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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Eh, seems cool on my partial reading of his wiki page, but considering that Judaism is around during his time, I'll stick with the Jews.

They don't want you. Even Jesus said he came for the lost children of Israel.

Apart from the whole thing being a Roman plot to subvert them I mean.

Pagan Trapistan wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Eh, seems cool on my partial reading of his wiki page, but considering that Judaism is around during his time, I'll stick with the Jews.

They don't want you.

I'm talking about if I were in that time period. If was now, I'd stick to being Muslim and probs wouldn't give incense to Caesar.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I'm talking about if I were in that time period. If was now, I'd stick to being Muslim and probs wouldn't give incense to Caesar.

Then you don't really have any loyalty to the state and can't make a good judge unless its a Sharia court.

Also youre an atheist that doesn't believe in the gods.

Pagan Trapistan wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I'm talking about if I were in that time period. If was now, I'd stick to being Muslim and probs wouldn't give incense to Caesar.

Then you don't really have any loyalty to the state and can't make a good judge unless its a Sharia court.

Correct.

Pagan Trapistan wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I'm talking about if I were in that time period. If was now, I'd stick to being Muslim and probs wouldn't give incense to Caesar.

Then you don't really have any loyalty to the state and can't make a good judge unless its a Sharia court.

Also youre an atheist that doesn't believe in the gods.

Idolatry =/= Loyalty to the homeland

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Correct.

At least he admits it, the Christians deceitfully pretend they belong in a secular court.

Pagan Trapistan wrote:Also youre an atheist that doesn't believe in the gods.

Please read my sig. And this.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Please read my sig.

Ok, psuedo-atheist that believes only in the god of the jews.

Pagan Trapistan wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Correct.

At least he admits it, the Christians deceitfully pretend they belong in a secular court.

I didn't say anything about Christians. And you need to stop stereotyping.

Pagan Trapistan wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Please read my sig.

Ok, psuedo-atheist that believes only in the god of the jews.

I'm not an atheist at all.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Pagan Trapistan wrote:Also youre an atheist that doesn't believe in the gods.

Please read my sig. And this.

He is referring to the saying

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”

(or similar - it is quite common)

Camelone wrote:Idolatry =/= Loyalty to the homeland

Idolatatry is just a Christian scareword. No one believes the statues are actually the gods.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Pagan Trapistan wrote:Ok, psuedo-atheist that believes only in the god of the jews.

I'm not an atheist at all.

El-Amin I would recommend stop responding it appears they are not discussing with good faith or they just have a rather odd way of viewing the world.

The Alma Mater wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Please read my sig. And this.

He is referring to the saying

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”

(or similar - it is quite common)

Ok, but that quote isn't right. That's not what atheism is.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I'm not an atheist at all.

Do you believe in the gods?

Pagan Trapistan wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I'm not an atheist at all.

Do you believe in the gods?

No. I'm not polytheistic.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

The Alma Mater wrote:
He is referring to the saying

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”

(or similar - it is quite common)

Ok, but that quote isn't right. That's not what atheism is.

Well,it is somewhat true. You are atheistic to Thor, Vishnu, Zeus and the flying spaghetti monster.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:No. I'm not polytheistic.

So you go to India and theres tons of spiritual shit going on and its dead to you?

Just trying to get a handle on this not-an-atheist thing.

Pagan Trapistan wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:No. I'm not polytheistic.

So you go to India and theres tons of spiritual sh*t going on and its dead to you?

This isn't the thread for this. And since I don't think there is a thread made that's relevant to this, I'll just telegram you.

You can argue this is a religious test. I get where you're coming from. I argue that this is the questioning of people's beliefs instead. Unless I miss my guess, not every Catholic believes that abortion is wrong, even if a majority does. I do think that the questions listed could have been asked better, but I don't see it as a religious test. I do think this could descend into blatant religious testing very easily, and so needs to be watched carefully, but for now the questions seem to be "do you believe in x like most Catholics?" rather than "are you a Catholic?".

Publica wrote:I do think this could descend into blatant religious testing very easily, and so needs to be watched carefully, but for now the questions seem to be "do you believe in x like most Catholics?" rather than "are you a Catholic?".

Yes, the state should work with discriminating catholics until we can get the Roman festivals going again and get people actually loyal to the state.

Pagan Trapistan wrote:

Publica wrote:I do think this could descend into blatant religious testing very easily, and so needs to be watched carefully, but for now the questions seem to be "do you believe in x like most Catholics?" rather than "are you a Catholic?".

Yes, the state should work with discriminating catholics until we can get the Roman festivals going again and get people actually loyal to the state.

Which Roman festivals? And why should Catholics be discriminated against?

Publica wrote:You can argue this is a religious test. I get where you're coming from. I argue that this is the questioning of people's beliefs instead. Unless I miss my guess, not every Catholic believes that abortion is wrong, even if a majority does. I do think that the questions listed could have been asked better, but I don't see it as a religious test. I do think this could descend into blatant religious testing very easily, and so needs to be watched carefully, but for now the questions seem to be "do you believe in x like most Catholics?" rather than "are you a Catholic?".

Questions should more revolve around the judicial philosophy of the individual judge then whether or not they believe x, y, or z of their particular church. Plus examining their previous rulings instead of bringing up the candidates religion is more efficient then beating around the bush, the previous rulings are more important anyways than these questions as they show how the judge operates and thinks in their role as a judge.

Pagan Trapistan wrote:

Publica wrote:I do think this could descend into blatant religious testing very easily, and so needs to be watched carefully, but for now the questions seem to be "do you believe in x like most Catholics?" rather than "are you a Catholic?".

Yes, the state should work with discriminating catholics until we can get the Roman festivals going again and get people actually loyal to the state.

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not. Or if you think I believe that's what we should do.

Camelone wrote:

Publica wrote:You can argue this is a religious test. I get where you're coming from. I argue that this is the questioning of people's beliefs instead. Unless I miss my guess, not every Catholic believes that abortion is wrong, even if a majority does. I do think that the questions listed could have been asked better, but I don't see it as a religious test. I do think this could descend into blatant religious testing very easily, and so needs to be watched carefully, but for now the questions seem to be "do you believe in x like most Catholics?" rather than "are you a Catholic?".

Questions should more revolve around the judicial philosophy of the individual judge then whether or not they believe x, y, or z of their particular church. Plus examining their previous rulings instead of bringing up the candidates religion is more efficient then beating around the bush, the previous rulings are more important anyways than these questions as they show how the judge operates and thinks in their role as a judge.

I agree, but no one would bat an eye if an atheist was asked if they agreed with abortion or not, when questioned before becoming a judge, would they?

Publica wrote:You can argue this is a religious test. I get where you're coming from. I argue that this is the questioning of people's beliefs instead. Unless I miss my guess, not every Catholic believes that abortion is wrong, even if a majority does. I do think that the questions listed could have been asked better, but I don't see it as a religious test. I do think this could descend into blatant religious testing very easily, and so needs to be watched carefully, but for now the questions seem to be "do you believe in x like most Catholics?" rather than "are you a Catholic?".

The implicit assumption is that if you hold the beliefs of most Catholics your ability to make an impartial ruling on those matters is compromised. That's an asinine assumption. Judges aren't supposed to rule based on personal belief but, rather, based on the Constitution and existing jurisprudence. The idea that being a traditional catholic impairs your ability to do that is blatant bigotry.