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Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran. (War.)
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Don't start another war. (Peace.)
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Deltia
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Postby Deltia » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:52 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Deltia wrote:All I know is if there is a war, I’d pretend to be 18 and join the United States Army. I don’t give a damn if I die. As long as it’s for my nation, it’s good.

This isn't 1942, mate lol. To join, you need to provide an ID, Social Security Card, and birth certificate. You are also fingerprinted at least 4 times. And lying during enlistment is punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
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So, you'd root for Daesh? Got ya. Thanks for showing more that my disgust is well-founded.



K I’ll convince my older sister to sign up then so she dies. I can’t care less that we’re family. She hates me, I hate her. Simple as that. She has also shown increasing desire to join the army recently.
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Postby Skarten » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:53 pm

The most effective way to conquer Iran is with cavalry, as seen by the Greeks,Parthians,Arabs,Turks,Mongols,etc etc.
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Postby The Rich Port » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:53 pm

Khataiy wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I have read Al-Jazeera before, it's my fav news source. I have not seen any of this, so where have you seen it?

I am not going to look for articles to prove it


That is quite possibly one of the laziest things I have ever heard.

Your bias against Iran is painfully obvious.

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I didn't say anything about them.

Are they not Muslim?


Now to be fair, some people don't see them as Muslim.

They're more like this weird Satanic cult in more ways than one.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:53 pm

Deltia wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:This isn't 1942, mate lol. To join, you need to provide an ID, Social Security Card, and birth certificate. You are also fingerprinted at least 4 times. And lying during enlistment is punishable by up to 10 years in prison.

So, you'd root for Daesh? Got ya. Thanks for showing more that my disgust is well-founded.



K I’ll convince my older sister to sign up then so she dies. I can’t care less that we’re family. She hates me, I hate her. Simple as that. She has also shown increasing desire to join the army recently.

Erm. Okay then...
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Postby Frievolk » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:54 pm

Deltia wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:This isn't 1942, mate lol. To join, you need to provide an ID, Social Security Card, and birth certificate. You are also fingerprinted at least 4 times. And lying during enlistment is punishable by up to 10 years in prison.

So, you'd root for Daesh? Got ya. Thanks for showing more that my disgust is well-founded.



K I’ll convince my older sister to sign up then so she dies. I can’t care less that we’re family. She hates me, I hate her. Simple as that. She has also shown increasing desire to join the army recently.

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Postby Nova Colombian Confederation » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:54 pm

eh, it doesn't really matter, they ain't moving troops after all. Plus, this is normal, "Si vis pacem, para bellum" and all that.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:54 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Khataiy wrote:I am not going to look for articles to prove it


That is quite possibly one of the laziest things I have ever heard.

Your bias against Iran is painfully obvious.

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Are they not Muslim?


Now to be fair, some people don't see them as Muslim.

They're more like this weird Satanic cult in more ways than one.

He's a Wahhabi. His bias is inherent.

And I know how some view it. I just seem to remember Amin generally opposing takfir against them. I may be misremembering, though.
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Postby Greater Germany » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:55 pm

Such a war would probably be the one thing Chuck Schumer would support Trump over.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:58 pm

Deltia wrote:All I know is if there is a war, I’d pretend to be 18 and join the United States Army. I don’t give a damn if I die.

Nonsense.
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Postby Scomagia » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:05 pm

What's the problem, exactly? Governments draw up war plans for all kinds of conflicts they never actually intend to get into. We had war a war plan for Canada, for fuck's sake.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:05 pm

Deltia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:It most likely won't be for your nation.



You saw that right?

Nah, you edited it after I quoted it. Sry.
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I didn't say anything about them.

Are they not Muslim?

I doubt that they are.
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
That is quite possibly one of the laziest things I have ever heard.

Your bias against Iran is painfully obvious.



Now to be fair, some people don't see them as Muslim.

They're more like this weird Satanic cult in more ways than one.

He's a Wahhabi. His bias is inherent.

And I know how some view it. I just seem to remember Amin generally opposing takfir against them. I may be misremembering, though.

When? And I oppose takfir against almost every Muslim but that's changing.
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Postby Uiiop » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:08 pm

Scomagia wrote:What's the problem, exactly? Governments draw up war plans for all kinds of conflicts they never actually intend to get into. We had war a war plan for Canada, for fuck's sake.

And that's makes this okay because? This being commonplace has nothing to do with the ethics of it.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:12 pm

Uiiop wrote:
Scomagia wrote:What's the problem, exactly? Governments draw up war plans for all kinds of conflicts they never actually intend to get into. We had war a war plan for Canada, for fuck's sake.

And that's makes this okay because? This being commonplace has nothing to do with the ethics of it.

Is it unethical to draw up plans for something that likely will never happen? I could imagine beating someone around the head, but if I don't actually do it then where is the wrong in the nonexistent conduct, as that is what ethics is after all?
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:12 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:When? And I oppose takfir against almost every Muslim but that's changing.

The bolded is obviously what led me to that conclusion.
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Postby Uiiop » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:18 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Uiiop wrote:And that's makes this okay because? This being commonplace has nothing to do with the ethics of it.

Is it unethical to draw up plans for something that likely will never happen? I could imagine beating someone around the head, but if I don't actually do it then where is the wrong in the nonexistent conduct, as that is what ethics is after all?

Hypothetically speaking? It depends. An action like telling yourself at night what you might do in morning can affect your mind to make doing said thing easier. But that's hardly a guarantee by itself.

However in this case multiple state official are taking this as sign of them thinking about if not an action that could by itself result in direct conflict.
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Postby Scomagia » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:19 pm

Uiiop wrote:
Scomagia wrote:What's the problem, exactly? Governments draw up war plans for all kinds of conflicts they never actually intend to get into. We had war a war plan for Canada, for fuck's sake.

And that's makes this okay because? This being commonplace has nothing to do with the ethics of it.

It's unethical to not draw up war plans. Do you think it's appropriate to just pretend war doesn't happen and then hurriedly draw up shoddy plans when war actually does happen?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:19 pm

Deltia wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:This isn't 1942, mate lol. To join, you need to provide an ID, Social Security Card, and birth certificate. You are also fingerprinted at least 4 times. And lying during enlistment is punishable by up to 10 years in prison.

So, you'd root for Daesh? Got ya. Thanks for showing more that my disgust is well-founded.



K I’ll convince my older sister to sign up then so she dies. I can’t care less that we’re family. She hates me, I hate her. Simple as that. She has also shown increasing desire to join the army recently.

And im the God Emperor of Man.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:20 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:When? And I oppose takfir against almost every Muslim but that's changing.

The bolded is obviously what led me to that conclusion.

I don't see how.
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Postby Adad Civilization » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:20 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Deltia wrote:

K I’ll convince my older sister to sign up then so she dies. I can’t care less that we’re family. She hates me, I hate her. Simple as that. She has also shown increasing desire to join the army recently.

And im the God Emperor of Man.

But what if you actually are?
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:20 pm

Deltia wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:This isn't 1942, mate lol. To join, you need to provide an ID, Social Security Card, and birth certificate. You are also fingerprinted at least 4 times. And lying during enlistment is punishable by up to 10 years in prison.

So, you'd root for Daesh? Got ya. Thanks for showing more that my disgust is well-founded.



K I’ll convince my older sister to sign up then so she dies. I can’t care less that we’re family. She hates me, I hate her. Simple as that. She has also shown increasing desire to join the army recently.

Look dude as someone who joined the military to get out of a shitty homelife get help first. Because the military is a big commitment and you can’t just leave it
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:21 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Deltia wrote:

K I’ll convince my older sister to sign up then so she dies. I can’t care less that we’re family. She hates me, I hate her. Simple as that. She has also shown increasing desire to join the army recently.

And im the God Emperor of Man.

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Postby Frievolk » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:21 pm

Uiiop wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Is it unethical to draw up plans for something that likely will never happen? I could imagine beating someone around the head, but if I don't actually do it then where is the wrong in the nonexistent conduct, as that is what ethics is after all?

Hypothetically speaking? It depends. An action like telling yourself at night what you might do in morning can affect your mind to make doing said thing easier. But that's hardly a guarantee by itself.

However in this case multiple state official are taking this as sign of them thinking about if not an action that could by itself result in direct conflict.

And? Failing to prepare is preparing to fail. Especially in case of war. Hell, most of the time even the plans don't work in the first place, but to just not have a plan of invasion against the most troublesome sovereign state in the Middle East is just plain stupidity.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:22 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Uiiop wrote:And that's makes this okay because? This being commonplace has nothing to do with the ethics of it.

Is it unethical to draw up plans for something that likely will never happen? I could imagine beating someone around the head, but if I don't actually do it then where is the wrong in the nonexistent conduct, as that is what ethics is after all?

Just to clarify. The pentagon doesn’t need congressional approval to draw up war plans. So I have no idea what the White House is doing
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:23 pm

Adad Civilization wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:And im the God Emperor of Man.

But what if you actually are?

Well i am.

I was just stating a fact.


Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:And im the God Emperor of Man.

Blood for the Blood God. Skulls for the Skull Throne.

Down with the weak Emperor.
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Postby Uiiop » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:24 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Uiiop wrote:And that's makes this okay because? This being commonplace has nothing to do with the ethics of it.

It's unethical to not draw up war plans. Do you think it's appropriate to just pretend war doesn't happen and then hurriedly draw up shoddy plans when war actually does happen?

The "this" i was referring to was more out of this particular instance than in general.
And right now it seems the only thing making this war a possible thing is the US state's(Or at least the secretary's) own trigger finger.
You don't need to be an anti-prepper to be against this instance.
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