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Ocean Master ("THE TIME FOR TALK IS OVER!")
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Aqua Man ("...perhapSH jay can be... eh-JOOH-gayted")
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:35 pm

Olthar wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I'm pretty sure Al-Islam exists

Not as far as the isolationist Atlanteans know of which you are one in the hypothetical this thread is about.

Yeah, I think that barring a shipload of Korans happening to sink right next to Atlantis as I mentioned, which is highly unlikely, I think that the Atlanteans will have never been exposed to Islam. It's even doubtful that they will have been exposed to any religion for that matter, except for religions that may have originated in Atlantis itself.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:36 pm

Olthar wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:1: I wasn't preaching, I was giving hypotheticals, aka using my imagination like I told you to do
2: I'm pretty sure Al-Islam exists

1: Hypotheticals that are irrelevant to the one IM presented and which this thread is about.
2: Not as far as the isolationist Atlanteans know of which you are one in the hypothetical this thread is about.

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Postby Olthar » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:38 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Olthar wrote:1: Hypotheticals that are irrelevant to the one IM presented and which this thread is about.
2: Not as far as the isolationist Atlanteans know of which you are one in the hypothetical this thread is about.

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That is the laziest non-response I've ever seen.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:39 pm

Olthar wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Have.
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That is the laziest non-response I've ever seen.

I'm being funny, sheesh.
This whole thread is based on something fictional, you're taking the fun out of it.
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Postby Olthar » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:45 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Olthar wrote:That is the laziest non-response I've ever seen.

I'm being funny, sheesh.
This whole thread is based on something fictional, you're taking the fun out of it.

Ah, yes. How could I forget that emphasizing individual words with periods is a trademark of the comedic tone rather than an indicator of frustration. :roll:
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:46 pm

Olthar wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I'm being funny, sheesh.
This whole thread is based on something fictional, you're taking the fun out of it.

Ah, yes. How could I forget that emphasizing individual words with periods is a trademark of the comedic tone rather than an indicator of frustration. :roll:

Oh, I thought it could be used for emphasis, not just frustration.
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Postby Olthar » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:48 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Olthar wrote:Ah, yes. How could I forget that emphasizing individual words with periods is a trademark of the comedic tone rather than an indicator of frustration. :roll:

Oh, I thought it could be used for emphasis, not just frustration.

Literally the only time I've ever seen it done in a comedy is when the designated straight man gets frustrated by the wacky antics of the clown.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:50 pm

Olthar wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Oh, I thought it could be used for emphasis, not just frustration.

Literally the only time I've ever seen it done in a comedy is when the designated straight man gets frustrated by the wacky antics of the clown.

Hm. Well sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Postby Cetacea » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:33 pm

New haven america wrote:
Ifreann wrote:How are they xenos? They live on Earth.

Ackshuallly, in most of the comics they're alien colonists that came to Earth usually shortly after the KT Event and continued to evolve alongside humans.


No they’re not, they’re a human offshoot who used advanced science and magic to make themselves amphibious

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Postby New haven america » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:22 pm

Cetacea wrote:
New haven america wrote:Ackshuallly, in most of the comics they're alien colonists that came to Earth usually shortly after the KT Event and continued to evolve alongside humans.


No they’re not, they’re a human offshoot who used advanced science and magic to make themselves amphibious

I'm looking at both the DC Wiki and Wikipedia, both are saying they were originally alien pilgrims. (Both New and Prime Earth sources)

However, there are multiple universes and timelines, maybe you're thinking of another one?
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:32 pm

New haven america wrote:
Ifreann wrote:How are they xenos? They live on Earth.

Ackshuallly, in most of the comics they're alien colonists that came to Earth usually shortly after the KT Event and continued to evolve alongside humans.

The nerve of them.

Well, time to purge the seas.


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Olthar wrote:1: Hypotheticals that are irrelevant to the one IM presented and which this thread is about.
2: Not as far as the isolationist Atlanteans know of which you are one in the hypothetical this thread is about.

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This from the person who refuses to even conceive of not being Muslim.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:34 pm

Ifreann wrote:
New haven america wrote:Ackshuallly, in most of the comics they're alien colonists that came to Earth usually shortly after the KT Event and continued to evolve alongside humans.

The nerve of them.

Well, time to purge the seas.


El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Have.
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This from the person who refuses to even conceive of not being Muslim.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:55 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The nerve of them.

Well, time to purge the seas.



This from the person who refuses to even conceive of not being Muslim.

:?:

You'll only imagine being Atlantean if you can imagine being Muslim, somehow.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:41 pm

Ifreann wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote::?:

You'll only imagine being Atlantean if you can imagine being Muslim, somehow.

Says who? I just answered OP's hypothetical, idk you're making more out of this.

I also wanna know why making myself a Muslim Atlantean means I can only imagine this.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:33 pm

I posted this in a comic book forum to see what happens... and these replies might be of interest:

...If DC's Atlantis truly thought out an attack on the surface world (on our Earth, not some comic book Earth where superhumans live), their victory would be all but an inevitable conclusion. I'll explain: Just the idea of Aquaman using the Trident of Neptune maliciously would allow him the ability to flood entire nation states and submerge both coasts of the US and Canada (as an example) in a matter of moments. The carnage and civil unrest alone would be enough to keep National Guard and Red Cross-type organizations too busy too be involved in the actual warfare (and the Atlantean Army hasn't even surfaced to engage the land troops yet). Via telepathy, King Orin could forbid all of the world's leaders to NOT retaliate via nuclear strikes, thus taking their most potent weapon systems completely off the table. He could further turn the citizens the surface world into docile servants by weaponizing the citizens of Thierna Na Oge, an Atlantean City-State populated by powerful mystics in possession of even more powerful mystical artifacts as well as over 85% of the city's population being strong telepaths (as demonstrated during the Millennium Giants saga).

In the comic book universe(s), their success is an easy 50/50 shot considering how many differing superpowered beings of different power levels exist there to stand against them. But here, in the "real world", we would have no defense against magical weapons, the super-advanced technology of the Atlanteans, and certainly not the telepathic assault of more than 20,000 Class 2 (or slightly higher) level telepaths with bad intentions.

We'd be helpless and conquered in days. Those of us who don't get liquidated in the opening offensive, that is....


Because firing nuclear missiles at an unknown target somewhere in some ocean is viable strategy in what way?

The U.S. military, much less any other military, has been utterly unable to even notice Atlantean ship presence or movements at all.

Atlantis launches a major assault on Boston after a major naval vessel is capsized and none of the early warning systems of NORAD even notice.

All Atlantis needs to do is strike first and cause chaos that ends international trade. Obviously this isn't DC militaries... if you did I'd just say Wraith looks at the ocean and incinerates Atlantis, following up with black hole lasers erasing it from existence.

The militaries of the actual world are as glass cannon as it gets against forces that eliminate the usefulness of air superiority and/or naval superiority
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:35 pm

New haven america wrote:
Risottia wrote:I support the surface dwellers. Their "inferior technology" is so superior that even by using it while meaning no harm to Atlanteans they're already destroying Atlantis. Like this. Casually. Without even knowing it exists. While the Atlanteans cannot even protect themselves from a bit of pollution.
Just imagine what the surface dwellers could actually DO if they knew there were an enemy city bent on killing them all. Like, dunno, dropping five-hundred megaton-range nukes from orbit on Atlantis and turning the seafloor into trinitite.

The Atlanteans are xenos. Purge them.

Uh... watch this.

Long story short: Not very fucking much. Hell, humanity wasn't even their main target in the story.


LOL all of Europe was easily just sunk
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:40 pm

Normally I'd be a bit annoyed that you're all trying to think of ways to destroy Atlantis instead of actually engaging with the choices presented (the scenario was obviously intended for you to be an Atlantean looking out for Atlantis/the planet as a whole... not for you to wipe out Atlantis and then continue to pollute until we are all dead in 2-3 decades).

But let's be real here... this scenario is inherently a bit too ridiculous

AQUA MAN??????? OCEAN MASTER?

The former sounds like a tooth paste (Aquafresh anyone?). And Ocean Master? Is that a rock band? These characters are OLD and honestly, quite cheesy, and even in the names it shows. In 2019 there is no way someone would say, "hey let's make a new movie, 100% completely original... titled AQUA MAN (except that there's already such a comic)."

For God's sake superhumans in ATLANTIS??????

Yes this is 100% a fun discussion/joke thread. But yeah, if you ask the DC people, they'd say "nukes wouldn't work" and then invoke all kinds of strange magical super weapons like this Trident or Crown of the Sea thing? I don't even know what those are.

But apparently every time in the comics/cartoons Aquaman turns bad, he's able to effortlessly sink entire continents and human attempts to nuke never work. Take that as you will.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:43 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:"J-eese SH-urface 'Wellers are a PRIMITIVE Ray-sHHHHHHH.... but perhapSH jay can be... eh-JOOH-gayted" (translation: "these surface dwellers are a primitive race... but perhaps they can be... educated")

Man, what do you have against Jason Momoa?


Nothing. I just have a hard time taking Aqua Man seriously.

On New Year we watched it but I had a very hard time taking it seriously and found the whole thing excessively amusing; but I don't know, maybe it was because I was drinking tons of red wine while watching it but the whole thing just reached parody levels of craziness
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Postby Publica » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:59 am

Assuming all I knew of the surface world was the fact they were polluting the oceans and killing the planet? Make peaceful contact, at least at first. We can always go to war later if we want, as long as we don't give them all our super advanced tech.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:11 am

Publica wrote:Assuming all I knew of the surface world was the fact they were polluting the oceans and killing the planet? Make peaceful contact, at least at first. We can always go to war later if we want, as long as we don't give them all our super advanced tech.


I see...
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:03 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:"nukes wouldn't work"

The functional kind or North Korea’s?
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:17 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:every time in the comics/cartoons Aquaman turns bad, he's able to effortlessly sink entire continents and human attempts to nuke never work.

In the absence of a source for that deus ex machina:

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Postby Caracasus » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:24 am

What does Atlantis' society look like? Need to know before I make a call on this.
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:27 am

Caracasus wrote:What does Atlantis' society look like? Need to know before I make a call on this.

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Postby Alvecia » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:30 am

The history of DC Comics Atlantis is actually wacky as fuck
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