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Would you do the challenge for 2 million? Would you be able to quit after?

As a current Non-Smoker, I would do the challenge, then I would easily quit after (easy money, I'm strong)
57
49%
As a current Non-Smoker, I would do the challenge, but I will probably be unable to quit after (2 million for a long time of smoking)
7
6%
As a current Non-Smoker, I would do the challenge, I won't be able to quit but I wouldn't even want to (smoking is cool)
2
2%
As a current Non-Smoker, I wouldn't do the challenge, this is Exploitation and I hope the person offering the money Burns
38
32%
As a current Smoker, I would do the challenge, afterwards I would be able to quit (quitting is easy, I've done it often (and returned))
1
1%
As a current Smoker, I would do the challenge, afterwards, I would continue to smoke 10 to 20 cigarettes every day with a sigh in my heart
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No votes
As a current Smoker, I would do the challenge, however, I think realistically I could go back to my previous smoking quota with effort
5
4%
As a current Smoker, I wouldn't do the challenge, this is Exploitation, I wish the person offering the money would Burn
1
1%
I already smoke 20 cigarettes every day (OP doesn't believe me)
6
5%
 
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:36 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I know my families medical history. I’d rather not take that risk.


It's actually a pretty small risk for a pretty major reward. If you get COPD from smoking one pack of cigarettes it's not a predisposition it's a voodoo cure.

I’m not saying I’d get COPD immediately after but it puts me at a higher risk. That coupled with my family medical history makes it too much risk for a small reward.

No thanks.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:41 am

Fuck no
I still have my sugar addiction from the first time I quit
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:42 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Fuck no
I still have my sugar addiction from the first time I quit

But this way you could have a sugar addiction and loads of money. You could import the finest Colombian sugar.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:43 am

Thermodolia wrote:I’m not saying I’d get COPD immediately after but it puts me at a higher risk. That coupled with my family medical history makes it too much risk for a small reward.

No thanks.


That is insane to me. Long term smoking would put you at a higher risk, one pack just won't do it in the same way you're not going to develop skin cancer from having once been exposed to sunlight. That's an absurdly tiny additional assumption of risk. Do you refuse X-Rays? Do you refuse to get in cars?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:44 am

Ifreann wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Fuck no
I still have my sugar addiction from the first time I quit

But this way you could have a sugar addiction and loads of money. You could import the finest Colombian sugar.

Nah man addiction fucked my life
Every siincr I quit drinking and smoking I went from being likely to die at 30 to 60, I ain’t fucking with that for some money
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I am a girl, damnit
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:45 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I’m not saying I’d get COPD immediately after but it puts me at a higher risk. That coupled with my family medical history makes it too much risk for a small reward.

No thanks.


That is insane to me. Long term smoking would put you at a higher risk, one pack just won't do it in the same way you're not going to develop skin cancer from having once been exposed to sunlight. That's an absurdly tiny additional assumption of risk. Do you refuse X-Rays? Do you refuse to get in cars?

The problem is I doubt the average persons willpower to only smoke one a day
Call me Alex, I insist
I am a girl, damnit
Slut Pride. So like, real talk, I’m a porn actress. We’re not all bimbos. I do not give out my information or videos to avoid conflict with site policy. I’m happy to talk about the industry or my thoughts on the career but I will not be showing you any goodies. Sorry
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Postby Xmara » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:47 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
It's actually a pretty small risk for a pretty major reward. If you get COPD from smoking one pack of cigarettes it's not a predisposition it's a voodoo cure.

I’m not saying I’d get COPD immediately after but it puts me at a higher risk. That coupled with my family medical history makes it too much risk for a small reward.

No thanks.


Not to mention, it’s hard to quit when you start. So even if you don’t get COPD after just one month, if you can’t quit, then you will get COPD.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:48 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:The problem is I doubt the average persons willpower to only smoke one a day


Have someone at an appointed place and time for one month give you a single cigarette.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:50 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:The problem is I doubt the average persons willpower to only smoke one a day


Have someone at an appointed place and time for one month give you a single cigarette.

And then you say fuck that and buy more
You don’t cheat addiction
Call me Alex, I insist
I am a girl, damnit
Slut Pride. So like, real talk, I’m a porn actress. We’re not all bimbos. I do not give out my information or videos to avoid conflict with site policy. I’m happy to talk about the industry or my thoughts on the career but I will not be showing you any goodies. Sorry
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:50 am

Xmara wrote:
Not to mention, it’s hard to quit when you start. So even if you don’t get COPD after just one month, if you can’t quit, then you will get COPD.


It's hard to quit because you develop a physical dependence on nicotine and because using cigarettes is tied to all sorts of behaviors you do. If you're smoking one a day it would be ridiculous for that to happen.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:51 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Xmara wrote:
Not to mention, it’s hard to quit when you start. So even if you don’t get COPD after just one month, if you can’t quit, then you will get COPD.


It's hard to quit because you develop a physical dependence on nicotine and because using cigarettes is tied to all sorts of behaviors you do. If you're smoking one a day it would be ridiculous for that to happen.

Some people have mental illnesses that cause them to get addicted very easily
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:51 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:And then you say fuck that and buy more
You don’t cheat addiction


Have them keep you in a cell. You don't really need to "cheat" addiction you can just avoid developing it or failing that beat it.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:52 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Some people have mental illnesses that cause them to get addicted very easily


If a single pack of cigarettes is enough to get you addicted I say again: voodoo curse.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:53 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Some people have mental illnesses that cause them to get addicted very easily


If a single pack of cigarettes is enough to get you addicted I say again: voodoo curse.

Well then I’m proud of your willpower
Not all of us are blessed
Call me Alex, I insist
I am a girl, damnit
Slut Pride. So like, real talk, I’m a porn actress. We’re not all bimbos. I do not give out my information or videos to avoid conflict with site policy. I’m happy to talk about the industry or my thoughts on the career but I will not be showing you any goodies. Sorry
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Postby Xmara » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:56 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
If a single pack of cigarettes is enough to get you addicted I say again: voodoo curse.

Well then I’m proud of your willpower
Not all of us are blessed


Same here. If I were to start smoking, I wouldn’t be able to stop.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:58 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Well then I’m proud of your willpower
Not all of us are blessed


I don't think it's an issue of willpower, if someone's already addicted that's one thing because your body already has a programmed response and your mind already has a rolodex of associations but we're talking about the one cigarette a day non-smoker challenge. I can't imagine the daily intake of nicotine would be sufficient to create a physical dependence since for all but 30 minutes out of the day you're operating without the drug. There's no way to develop psychological associations because you're only doing one a day, all the "I can't drink coffee/sit in traffic/fight birds without a cigarette" can't happen.
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Malcon
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Postby Malcon » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:00 pm

Hell, I'll do. It sounds fun!

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:12 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Ifreann wrote:But this way you could have a sugar addiction and loads of money. You could import the finest Colombian sugar.

Nah man addiction fucked my life
Every siincr I quit drinking and smoking I went from being likely to die at 30 to 60, I ain’t fucking with that for some money

Bah, valuing your life. That isn't very rock and roll.

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Postby Pope Joan » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:40 pm

I smoked two packs a day, unfiltered, for nine years.

Herbert Tarreyton, Players, Half and Half (yes, the pipe tobacco people), Lucky Strike, English Ovals, Kools.

Unfiltered Kools are only for tobacco addicts; they are nasty.

But I promised that our son would never see me smoke, so on the day he was born I quit. 1974

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:06 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I’m not saying I’d get COPD immediately after but it puts me at a higher risk. That coupled with my family medical history makes it too much risk for a small reward.

No thanks.


That is insane to me. Long term smoking would put you at a higher risk, one pack just won't do it in the same way you're not going to develop skin cancer from having once been exposed to sunlight. That's an absurdly tiny additional assumption of risk. Do you refuse X-Rays? Do you refuse to get in cars?

Actually I try to not go to the doctor if possible.

But it’s not going to be just one cigarette. It’s going to end up being more than that. That’s too high a risk for $2M
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:09 pm

Smoke the cigarettes but don't inhale. Sure, it doesn't completely stop the risk, but it significantly lessens the chances of addiction.
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Postby Trollgaard » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:12 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:...How is this a debate? Even if I wasn't a smoker I would do this!

I smoke about a pack a day anyway, so do what I already do and get 2 million? Yes, please!


Becomes 10 every day for a month as in op

You up for it?


Woudn't it be 2 packs a day instead of 10 packs?

I would do 2 packs a day for month.

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Postby Xmara » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:13 pm

Pope Joan wrote:I smoked two packs a day, unfiltered, for nine years.

Herbert Tarreyton, Players, Half and Half (yes, the pipe tobacco people), Lucky Strike, English Ovals, Kools.

Unfiltered Kools are only for tobacco addicts; they are nasty.

But I promised that our son would never see me smoke, so on the day he was born I quit. 1974

It can be done


1974?

Dang, your son is old enough to be my dad.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:15 pm

The New California Republic wrote:Smoke the cigarettes but don't inhale. Sure, it doesn't completely stop the risk, but it significantly lessens the chances of addiction.

IM said you can’t do that.
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Postby Trollgaard » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:16 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Dazchan wrote:
20-25 cigarettes, depending on the brand and country.


and people really can smoke an entire pack a day?

isn't that insane?


Umm, yes, its easy and delicious.

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