and that is why their creeds are stagnating.

Regards
DL

While I appreciate the comment, I, for the record, just want to state that I don't believe that the religion I believe in is much more correct than the others. I'm just sharing my views here, and I respect all the other religions of the other users here, whatever they may be.

For me, the only right thing to do is to help out people around me, regardless of differing religious views, or otherwise.

[Andromeda Islands]

Valentine Z
DL- Buddhism, like Gnostic Christians, believe in evolving their religion and putting man above God. The right thing to do that the idol worshipers cannot do and that is why their creeds are stagnating.

Regards
DL

While I appreciate the comment, I, for the record, just want to state that I don't believe that the religion I believe in is much more correct than the others. I'm just sharing my views here, and I respect all the other religions of the other users here, whatever they may be.

For me, the only right thing to do is to help out people around me, regardless of differing religious views, or otherwise.

How you treat people (including yourself) is the only important thing. Listening to others and finding out what they want (rather than what you think that they might want) is the true path.

[Valentine Z]

How you treat people (including yourself) is the only important thing. Listening to others and finding out what they want (rather than what you think that they might want) is the true path.

True, true. Thanks for this quote, I love it!