War plans with Iran requested by White House

[The New California Republic]

Oh no, sir, very much no. I'm not the one who started this conversation. Shouldn't it be the opposite?

But we have to keep the topic in check. I mean, is it really possible for the allies of USA to support this war plan?

To support a war plan? Or actually launching a war right now without further justification?
These are two totally different things.

Certainly American allies should have no problem with America planning for a possible war.

Certainly they might still can oppose starting a war without adequate justification.

Last I checked said war has not been started. And the US does not intend to start it.

The UK wouldn't back a war with Iran.

[Novus America]

While I do not agree with making Muslims second class citizens, this is a false equivalency.
Being white is not an ideology, not a religion, not a choice.
Islam is a choice.

Plus what happened in the past is different than what is happening now.
The age of colonization ended.
Plus Islam had its own age of colonization too. It was not any less rough for the colonized.
So even by your logic, Islam would still not be spared.

But collective punishment for wrongs of ancestors is always bad.

Certainly Islamism as practiced by Iran and Saudi Arabia is a dangerous ideology that must be opposed by all legal means. But only by legal means.

Indeed. Saudi Arabia practiced the "financing and spreading their version of Islamism" to the world is also a bad thing. About Iran...their form of Islamic republic and conservatism are clearly being seen as an issue.

EDIT : Inviting their allies mean a soon-to-be happened WW3. Iran can and will (I assume so) invites their own supporters and allies.

Oh Iran certainly could invite their supporters and allies.
But an invitation is not a guaranteed acceptance.

We invited our allies to join the Iraq operation. Some did. Some did not.
Though Iran has very few reliable allies.

Obviously a plan must take that possiblity into account though.

Though again, the vast majority of war plans are never implemented.

Planning for a hypothetical war is different than starting one.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red

[Novus America]

To support a war plan? Or actually launching a war right now without further justification?
These are two totally different things.

Certainly American allies should have no problem with America planning for a possible war.

Certainly they might still can oppose starting a war without adequate justification.

Last I checked said war has not been started. And the US does not intend to start it.

The UK wouldn't back a war with Iran.

It might. It depends on the context. The UK almost certainly would NOT support the US starting a war with Iran without adequate justification.

But if Iran started the war the UK very well might, depending on who is in power at the time the hypothetical war started.

[The New California Republic]

The UK wouldn't back a war with Iran.

It might. It depends on the context. The UK almost certainly would NOT support the US starting a war with Iran without adequate justification.

But if Iran started the war the UK very well might, depending on who is in power at the time the hypothetical war started.

The current domestic political climate makes it highly unlikely. Iran would have to invade Iraq or some shit in order to make the PM take the plunge. Because of Brexit she is already just about to fall on her sword, so supporting an invasion of Iran would end her much sooner. If Corbyn was PM then he would never back an invasion of Iran, regardless of what Iran did. I doubt that any current member of the cabinet who might replace May has the gall to support an invasion of Iran either.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Nazis and Muslims should.

If you’re going to blame an entire group for something a few people did, we should dehumanize all Christians and atheists. It just doesn’t make sense.

[Novus America]

It might. It depends on the context. The UK almost certainly would NOT support the US starting a war with Iran without adequate justification.

But if Iran started the war the UK very well might, depending on who is in power at the time the hypothetical war started.

The current domestic political climate makes it highly unlikely. Iran would have to invade Iraq or some shit in order to make the PM take the plunge. Because of Brexit she is already just about to fall on her sword, so supporting an invasion of Iran would end her much sooner. If Corbyn was PM then he would never back an invasion of Iran, regardless of what Iran did. I doubt that any current member of the cabinet who might replace May has the gall to support an invasion of Iran either.

These plans did not involve an actual invasion. Only air strikes according to the source.
War does not necessarily mean invading.

And sure Corbyn would probably oppose war with Iran even if Iran openly bombed London.

It is very possible the UK would not support a war. It is also possible they might.
Again it would depend on a combination of who started the war and who was in power.

Also the UK is very dependent on oils from the Gulf.
So they would not support starting a war, but might join to stop a war Iran started, if only put if economic necessity.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Obligatory anti-war song here

don't try to pretend to be a pacifist. You're being hypocritical. You've advocated violent jihad before repeatedly.

As for the issue of how to treat Muslims, I disagree with Pilar. There are plenty of good Muslims and it is possible to practice Islam without being a threat to your nation. However, Muslims who advocate views like those of Amin should be treated like the fifth column they are.

[Trumptonium1]

The UK wouldn't back a war with Iran.

It might. It depends on the context. The UK almost certainly would NOT support the US starting a war with Iran without adequate justification.

But if Iran started the war the UK very well might, depending on who is in power at the time the hypothetical war started.

For the UK to join a US war on Iran in the current political sphere without the leaders being suicidal, you'd need Iran to either start bombing Britain or someone the UK likes (like Australia) US not included

[Trumptonium1]

And sure Corbyn would probably oppose war with Iran even if Iran openly bombed London.

Well be prepared for all electoral eventualities...

Also the UK is very dependent on oils from the Gulf.
So they would not support starting a war, but might join to stop a war Iran started, if only put if economic necessity.

especially since as of this year the UK became a net exporter of oil for the first time since 1998...

there would be a large problem with gas imports from Qatar, though.

[Risottia]

Uhm. Does "Reza Shah" ring a bell? NO! Learning from history is for sissies! U-S-A! U-S-A!

I’m just saying that if we invade we shouldn’t go about “nation building”

Last time the US and their allies installed a dictator in Persia, somehow Persia got an Islamic Revolution and Khomeini as Supreme Leader after a while.
Or maybe you prefer to talk about the yuuuge success that has been the US support for Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Does Osama Bin Laden ring a bell, either?

'Murica should just avoid invading the MENA area, period. Just staying clear out of it would be even better.

[Risottia]

Nazis and Muslims should.

If you’re going to blame an entire group for something a few people did, we should dehumanize all Christians and atheists. It just doesn’t make sense.

Screw humans, they must be exterminated anyway.

[The New California Republic]

I’m just saying that if we invade we shouldn’t go about “nation building”

Last time the US and their allies installed a dictator in Persia, somehow Persia got an Islamic Revolution and Khomeini as Supreme Leader after a while.
Or maybe you prefer to talk about the yuuuge success that has been the US support for Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Does Osama Bin Laden ring a bell, either?

'Murica should just avoid invading the MENA area, period. Just staying clear out of it would be even better.

I'd entirely expect that we would have Islamic State 2: Electric Boogaloo if Iran was ever invaded.

[Novus America]

And sure Corbyn would probably oppose war with Iran even if Iran openly bombed London.

Well be prepared for all electoral eventualities...

Also the UK is very dependent on oils from the Gulf.
So they would not support starting a war, but might join to stop a war Iran started, if only put if economic necessity.

especially since as of this year the UK became a net exporter of oil for the first time since 1998...

there would be a large problem with gas imports from Qatar, though.

Fair enough.
Dependent on gas, not oil.
I was incorrect.

[Novus America]

It might. It depends on the context. The UK almost certainly would NOT support the US starting a war with Iran without adequate justification.

But if Iran started the war the UK very well might, depending on who is in power at the time the hypothetical war started.

For the UK to join a US war on Iran in the current political sphere without the leaders being suicidal, you'd need Iran to either start bombing Britain or someone the UK likes (like Australia) US not included

The UK has ships and personnel in the Persian Gulf region.
I doubt they would just let them die.

And sure if Corbyn is elected the US needs to stop considering the UK an ally.
I would hope long term plans account for that.

[Phoenicaea]

^ ..Trump will rather ally with Xi, at the end of the cruise, it is plain for their logic

[Sovaal]

War plans =/= war

Militaries make war plans all the time. Ever heard of War Plan Red? Doesn’t mean we’re going to war.

[Trumptonium1]

^ ..Trump will rather ally with Xi, at the end of the cruise, it is plain for their logic

I said I like China, their style of government and their government and foreign policy as an entity, not that I like the Chinese government as a fact.

One can admire Salazar without wishing to come closer. Indeed Japan did that to the next level, it admired a lot of Western countries, but still considered them rivals.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

^ ..Trump will rather ally with Xi, at the end of the cruise, it is plain for their logic

I said I like China, their style of government and their government and foreign policy as an entity, not that I like the Chinese government as a fact.

One can admire Salazar without wishing to come closer. Indeed Japan did that to the next level, it admired a lot of Western countries, but still considered them rivals.

*walks in*

Somebody said Salazar, so I must automatically intervene to prevent the socialistas from erroneously labelling him as a fascist.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Obligatory anti-war song here

don't try to pretend to be a pacifist.

What makes you think I'm trying or pretending?

You're being hypocritical.

No I'm not.

You've advocated violent jihad before repeatedly.

True.

As for the issue of how to treat Muslims, I disagree with Pilar. There are plenty of good Muslims and it is possible to practice Islam without being a threat to your nation. However, Muslims who advocate views like those of Amin should be treated like the fifth column they are.

Different views =/= 5th column

[Sahansahiye Iran]

don't try to pretend to be a pacifist.

What makes you think I'm trying or pretending?

You're being hypocritical.

No I'm not.

You've advocated violent jihad before repeatedly.

True.

As for the issue of how to treat Muslims, I disagree with Pilar. There are plenty of good Muslims and it is possible to practice Islam without being a threat to your nation. However, Muslims who advocate views like those of Amin should be treated like the fifth column they are.

Different views =/= 5th column

You literally just said that yes, you support warfare (violent jihad)...

When your different views literally go against the constitution and you say you will root for your country's enemies? Yes. That makes you a fifth column.

fifth col·umn
/ˈˌfi(f)TH ˈkäləm/
noun
a group within a country at war who are sympathetic to or working for its enemies.

[Ausinia]

It might. It depends on the context. The UK almost certainly would NOT support the US starting a war with Iran without adequate justification.

But if Iran started the war the UK very well might, depending on who is in power at the time the hypothetical war started.

For the UK to join a US war on Iran in the current political sphere without the leaders being suicidal, you'd need Iran to either start bombing Britain or someone the UK likes (like Australia) US not included

Well I guess this is what I’m gonna end up join the military for.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

What makes you think I'm trying or pretending?

No I'm not.

True.

Different views =/= 5th column

You literally just said that yes, you support warfare (violent jihad)...

Correct.

When your different views literally go against the constitution and you say you will root for your country's enemies? Yes. That makes you a fifth column.

fifth col·umn
/ˈˌfi(f)TH ˈkäləm/
noun
a group within a country at war who are sympathetic to or working for its enemies.

Ok.

[UniversalCommons]

The whole thing lacks subtlety. Why not just use old fashioned skulduggery, espionage, covert action, and sabotage?

[Trumptonium1]

For the UK to join a US war on Iran in the current political sphere without the leaders being suicidal, you'd need Iran to either start bombing Britain or someone the UK likes (like Australia) US not included

Well I guess this is what I’m gonna end up join the military for.

To bomb Australia?

[Ausinia]

Well I guess this is what I’m gonna end up join the military for.

To bomb Australia?

What, no! I didn’t read it right! No! I’m from Australia, no!