Smoker's Money

[Scomagia]

That's the nature of hypotheticals, dude, and really part of the fun.

that's like saying in the trolley problem:

"well I'll install a machine that will cause both trolleys to stop. YOU NEVER SPECIFIED ITS NOT SET IN A FUTURE WHERE SUCH A THING EXISTS."

there's a difference between a creative and fair solution (ex "I will take the challenge, but conditional on me first undergoing some preliminary Addiction Training with a friend in the police narcs... if I fail that moc training, I'm not touching this) and one clearly meant to violate the spirit of the ethical dilemma

things like:

"I will attack the person and simply steal the 2 million... I will pretend to smoke..."

Yeah no

I don't know, it just seems like you're mad that people aren't playing in your sandbox the way you'd like them to.

[Novus America]

The chances of addiction if you don't inhale are negligible; especially if it is only 1 cigarette a day.

Oh yes, but still there. And although I'm a semi-regular cigar smoker, I would very much like to avoid cigarettes. Just not 2-million-dollars-very-much-like-to-avoid.

Worst case scenario just go e-cigs/vaping if you really cannot give up nicotine.
Which is far less harmful than cigarettes.
Still not great, but in moderation it will not cause much harm.

But with 2 million dollars I could take a month long vacation where I just sleep and stay at home until I get over the addiction.

Or a month long vacation in Bhutan.

I do not find this a difficult question.

Make it ten years of or longer of smoking and then it becomes harder.

[Infected Mushroom]

that's like saying in the trolley problem:

"well I'll install a machine that will cause both trolleys to stop. YOU NEVER SPECIFIED ITS NOT SET IN A FUTURE WHERE SUCH A THING EXISTS."

there's a difference between a creative and fair solution (ex "I will take the challenge, but conditional on me first undergoing some preliminary Addiction Training with a friend in the police narcs... if I fail that moc training, I'm not touching this) and one clearly meant to violate the spirit of the ethical dilemma

things like:

"I will attack the person and simply steal the 2 million... I will pretend to smoke..."

Yeah no

I don't know, it just seems like you're mad that people aren't playing in your sandbox the way you'd like them to.

why walk into a sand box if you only intend on finding ways to disrupt the game?

I'd say, the scenario, on its face, is very clear in terms of what the dilemma/challenge is supposed to be; that ought to act the guiding line for whether something is "cheating" or not

the same baseline rules apply to any other hypothetical

its the difference between saying "I will decide my answer to the Trolley Problem by flipping a coin" vs "I don't have to decide because the scenario never said I don't have psychic powers that can stop both"

one engages with the scenario in a creative out of the box but fair way and in good faith ("I don't have the right to decide, I will let luck decide, that's what's fair to me"), the other doesn't once you take into account the obvious point of the scenario and its intended trade offs

you're meant to engage with the scenario (and in the process show where your priorities lie within the framework)... not engage around the scenario

we're not playing a game of "let's try to undermine the contractual framework" shady intellectual property rights cheating game where both sides keep going "AHA! You never said THIS exactly"

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I literally gag when I so much as smell cigarettes so... nope.

[The Two Jerseys]

that's like saying in the trolley problem:

"well I'll install a machine that will cause both trolleys to stop. YOU NEVER SPECIFIED ITS NOT SET IN A FUTURE WHERE SUCH A THING EXISTS."

there's a difference between a creative and fair solution (ex "I will take the challenge, but conditional on me first undergoing some preliminary Addiction Training with a friend in the police narcs... if I fail that moc training, I'm not touching this) and one clearly meant to violate the spirit of the ethical dilemma

things like:

"I will attack the person and simply steal the 2 million... I will pretend to smoke..."

Yeah no

I don't know, it just seems like you're mad that people aren't playing in your sandbox the way you'd like them to.

Especially when it's been established that one does not need to inhale in order to "smoke".

[Infected Mushroom]

I literally gag when I so much as smell cigarettes so... nope.

is it possible to choke to death on a cigarette? I wonder...

[Infected Mushroom]

Oh yes, but still there. And although I'm a semi-regular cigar smoker, I would very much like to avoid cigarettes. Just not 2-million-dollars-very-much-like-to-avoid.

Worst case scenario just go e-cigs/vaping if you really cannot give up nicotine.
Which is far less harmful than cigarettes.
Still not great, but in moderation it will not cause much harm.

But with 2 million dollars I could take a month long vacation where I just sleep and stay at home until I get over the addiction.

Or a month long vacation in Bhutan.

I do not find this a difficult question.

Make it ten years of or longer of smoking and then it becomes harder.

are e cigs less "fun" then the real deal though for the veteran smoker?

[Scomagia]

I don't know, it just seems like you're mad that people aren't playing in your sandbox the way you'd like them to.

why walk into a sand box if you only intend on finding ways to disrupt the game?

I'd say, the scenario, on its face, is very clear in terms of what the dilemma/challenge is supposed to be; that ought to act the guiding line for whether something is "cheating" or not

the same baseline rules apply to any other hypothetical

its the difference between saying "I will decide my answer to the Trolley Problem by flipping a coin" vs "I don't have to decide because the scenario never said I don't have psychic powers that can stop both"

one engages with the scenario in a creative out of the box but fair way and in good faith ("I don't have the right to decide, I will let luck decide, that's what's fair to me"), the other doesn't once you take into account the obvious point of the scenario and its intended trade offs

you're meant to engage with the scenario (and in the process show where your priorities lie within the framework)... not engage around the scenario

we're not playing a game of "let's try to undermine the contractual framework" shady intellectual property rights cheating game where both sides keep going "AHA! You never said THIS exactly"

Maybe that isn't the game that you are playing but other people seem to quite enjoy playing with the hypothetical in a lateral thinking kind of way. The fact that not everyone wants to engage straight isn't a problem, since plenty of others have been, myself included. You being bothered by people fucking around is legitimately the best part of this thread.

Take it easy, man, or at least just engage with the posters that want to play how you do. I don't really see why you care to nitpick those who aren't playing "fair".

[Thermodolia]

I literally gag when I so much as smell cigarettes so... nope.

You aren’t alone in that regard. I’ve almost thrown up over the smell. I don’t know how people stand them

[Novus America]

Worst case scenario just go e-cigs/vaping if you really cannot give up nicotine.
Which is far less harmful than cigarettes.
Still not great, but in moderation it will not cause much harm.

But with 2 million dollars I could take a month long vacation where I just sleep and stay at home until I get over the addiction.

Or a month long vacation in Bhutan.

I do not find this a difficult question.

Make it ten years of or longer of smoking and then it becomes harder.

are e cigs less "fun" then the real deal though for the veteran smoker?

I would not know honestly, I have not used either.
You would have to ask someone who loved traditional smoke and then went to e-cigs.

But even if they are less fun, I certainly would be able to sacrifice whatever fun I might derive from smoking for my health.

Nicotine addiction is the most difficult part, nicotine withdrawal can result in headaches, fatigue and irritability. E-cigs prevent that.

Though I am pretty sure I could deal with nicotine withdrawal without aids.

I am a very determined person who will tolerate quite a bit of pain to get what I want.

[Infected Mushroom]

are e cigs less "fun" then the real deal though for the veteran smoker?

I would not know honestly, I have not used either.
You would have to ask someone who loved traditional smoke and then went to e-cigs.

But even if they are less fun, I certainly would be able to sacrifice whatever fun I might derive from smoking for my health.

Nicotine addiction is the most difficult part, nicotine withdrawal can result in headaches, fatigue and irritability. E-cigs prevent that.

Though I am pretty sure I could deal with nicotine withdrawal without aids.

I am a very determined person who will tolerate quite a bit of pain to get what I want.

whenever I hear E-Cig I am reminded of the Johnny Depp character from the Tourist, the math teacher from Wisconsin who smoked E cigs

[Ifreann]

As many others have said, I'd simply just hold the smoke in my mouth. I'd take the two million, and after buying a few luxury items invest it. Turn it into 4. Then 8. And so on.

then you ain't really "smoking" it in the ordinary sense of the word

That is smoking. That's how you smoke cigars.

[Infected Mushroom]

does anyone who does smoke pull a De Niro once in a while?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z49xZ7VcfqE

[The Blaatschapen]

It can be one, if one considers their usage of natural resources a moral issue (ie. don't wast resources on a frivolous thing that brings no joy, and is generally harmful). However, 30 cigarettes is negligible. From the 2 million euro, one can easily fund an ecological organization to offset the frivolous use there.

This site estimates that it costs between one dollar and three dollars to plant one tree. Using the middle of the road estimate, you could plant a million trees with that 2 million. I think that is a brilliant trade-off.

How about 5000 trees and I'll keep 1 990 000 euro?

[The New California Republic]

then you ain't really "smoking" it in the ordinary sense of the word

That is smoking. That's how you smoke cigars.

Exactly, and that is exactly how I would complete the challenge in this scenario.

[The New California Republic]

This site estimates that it costs between one dollar and three dollars to plant one tree. Using the middle of the road estimate, you could plant a million trees with that 2 million. I think that is a brilliant trade-off.

How about 5000 trees and I'll keep 1 990 000 euro?

It depends how charitable that you are feeling I guess.

[Idzequitch]

When I was a kid, and the weather would get really cold, I would take a stick as my "cigarette" and then blow, pretending my visible breath was smoke. Other than that, I'm a non-smoker and I believe I always will be.

That said, I have no principles that are diametically opposed to smoking. Obviously I want to protect my health and take care of my body, but non-smoking isn't a hill I would die on. So yes, I woulf gladly take this challenge. (Who is this person who keeps offering me money for making bad decisions? )

Personally, I don't know if one cig a day for 30 days is enough to addict me to them. But what I do know is that I'm frugal as heck, and I'm good at not buying things I don't need. And if I buy no cigarettes, I can't smoke them. So yes, I'd take my money, and I think I'd stop again immediately.

[Infected Mushroom]

When I was a kid, and the weather would get really cold, I would take a stick as my "cigarette" and then blow, pretending my visible breath was smoke. Other than that, I'm a non-smoker and I believe I always will be.

That said, I have no principles that are diametically opposed to smoking. Obviously I want to protect my health and take care of my body, but non-smoking isn't a hill I would die on. So yes, I woulf gladly take this challenge. (Who is this person who keeps offering me money for making bad decisions? )

Personally, I don't know if one cig a day for 30 days is enough to addict me to them. But what I do know is that I'm frugal as heck, and I'm good at not buying things I don't need. And if I buy no cigarettes, I can't smoke them. So yes, I'd take my money, and I think I'd stop again immediately.

its not like sexy food hill am I right? =)

[Lillorainen]

Easy win for me (current smoker - number of cigs per day varies). In fact, I'd wish to be challenged this way. ^^

[The Foxes Swamp]

I have been rolling my own smokes for at least 30 years and the amount varies, last year i was in hospital for 10 days and did not smoke at all during that time, so i could do it easily.

[Gun Manufacturers]

I see that IM has changed the OP. I still wonder how this person making the offer would be able to tell that I didn't inhale the smoke. Is there going to be a carbon monoxide detector or camera surgically implanted into my lungs?

[The Rich Port]

Also, can I just say. I hate it when people call them "ciggies" or "cigs".

They're cigarettes.

Parlez-vous français, enculé? >:C

I kid.

But not really though. I just don't like it. It's probably just my autism.

[NeoOasis]

I'd smoke a pack a week for a month if it meant getting 2 million dollars. Quitting would be easy, though getting the smell off me would be merry hell... still worth it though.

[The Two Jerseys]

I see that IM has changed the OP.

I'm shocked, shocked!

Also, it's not "very obvious" that smoking means inhaling, because as has been pointed out numerous times that just isn't true.

[Infected Mushroom]

I'd smoke a pack a week for a month if it meant getting 2 million dollars. Quitting would be easy, though getting the smell off me would be merry hell... still worth it though.

is it strange that I like the smell of gunpowder but cannot stand the smell of cigarettes?