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Would you do the challenge for 2 million? Would you be able to quit after?

As a current Non-Smoker, I would do the challenge, then I would easily quit after (easy money, I'm strong)
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49%
As a current Non-Smoker, I would do the challenge, but I will probably be unable to quit after (2 million for a long time of smoking)
7
6%
As a current Non-Smoker, I would do the challenge, I won't be able to quit but I wouldn't even want to (smoking is cool)
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2%
As a current Non-Smoker, I wouldn't do the challenge, this is Exploitation and I hope the person offering the money Burns
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32%
As a current Smoker, I would do the challenge, afterwards I would be able to quit (quitting is easy, I've done it often (and returned))
1
1%
As a current Smoker, I would do the challenge, afterwards, I would continue to smoke 10 to 20 cigarettes every day with a sigh in my heart
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As a current Smoker, I would do the challenge, however, I think realistically I could go back to my previous smoking quota with effort
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4%
As a current Smoker, I wouldn't do the challenge, this is Exploitation, I wish the person offering the money would Burn
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1%
I already smoke 20 cigarettes every day (OP doesn't believe me)
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5%
 
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:56 am

Des-Bal wrote:I am absolutely shocked how many people are saying "no." That's a pack and a half of cigarettes over the course of a month- even if you already smoke you're stepping it up to half a pack or a full pack a day (with anyone who doesn't explode into cancer cells after smoking more than that being some kind of impossible freak monster).

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They're really not because you've been doing like ten milligrams of nicotine a day and you haven't had the time or dosage to associate the feeling with any activity to develop real cravings. Ten miligrams: it could be cocaine that's still barely anything.

My family has a history of medical issues that I’d rather not aggravate by smoking. Plus I’d be a dead man if I did. So hard pass
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Postby Luziyca » Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:59 am

I'll do that challenge, as I am a non-smoker who currently loves the smell of cigarette smoke. Dunno if I'll be able to quit, but meh. I'll take the two million after I'm done.

Now, if it were two million Zimbabwean dollars, hell no.
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Postby Purpelia » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:02 am

Given that I quit all caffeine I say this is easy money. After all how hard can a month of smoking be compared to decades of drinking coffee just to stay awake culminating in the better half of a decade of brewing the stuff with so much sugar and coffee inside that it was basically an energy drink?
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Postby Xmara » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:06 am

As tempting as $2 million sounds, I don’t think I’d do it.

Addiction to pretty much anything from gaming to gambling runs in the family, so I don’t think I’d be able to just quit like that.

And then there’s the family history of respiratory issues. I have several family members with COPD.

With my luck I’ll be addicted, blow my $2 million on more cigs, and die from respiratory disease at age 40.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:07 am

What surprisingly is to me is how many people are using the word "moral", to describe smoking or not smoking.

There are plenty of excellent reasons not to smoke, Good vs. Evil is not one of them. That some would consider smoking a moral issue I find pretty fucked up.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:08 am

Xmara wrote:As tempting as $2 million sounds, I don’t think I’d do it.

Addiction to pretty much anything from gaming to gambling runs in the family, so I don’t think I’d be able to just quit like that.

And then there’s the family history of respiratory issues. I have several family members with COPD.

With my luck I’ll be addicted, blow my $2 million on more cigs, and die from respiratory disease at age 40.

I’m in the same boat. I have a few direct relatives with COPD, some of my relatives have asthma, and I myself had childhood asthma (it went away before I was 10).

So ya I’m not tempting fate
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:11 am

Thermodolia wrote:My family has a history of medical issues that I’d rather not aggravate by smoking. Plus I’d be a dead man if I did. So hard pass


I think you're overestimating the danger of cigarettes. You're not going to get COPD because you once smoked a pack and a half of cigarettes over the course of a month, you're also probably not going to have a fatal asthma attack because of one cigarette.
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Postby Xmara » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:12 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Xmara wrote:As tempting as $2 million sounds, I don’t think I’d do it.

Addiction to pretty much anything from gaming to gambling runs in the family, so I don’t think I’d be able to just quit like that.

And then there’s the family history of respiratory issues. I have several family members with COPD.

With my luck I’ll be addicted, blow my $2 million on more cigs, and die from respiratory disease at age 40.

I’m in the same boat. I have a few direct relatives with COPD, some of my relatives have asthma, and I myself had childhood asthma (it went away before I was 10).

So ya I’m not tempting fate


My dad had childhood asthma. As an adult he now has COPD.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:13 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:My family has a history of medical issues that I’d rather not aggravate by smoking. Plus I’d be a dead man if I did. So hard pass


I think you're overestimating the danger of cigarettes. You're not going to get COPD because you once smoked a pack and a half of cigarettes over the course of a month, you're also probably not going to have a fatal asthma attack because of one cigarette.


I cannot underestimate my increased chances at addiction, thus I will simply not risk it.

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Postby Sougra » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:14 am

Ethel mermania wrote:What surprisingly is to me is how many people are using the word "moral", to describe smoking or not smoking.

There are plenty of excellent reasons not to smoke, Good vs. Evil is not one of them. That some would consider smoking a moral issue I find pretty fucked up.

Well, in my case, it's because I consider smoking to be a drug, and I don't want to do any drugs, combined with it being a religious thing, although smoking is somewhat of an exception, but I don't consider it to be one. Now, yes, there is hypocrisy with the fact that I drink caffeine, but I'm trying to lessen my intake of that as much as I can. There's plenty of good reasons to smoke, and if one considers it to be a moral issue and that prevents them from doing so, then there's no real harm being done.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:19 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:I cannot underestimate my increased chances at addiction, thus I will simply not risk it.


You can absolutely overestimate it and in this case it would be at the expense of two million dollars which is enough money to stop working.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:35 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:My family has a history of medical issues that I’d rather not aggravate by smoking. Plus I’d be a dead man if I did. So hard pass


I think you're overestimating the danger of cigarettes. You're not going to get COPD because you once smoked a pack and a half of cigarettes over the course of a month, you're also probably not going to have a fatal asthma attack because of one cigarette.

I actually might.

Secondhand smoke is one of my known triggers, and I've had some nasty attacks; I don't rate my chances highly with first-hand smoke.

Morality doesn't actually rate in my decision at all (I don't see smoking as a moral/immoral choice). But, if I'm going to go for a chance at a large amount of money, I might as well stack the odds of surviving to get it.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:42 am

Sougra wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:What surprisingly is to me is how many people are using the word "moral", to describe smoking or not smoking.

There are plenty of excellent reasons not to smoke, Good vs. Evil is not one of them. That some would consider smoking a moral issue I find pretty fucked up.

Well, in my case, it's because I consider smoking to be a drug, and I don't want to do any drugs, combined with it being a religious thing, although smoking is somewhat of an exception, but I don't consider it to be one. Now, yes, there is hypocrisy with the fact that I drink caffeine, but I'm trying to lessen my intake of that as much as I can. There's plenty of good reasons to smoke, and if one considers it to be a moral issue and that prevents them from doing so, then there's no real harm being done.


Whether i slit your throat and take your money from you and get away with it, is a moral issue.

If I could get away with it, Should I steal from the bank, is a moral issue.

Should I light up a cancer stick, is not.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:55 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:Please consider the following very simple hypothetical:

Someone offers to pay you 2 million dollars. But only if you smoke a certain number of standard nicotine content cigarettes.

If you are a non-smoker you must smoke 1 cigarette every single day for a whole month.

If you are already a smoker, you must smoke 10 cigarettes every single day for a whole month (if you already do that, then smoke 20 cigarettes every single day for a whole month if you actually already smoke 20 cigarettes every day then... I don't believe you).

Assume that you can legally purchase cigarettes in this scenario regardless of age.

The money will only be paid to you if at the final completion of the task at the end of the month.

Please discuss whether or not you would accept the challenge (as a current non-smoker or smoker) and whether or not you believe you will be able to quit afterwards.

As a non smoker, I would accept the challenge but at the cost of my health for the rest of my life. Quitting and shows of will are not my strength. But I guess that's the price for 2 mil.


As a non smoker, I'd do it. Of course, I wouldn't ACTIVELY smoke the cigarette, but just let it burn as I hold the cigarette in my mouth. When I'd need to take a breath, I'd pull the cigarette from my mouth and turn my head.

Unless in the latest of your wierd hypotheticals, you'd implant a carbon monoxide detector into my lungs.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:56 am

Can I do the one a day for a month, get the money, then start smoking and do the pack a day for month for another two million?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:12 am

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Please consider the following very simple hypothetical:

Someone offers to pay you 2 million dollars. But only if you smoke a certain number of standard nicotine content cigarettes.

If you are a non-smoker you must smoke 1 cigarette every single day for a whole month.

If you are already a smoker, you must smoke 10 cigarettes every single day for a whole month (if you already do that, then smoke 20 cigarettes every single day for a whole month if you actually already smoke 20 cigarettes every day then... I don't believe you).

Assume that you can legally purchase cigarettes in this scenario regardless of age.

The money will only be paid to you if at the final completion of the task at the end of the month.

Please discuss whether or not you would accept the challenge (as a current non-smoker or smoker) and whether or not you believe you will be able to quit afterwards.

As a non smoker, I would accept the challenge but at the cost of my health for the rest of my life. Quitting and shows of will are not my strength. But I guess that's the price for 2 mil.


As a non smoker, I'd do it. Of course, I wouldn't ACTIVELY smoke the cigarette, but just let it burn as I hold the cigarette in my mouth. When I'd need to take a breath, I'd pull the cigarette from my mouth and turn my head.

Unless in the latest of your wierd hypotheticals, you'd implant a carbon monoxide detector into my lungs.


then you haven't "smoked" the cigarette in the common sense every day meaning of the word

that's simply "lighting" a cigarette
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:14 am

Ifreann wrote:Can I do the one a day for a month, get the money, then start smoking and do the pack a day for month for another two million?


I haven't thought of that (not as it is written for now)

would you though if its a thing?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:14 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Sougra wrote:Well, in my case, it's because I consider smoking to be a drug, and I don't want to do any drugs, combined with it being a religious thing, although smoking is somewhat of an exception, but I don't consider it to be one. Now, yes, there is hypocrisy with the fact that I drink caffeine, but I'm trying to lessen my intake of that as much as I can. There's plenty of good reasons to smoke, and if one considers it to be a moral issue and that prevents them from doing so, then there's no real harm being done.


Whether i slit your throat and take your money from you and get away with it, is a moral issue.

If I could get away with it, Should I steal from the bank, is a moral issue.

Should I light up a cancer stick, is not.


I believe this goes to the, I don't want my actions to enrich the tobacco companies morality

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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:17 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
I haven't thought of that (not as it is written for now)

would you though if its a thing?


I'd do one a day for 2 million, then 10 a day for 2 more, then pack a day for 2 more. I'm basically getting paid six million dollars to live for three months the way my grandmother did for like sixty years.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:25 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Whether i slit your throat and take your money from you and get away with it, is a moral issue.

If I could get away with it, Should I steal from the bank, is a moral issue.

Should I light up a cancer stick, is not.


I believe this goes to the, I don't want my actions to enrich the tobacco companies morality

... ... as a personal choice, I can see that,
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:28 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I believe this goes to the, I don't want my actions to enrich the tobacco companies morality

... ... as a personal choice, I can see that,


I mean it’s mostly a personal principle thing

In practice your individual action has a statistically insignificant effect on the actual profits of such massively powerful organizations

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:32 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Can I do the one a day for a month, get the money, then start smoking and do the pack a day for month for another two million?


I haven't thought of that (not as it is written for now)

would you though if its a thing?

For $4 million? Yeah. Even if I get addicted, with that kind of money I can check myself in to some luxury rehab resort on a tropical island.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:07 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:My family has a history of medical issues that I’d rather not aggravate by smoking. Plus I’d be a dead man if I did. So hard pass


I think you're overestimating the danger of cigarettes. You're not going to get COPD because you once smoked a pack and a half of cigarettes over the course of a month, you're also probably not going to have a fatal asthma attack because of one cigarette.

I know my families medical history. I’d rather not take that risk.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:33 am

Thermodolia wrote:I know my families medical history. I’d rather not take that risk.


It's actually a pretty small risk for a pretty major reward. If you get COPD from smoking one pack of cigarettes it's not a predisposition it's a voodoo cure.
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