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Postby The Holy Therns » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:11 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:But due to comic book decompression, increasingly, they don't.

Which can be quite irritating when you buy some old comic books and get into the story, only to find out that the comic books necessary to complete the epic saga are nowhere to be found, at least not for reasonable prices.


Or hilarious when you realize the first Spider-Man comic you owned as a kid resolved four storylines you never knew about.

It was confusing as hell but damned if seven year old me didn't love that issue.
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Postby Immoren » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:31 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Immoren wrote:Pretentiousness of term "graphic novel" hasn't worn out much for me.

It's shorter than "paperback comic book" and therefore more efficient. The trick is to make a distinction between regular comic books, who tend to have less pages and are of the A4 format and the graphic novel, which usually has several dozen pages or more while also coming closer to the A5 format.


"comic book" is fine to describe those too.

Or perhaps I'm gotten to this naming issue with wrong foot. Like graphic novel sounds like euphemism because you're embarrassed to admit reading comics.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:36 am

Immoren wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:It's shorter than "paperback comic book" and therefore more efficient. The trick is to make a distinction between regular comic books, who tend to have less pages and are of the A4 format and the graphic novel, which usually has several dozen pages or more while also coming closer to the A5 format.


"comic book" is fine to describe those too.

Or perhaps I'm gotten to this naming issue with wrong foot. Like graphic novel sounds like euphemism because you're embarrassed to admit reading comics.


Oh no, I'd say there's a definite difference between a graphic novel and a comic book. Way I've always understood it, a graphic novel is a single isolated work while a comic book is a serial publication. Shorter self-contained series (like Watchmen, for instance) could kind of reasonably be considered graphic novels when published together, but longer series can't claim the same because they're volumes part of longer works.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:42 am

Immoren wrote:
Heloin wrote:I may have accidentally started going full weeb again today while hanging out with friends after work. We went to a book store about 15 minutes before closing and I may have possibly walked out with this...


I should read the first two S&W novel volumes given they've been collecting dust for a while.

I owned the first three at one point but sold them when I decided it was too much effort to buy all 21 volumes, then I changed my mind when I saw eight volumes sitting right next to each other.

The Holy Therns wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Which can be quite irritating when you buy some old comic books and get into the story, only to find out that the comic books necessary to complete the epic saga are nowhere to be found, at least not for reasonable prices.


Or hilarious when you realize the first Spider-Man comic you owned as a kid resolved four storylines you never knew about.

It was confusing as hell but damned if seven year old me didn't love that issue.

The nearest place I got comics as a kid was 850km away, and then my parents would usually buy only one or two issues of Spiderman when we were on vacation in Jo'burg for me. I don't think I've ever read a spider comic storyline resolve or read what caused a resolution.

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Postby The Holy Therns » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:44 am

Heloin wrote:The nearest place I got comics as a kid was 850km away, and then my parents would usually buy only one or two issues of Spiderman when we were on vacation in Jo'burg for me. I don't think I've ever read a spider comic storyline resolve or read what caused a resolution.


Yeah, by the 90s they were really prone to that sort of thing, but I was a kid. There were cool fights in every issue and that's really all I wanted at the time.

Plus it made the older issues once I started reading them feel so much better.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:46 am

Immoren wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:It's shorter than "paperback comic book" and therefore more efficient. The trick is to make a distinction between regular comic books, who tend to have less pages and are of the A4 format and the graphic novel, which usually has several dozen pages or more while also coming closer to the A5 format.

"comic book" is fine to describe those too.

Or perhaps I'm gotten to this naming issue with wrong foot. Like graphic novel sounds like euphemism because you're embarrassed to admit reading comics.

I've been reading comics since I was a young child, never stopped since. Granted, many of the comics I've been reading the last twenty years are webcomics, but the dead tree version is also still of interest to me.


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Postby Immoren » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:47 am

The Holy Therns wrote:
Immoren wrote:
"comic book" is fine to describe those too.

Or perhaps I'm gotten to this naming issue with wrong foot. Like graphic novel sounds like euphemism because you're embarrassed to admit reading comics.


Oh no, I'd say there's a definite difference between a graphic novel and a comic book. Way I've always understood it, a graphic novel is a single isolated work while a comic book is a serial publication. Shorter self-contained series (like Watchmen, for instance) could kind of reasonably be considered graphic novels when published together, but longer series can't claim the same because they're volumes part of longer works.


Still. In the end they're "rows of pictures with speech bubbles", so technical differences seem to be really minute for such distinctions.
Also there might be language/cultural thing of applying logic of one language to another language going for me, because Finnish has one word describing such media. Finnish word for comic is sarjakuva/sarjakuvat which literally means "sequence of images/image sequence" which is fits for comics and "graphic novels". And because I heard English term "graphic novel" much, much later than comic, any media with row of images has become comic to me, even if you fry it in butter.
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discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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Postby Immoren » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:48 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Immoren wrote:"comic book" is fine to describe those too.

Or perhaps I'm gotten to this naming issue with wrong foot. Like graphic novel sounds like euphemism because you're embarrassed to admit reading comics.

I've been reading comics since I was a young child, never stopped since. Granted, many of the comics I've been reading the last twenty years are webcomics, but the dead tree version is also still of interest to me.


It was more of a generic you than you you. lol
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discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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Postby Heloin » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:49 am

The Holy Therns wrote:
Heloin wrote:The nearest place I got comics as a kid was 850km away, and then my parents would usually buy only one or two issues of Spiderman when we were on vacation in Jo'burg for me. I don't think I've ever read a spider comic storyline resolve or read what caused a resolution.


Yeah, by the 90s they were really prone to that sort of thing, but I was a kid. There were cool fights in every issue and that's really all I wanted at the time.

Plus it made the older issues once I started reading them feel so much better.

Basically yeah. No idea why Spiderman is fighting this guy, guess that guy is the baddie. Now punch him and do something cool with the web swinging :p

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:49 am

Heloin wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:I do have that cookbook, but no.

Two months later we finally have us an answer.


We had the answer the first day.
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

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Postby The Holy Therns » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:50 am

Immoren wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
Oh no, I'd say there's a definite difference between a graphic novel and a comic book. Way I've always understood it, a graphic novel is a single isolated work while a comic book is a serial publication. Shorter self-contained series (like Watchmen, for instance) could kind of reasonably be considered graphic novels when published together, but longer series can't claim the same because they're volumes part of longer works.


Still. In the end they're "rows of pictures with speech bubbles", so technical differences seem to be really minute for such distinctions.
Also there might be language/cultural thing of applying logic of one language to another language going for me, because Finnish has one word describing such media. Finnish word for comic is sarjakuva/sarjakuvat which literally means "sequence of images/image sequence" which is fits for comics and "graphic novels". And because I heard English term "graphic novel" much, much later than comic, any media with row of images has become comic to me, even if you fry it in butter.


This is honestly a bit like saying a movie is a TV series because they're both moving pictures.
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Gallade wrote:Love, cake, wine and banter. No greater meaning to life (〜^∇^)〜

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Postby Heloin » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:51 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Heloin wrote:Two months later we finally have us an answer.


We had the answer the first day.

I never truly read the OP that thoroughly and once I realised that Farn had stated such in the OP I was kinda hopping no one would dig to deeply into my joke :oops:

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:54 am

Heloin wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
We had the answer the first day.

I never truly read the OP that thoroughly and once I realised that Farn had stated such in the OP I was kinda hopping no one would dig to deeply into my joke :oops:


I need to stop reading back. Also as an fyi when farn says "herself", it's not her being an egotist, she is reffering to her significant other.
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The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Postby Heloin » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:56 am

Ethel mermania wrote:Also as an fyi when farn says "herself", it's not her being an egotist, she is reffering to her significant other.

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:00 am

The Holy Therns wrote:
Immoren wrote:
Still. In the end they're "rows of pictures with speech bubbles", so technical differences seem to be really minute for such distinctions.
Also there might be language/cultural thing of applying logic of one language to another language going for me, because Finnish has one word describing such media. Finnish word for comic is sarjakuva/sarjakuvat which literally means "sequence of images/image sequence" which is fits for comics and "graphic novels". And because I heard English term "graphic novel" much, much later than comic, any media with row of images has become comic to me, even if you fry it in butter.

This is honestly a bit like saying a movie is a TV series because they're both moving pictures.

Finnish surely is an efficient language. In Dutch you have the word "stripboek" for comic book, while a graphic novel has been called "beeldroman".


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Postby The Holy Therns » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:02 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:This is honestly a bit like saying a movie is a TV series because they're both moving pictures.

Finnish surely is an efficient language. In Dutch you have the word "stripboek" for comic book, while a graphic novel has been called "beeldroman".


I thought that was a Pokémon.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:06 am

The Holy Therns wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Finnish surely is an efficient language. In Dutch you have the word "stripboek" for comic book, while a graphic novel has been called "beeldroman".

I thought that was a Pokémon.

Given the vast number of Pokémon out there, it can't be entirely ruled out.


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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:08 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Heloin wrote:I never truly read the OP that thoroughly and once I realised that Farn had stated such in the OP I was kinda hopping no one would dig to deeply into my joke :oops:


I need to stop reading back. Also as an fyi when farn says "herself", it's not her being an egotist, she is reffering to her significant other.


Farn is Goddessness.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:09 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
I need to stop reading back. Also as an fyi when farn says "herself", it's not her being an egotist, she is reffering to her significant other.


Farn is Goddessness.


Farntasticness, please.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:11 am

The Holy Therns wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Farn is Goddessness.


Farntasticness, please.


No, that’s you. Thernstasticness.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:11 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
Farntasticness, please.


No, that’s you. Thernstasticness.


No, that's you. Nanamazingness.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:12 am

The Holy Therns wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
No, that’s you. Thernstasticness.


No, that's you. Nanamazingness.


I’m more of a Nanacicle atm. It’s freezing around here.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:17 am

Thernstastic and Nanamazing, two forgotten superheroines who had an unresolved comic series of about three episodes back in the black & white comic boom in the early nineties.


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Postby Immoren » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:47 am

Talking about comic books.
I am itching to order every volume of Land of the Lustrous thats been officially published in English translation.
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discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:53 am

Immoren wrote:Talking about comic books.
I am itching to order every volume of Land of the Lustrous thats been officially published in English translation.

"Hear me out. What if precious gems were anime girls?"


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