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by Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:27 pm
by Major-Tom » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:37 pm
by Petrolheadia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:24 am
The Emerald Legion wrote:Petrolheadia wrote:Discrimination isn't always bad.
For example, blind people don't have much of a chance as marksmen, and people for whom the word of whichever god they believe in may override facts shouldn't have much of a chance as politicians.
Nonsensical. You could make the same argument about literally any point of view.
by The Eternal Aulus » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:39 am
by Pagan Trapistan » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:43 am
Major-Tom wrote:That being said, I think it's perfectly acceptable to be devout, to be religious, and to be a federal or district judge.
by The Eternal Aulus » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:47 am
by Pagan Trapistan » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:52 am
The Eternal Aulus wrote:Being religious doesn't have to imply you cannot leave your religion inside your home.
by The Eternal Aulus » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:53 am
by Pagan Trapistan » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:56 am
The Eternal Aulus wrote:That's debatable, but my point is that a religious person can perfectly be a public servant like a federal or district judge.
by The Eternal Aulus » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:58 am
Pagan Trapistan wrote:Sure, if they keep it to themselves and their job doesn't require a judgement on justice that hasnt been totally warped.
by Pagan Trapistan » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:30 am
The Eternal Aulus wrote:Thank you for supporting my point.
by Salus Maior » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:25 am
by Salus Maior » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:29 am
Conserative Morality wrote:Hakons wrote:The Church gives considerable leeway on how Catholic politicians may vote, but I do agree that it is regrettable that Church discipline isn't used when "Catholic" politicians vote against philosophy that is fundamental to being Catholic. You also absurdly shifted to Church policy, which makes for a nice game of dodging.
"I regret that Church discipline isn't used to make public officials violate their oaths of office and the laws of the land because it makes me feel better"
Thank you for revealing your true colors for everyone to see. You're a caricature of a Catholic right out of the mid-1850s.Questioning Catholic beliefs is a religious test against Catholicism. The nominee didn't renounce them so the senator didn't for him. A nominee cannot be required to renounce religious beliefs before congress.
Okay, like I said then, can't wait until we get ourselves a nice evangie who believes that Catholics are literally Satan and heretics and should be killed, and questioning that will be verboten, because it's a religious belief. You can't make someone renounce wanting to kill people. That's religion, and that's protected.
by Salus Maior » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:31 am
by Conserative Morality » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:37 am
Salus Maior wrote:Believing in the Catholic teachings toward abortion and marriage are nowhere near genocide and murder, obviously.
by Conserative Morality » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:38 am
Salus Maior wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:But public officials can only vote according to the will of the Church.
Know Nothing Party, is that you?
by Elysian Kentarchy » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:59 am
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Hakons wrote:The founders were obviously secular, but if you would actually read them you would realize they have a deep respect for religion, with nearly all of them being religious themselves.Hakons wrote:The founders were definitely liberal, but you and I both know liberalism had a different meaning, at least policy wise. As an example, today's liberals want to constrict gun ownership while yesteryear's placed gun ownership as important as free speech and religious freedom. To say the founders obviously supported democracy is probably the grossest claim here. They supported republicanism, with representative government. Many of them wrote quite a lot against the perceived mob rule of democracy.
The founders were classical liberals, and that is not a legacy being upheld by conservatives, save for gun rights. The founders might have occasionally mentioned god, but they were hardly uncritical of Christianity's doctrines.Thomas Jefferson wrote:Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.Thomas Jefferson wrote:In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814Thomas Jefferson wrote:History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.
-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.
These are not the words of a man who was devoted in any way to religion. There are also other anti-religious quotes from other founding fathers.
Skarten wrote:USS Monitor wrote:For the most part, this trend is just a sign of improving the balance of power between Christians and everyone else. Christians (as a group, not necessarily every individual personally) have been shitting on everyone else in America since before the US even existed, and it's a good thing that people are starting to push back more.
There may be a few isolated cases where someone takes it too far, same as there are isolated cases where some racial minority with a chip on their shoulder violates the rights of white people. But those cases are less common than the ones where someone is just overreacting when they are asked to respect others' rights.
Asking someone about their religious beliefs should not be off-limits when choosing judges. People shouldn't be rejected just because they go to church or identify as a particular denomination, but there are legitimate reasons to talk about someone's beliefs and their willingness to keep their religious beliefs separate from their application of the law.
EDIT: From your OP:
Here's a case where someone was confirmed anyway. That's kind of what I mean, where you can discuss someone's religious beliefs and affiliations and how it might influence their rulings, but it shouldn't mean everyone that has a religion is disqualified.
I'm not American so i may be wrong, but when did catholics hold any Power like that in America?
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by Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:17 am
Elysian Kentarchy wrote:Pagan Trapistan wrote:That's exactly where Christianity says it belongs.
"He said to them, 'Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.'" Mark 16:15
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." Matthew 28: 19-20
"For this is what the Lord has commanded us: 'I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.'" - Acts 13:47
"Give praise to the Lord, proclaim his name; make known among the nations what he has done." - Psalm 105:1
"'Come, follow me,' Jesus said, 'and I will send you out to fish for people.'" - Matthew 4:19
So pretty much we say the exact opposite according to the scriptures.
by Aellex » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:19 am
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Elysian Kentarchy wrote:
"He said to them, 'Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.'" Mark 16:15
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." Matthew 28: 19-20
"For this is what the Lord has commanded us: 'I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.'" - Acts 13:47
"Give praise to the Lord, proclaim his name; make known among the nations what he has done." - Psalm 105:1
"'Come, follow me,' Jesus said, 'and I will send you out to fish for people.'" - Matthew 4:19
So pretty much we say the exact opposite according to the scriptures.
Render Unto Caesar's.
There you go!
by Salus Maior » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:42 am
Conserative Morality wrote:Salus Maior wrote:Believing in the Catholic teachings toward abortion and marriage are nowhere near genocide and murder, obviously.
So it's okay to use religion as a guiding point for the actions of public officials, unless it's something you don't like.
You're missing the principle of the matter, which is why I used an extreme example.
by Salus Maior » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:48 am
by Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:52 am
by Sovaal » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:53 am
by Salus Maior » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:54 am
Conserative Morality wrote:
Literally advocating for the Catholic Church and its apparatus to punish politicians who share their religion to vote how the Church wants them to is exactly what the Know-Nothings feared, which is why I said Hakons sounded like a mid-19th century Catholic caricature.
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