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A Hypothetical Re Aqua Man

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:29 pm
by Infected Mushroom
Please consider the following hypothetical:

This is heavily based on the DC movie but the facts are not the same:

The city of Atlantis is underwater and its real; it is populated by underwater superhumans ruled by a king and possesses technology far more advanced that anything Surface Dwellers (the people on the surface of Earth) have.

You are one of these superhuman Atlanteans in this hypothetical.

For thousands of years the Atlanteans have pursued a policy of Non-Contact with Surface Dwellers. However, in light of increasing maritime pollution, overfishing, global warming, and other environmental disasters caused by the Surface Dwellers... there are increasing calls that something be done about it. If the environmental destruction continues, then eventually even Atlantis will be doomed.

The Surface Dwellers do not know it, but in fact, they are about 2-3 decades from causing complete planetary destruction.

At this critical juncture in history there is a civil war for control of the Atlantean throne. The two contenders represent two different ideologies with how to deal with the Surface Dweller Environmental Problem.

Pay close attention because the Discussion Point will be: Assuming you MUST support one of these two factions vying for the throne, who do you back and why?

Contender 1: Ocean Master

Ocean Master believes that war with the Surface is the only way to ensure the environmental safety of Atlantis and the planet.

"THE TIME FOR TALK IS OVER"

Ocean Master will use Atlantis' overwhelmingly superior technology to wage war against the Surface, killing millions-billions of humans if necessary. Despite the Surface Dwellers being more numerous, Atlantis will win due to overwhelmingly superior technology (in fact, it is expected that only a dozen Atlanteans will be killed for every billion Surface casualty if even that). At the war's conclusion, the Surface will be forced to follow very harsh (but necessary) pro-environmental peace terms like a ban on commercial fishing, extremely strict emissions reduction targets, and materials restrictions. This will save the planet.

Contender 2: Aqua Man

Aqua Man agrees with Ocean Master that the Surface Dwellers cannot by themselves be entrusted to advert environmental catastrophe in time. However, he wants to take a more liberal approach than his adversary. His slogan is:

"J-eese SH-urface 'Wellers are a PRIMITIVE Ray-sHHHHHHH.... but perhapSH jay can be... eh-JOOH-gayted" (translation: "these surface dwellers are a primitive race... but perhaps they can be... educated")

Aquaman suggests that instead of waging war against the Surface, Atlantis instead make contact with the Surface, educate the Surface about the true depravity of their actions, and then share Atlantis' advanced technology with the Surface. After which, once the Surface becomes "enlightened" they can be peacefully guided towards being stewards rather the foes of the planet. There is however one major risk with Aqua Man's plan: once the Surface Dwellers have some of Atlantis' technology, they may be able to use it to catch up to Atlantis or in some way become a much greater threat to Atlantis. While Atlantis has superior technology, it can be reverse engineered with ease. If a war then breaks out, the Surface might win. Obviously another risk is that if the humans DON'T listen or work together in time, in 2-3 decades we are all dead.

...

Which side do you support (assuming that these are the only two factions and you cannot stay neutral)? Why? Provide your justification.

Ocean Master. It is time for war. The time for talk is over. Aqua Man's plan sounds too risky, the Surface Dwellers may turn against us.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:38 pm
by Olthar
I'll vote for option 2 because how can you say no to Jason Momoa? He threatens to turn me straight.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:00 am
by Cetacea
why does Aqaman sound like Sean Connery in my head?

anyway because I'm an Atlantean I vote Ocean Master go for it,
I'm going to kick back in the south pacific with some coconut toddy, mussels, seaweed and mercury loaded Tuna steaks

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:39 am
by Wunderstrafanstalt
Considering my responsibility will be for the Atlanteans, I'm going the Ocean Master route. But it's not like I'm going to massacre half of the world's poor or something - being technologically advanced, I can definitely limit casualty and then establish a and proclaim myself the benevolent emperor of the new world order.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:37 am
by Infected Mushroom
Cetacea wrote:why does Aqaman sound like Sean Connery in my head?


:)

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:34 am
by Ifreann
Infected Mushroom wrote:"J-eese SH-urface 'Wellers are a PRIMITIVE Ray-sHHHHHHH.... but perhapSH jay can be... eh-JOOH-gayted" (translation: "these surface dwellers are a primitive race... but perhaps they can be... educated")

Man, what do you have against Jason Momoa?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:42 am
by The Grims
Option 1 of course. Thousands of years of human history have already shown that humans will immediately try to slaughter us Aquas when given the weapons.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:56 am
by The New California Republic
Seduce Aquaman and educate him in the ways of humanity, or at least the homoerotic ways of humanity. I might need to get used to the smell of fish though...

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:52 am
by Risottia
Infected Mushroom wrote:Which side do you support

I support the surface dwellers. Their "inferior technology" is so superior that even by using it while meaning no harm to Atlanteans they're already destroying Atlantis. Like this. Casually. Without even knowing it exists. While the Atlanteans cannot even protect themselves from a bit of pollution.
Just imagine what the surface dwellers could actually DO if they knew there were an enemy city bent on killing them all. Like, dunno, dropping five-hundred megaton-range nukes from orbit on Atlantis and turning the seafloor into trinitite.

The Atlanteans are xenos. Purge them.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:57 am
by Risottia
Ifreann wrote:Man, what do you have against Jason Momoa?

A VA-111 for when he's underwater and an aerosol spray for when he's on dry or wet land.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:59 am
by The New California Republic
Risottia wrote:Just imagine what the surface dwellers could actually DO if they knew there were an enemy city bent on killing them all. Like, dunno, dropping five-hundred megaton-range nukes from orbit on Atlantis and turning the seafloor into trinitite.

NATO also has nuclear depth charges in its inventory for killing submarines. Throw a few of those down there for good measure.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:02 am
by Ifreann
Risottia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Which side do you support

I support the surface dwellers. Their "inferior technology" is so superior that even by using it while meaning no harm to Atlanteans they're already destroying Atlantis. Like this. Casually. Without even knowing it exists. While the Atlanteans cannot even protect themselves from a bit of pollution.
Just imagine what the surface dwellers could actually DO if they knew there were an enemy city bent on killing them all. Like, dunno, dropping five-hundred megaton-range nukes from orbit on Atlantis and turning the seafloor into trinitite.

The Atlanteans are xenos. Purge them.

How are they xenos? They live on Earth.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:06 am
by The Galactic Liberal Democracy
Aqua man saved a Russian military submarine from Americans.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:22 am
by The New California Republic
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Aqua man saved a Russian military submarine from Americans.

All the more reason to break out the nuclear depth charges.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:29 am
by Ifreann
The New California Republic wrote:
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Aqua man saved a Russian military submarine from Americans.

All the more reason to break out the nuclear depth charges.

Preventing war? This means war.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:31 am
by The New California Republic
Ifreann wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:All the more reason to break out the nuclear depth charges.

Preventing war? This means war.

Don't worry, I don't really mean it, Aquaman is my beau after all...

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:32 am
by Risottia
Ifreann wrote:How are they xenos? They live on Earth.

They live on the wrong part of the planet, are different from Homo Sapiens, and oppose the Empire of Man.

...

Heretic.


The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Aqua man saved a Russian military submarine from Americans.

Capitalist lies. Russian soobs don't need no Aqvaman.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:33 am
by Ifreann
The New California Republic wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Preventing war? This means war.

Don't worry, I don't really mean it, Aquaman is my beau after all...

I wonder if Atlantis has gay marriage. You could be the Prince Philip of Atlantis, but younger and less embarrassing.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:37 am
by Holy Tedalonia
Ifreann wrote:
Risottia wrote:I support the surface dwellers. Their "inferior technology" is so superior that even by using it while meaning no harm to Atlanteans they're already destroying Atlantis. Like this. Casually. Without even knowing it exists. While the Atlanteans cannot even protect themselves from a bit of pollution.
Just imagine what the surface dwellers could actually DO if they knew there were an enemy city bent on killing them all. Like, dunno, dropping five-hundred megaton-range nukes from orbit on Atlantis and turning the seafloor into trinitite.

The Atlanteans are xenos. Purge them.

How are they xenos? They live on Earth.

Xenos = alien

Alien = Foreigner

Trespassing foreigner = Illegal

Wait, there illegal aliens... I don’t think purging them is a problem ;)

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:37 am
by The Grims
Risottia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:How are they xenos? They live on Earth.

They live on the wrong part of the planet, are different from Homo Sapiens, and oppose the Empire of Man.

...

Heretic.


But what if they are hot ?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:45 am
by Risottia
The Grims wrote:
Risottia wrote:They live on the wrong part of the planet, are different from Homo Sapiens, and oppose the Empire of Man.

...

Heretic.


But what if they are hot ?

Once it's been heated to 5000 K, everything's hot.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:53 am
by Ifreann
Wait, is the villain in the Aquaman movie Ocean Master? I thought it was Black Manta...

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:58 am
by Ithreland
Ifreann wrote:Wait, is the villain in the Aquaman movie Ocean Master? I thought it was Black Manta...


Bit of both. Ocean Master gives Black Manta some tech.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:58 am
by The Galactic Liberal Democracy
Risottia wrote:
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Aqua man saved a Russian military submarine from Americans.

Capitalist lies. Russian soobs don't need no Aqvaman.

Okay, I’ll fix it. Aqua man attempted to assist the cornered Russians from being killed, but they didn’t need the help.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:00 am
by Ifreann
Ithreland wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Wait, is the villain in the Aquaman movie Ocean Master? I thought it was Black Manta...


Bit of both. Ocean Master gives Black Manta some tech.

Ah, cool.