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E.U. Imposes Sanctions on Iran Over Assassination Plots

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:52 pm
by Sneudal
The European Union penalized Iran on Tuesday over allegations that the country’s intelligence service orchestrated a series of assassination plots in Europe in recent years, including the killing of two Iranians in the Netherlands with ties to anti-government extremist groups.

In a letter outlining its justification for sanctions, the Dutch Foreign Ministry cited “strong indications that Iran was involved in the assassinations of two Dutch nationals of Iranian origin,” one in 2015 in the city of Almere and another in 2017 in The Hague.

European intelligence officials have also linked the Iranian government to unsuccessful plots in Denmark and France.

“In the Dutch government’s opinion, hostile acts of this kind flagrantly violate the sovereignty of the Netherlands and are unacceptable,” the letter said.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/world/europe/iran-eu-sanctions.html
https://www.france24.com/en/20190109-eu-sanctions-iran-over-assassinations-peoples-mujahedeen-france-bomb-plot

What do you think of this? Do you think it is the right move of the E.U.?

Personally i don't think it's right. Ofcourse Iran wants justice done to them, and it knows very well that the E.U. won't extradite them due to the death penalty, and thus they choose to take them out in another way. Now surely assassinating other people on foreign soil (or home soil for that matter) is not okay, but what i find far worse is the fact that the E.U. is harboring, and now also effectively protecting well known terrorists.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:53 pm
by Deutschess Kaiserreich
I wonder how the Iranians will react to this. What will their excuse be this time?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:56 pm
by Sneudal
Deutschess Kaiserreich wrote:I wonder how the Iranians will react to this. What will their excuse be this time?


None really.

In response, Iran’s foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, did not deny the allegations, but accused European countries in a Twitter post of harboring militants from the Mujahedeen Khalq, or M.E.K., a group that seeks the violent overthrow of the Iranian government.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:58 pm
by Bombadil
Sweet, we now live in a world where we accept governments killing people anywhere they like because, really, there's nothing anyone can do to really stop them.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:13 pm
by The Liberated Territories
Iran has incredible plot power.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:17 pm
by Greater Germany
Bombadil wrote:Sweet, we now live in a world where we accept governments killing people anywhere they like because, really, there's nothing anyone can do to really stop them.

Now?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:48 pm
by Sneudal
Bombadil wrote:Sweet, we now live in a world where we accept governments killing people anywhere they like because, really, there's nothing anyone can do to really stop them.


Haven't we been doing that since like always?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:56 pm
by Bombadil
Sneudal wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Sweet, we now live in a world where we accept governments killing people anywhere they like because, really, there's nothing anyone can do to really stop them.


Haven't we been doing that since like always?


Well sure, but not generally so brazenly and for the general public to be so blasé about it.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:23 pm
by Sneudal
Bombadil wrote:
Sneudal wrote:
Haven't we been doing that since like always?


Well sure, but not generally so brazenly and for the general public to be so blasé about it.


Eh, have you already forgotten about the U.S. (and many other countries) hunting down terrorists in (among others) the Middle-East, or Israel hunting down scientists who happen to work for countries of which the names start with 'Ira'? Or does the Middle-East not belong to that world you were talking about?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:25 pm
by Myrensis
Stop being dumb Iran. Trump is giving you perfect cover to lay low and make nice with Europe as the reasonable ones being put upon by a flailing man-child who wants to look tough. Is picking off a few dissident ex-pats really more important than normalizing trade and economic cooperation with Europe?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:29 pm
by The Alma Mater
So what did those guys actually do, aside from being members of an organisation we used to call terrorist, but are now buddies with Trump and therefor fine ?

Bomb a school ? Shoot a cop ? Write nasty letters about the president ? What ?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:24 pm
by Cetacea
and where are the sanctions against Saudi Arabia for the assasinations in their embassies?

are these allegations against Iran proven or is it more hypocrisy?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:39 pm
by Rea
Bombadil wrote:
Sneudal wrote:
Haven't we been doing that since like always?


Well sure, but not generally so brazenly and for the general public to be so blasé about it.


The Mossad's been doing this since the early '60s. There have been no shortage of high profile cases.

A few have even been made into movies.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:51 pm
by The Grims
Cetacea wrote:and where are the sanctions against Saudi Arabia for the assasinations in their embassies?
?


Well, that is up to Turkey, since it happened on their soil.
This happened on EU soil, so the EU imposes sanctions.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:33 am
by Sneudal
Myrensis wrote:Stop being dumb Iran. Trump is giving you perfect cover to lay low and make nice with Europe as the reasonable ones being put upon by a flailing man-child who wants to look tough. Is picking off a few dissident ex-pats really more important than normalizing trade and economic cooperation with Europe?


This is just like arguing that the U.S. should've improved relations with Afghanistan after 9/11 instead of starting to hunt for those responsible...

The Alma Mater wrote:So what did those guys actually do, aside from being members of an organisation we used to call terrorist, but are now buddies with Trump and therefor fine ?

Bomb a school ? Shoot a cop ? Write nasty letters about the president ? What ?


One of those killed in the Netherlands is widely believed to be the mastermind behind a terrorist attack that left 73 people dead (Dutch source, i'm afraid i couldn't find an English one that fast). The other one was the leader of a seperatist movement that has regularly committed terrorist attacks in Iran.

I'm not 100% sure on those attempts in France or Denmark, though i've read that one of those in Denmark was believed to be responsible for the attack on the Iranian military parade last year.

Cetacea wrote:and where are the sanctions against Saudi Arabia for the assasinations in their embassies?

are these allegations against Iran proven or is it more hypocrisy?


None are proven as far as i know, and reading this (It's in Dutch though) only confirms that nothing has been proven. It includes terms like 'almost certain' and 'strong clues'.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:53 am
by The New California Republic
Sneudal wrote:
Myrensis wrote:Stop being dumb Iran. Trump is giving you perfect cover to lay low and make nice with Europe as the reasonable ones being put upon by a flailing man-child who wants to look tough. Is picking off a few dissident ex-pats really more important than normalizing trade and economic cooperation with Europe?


This is just like arguing that the U.S. should've improved relations with Afghanistan after 9/11 instead of starting to hunt for those responsible...

...it really isn't...

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:35 am
by Trumptonium1
Is this the same EU who refused to join US pullout from the deal and said that Iran is a trustworthy nation intent on change?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:46 am
by Sneudal
The New California Republic wrote:
Sneudal wrote:
This is just like arguing that the U.S. should've improved relations with Afghanistan after 9/11 instead of starting to hunt for those responsible...

...it really isn't...


It is though, as his point was that Iran should just let it go. Same could be applied to the U.S.. Both suffered from terrorist attacks, and both didn't let it go and hunted down those responsible. Iran is no different from the U.S. in that regard.

Trumptonium1 wrote:Is this the same EU who refused to join US pullout from the deal and said that Iran is a trustworthy nation intent on change?


I'm glad they refused to join the U.S. in their blindful hatred against Iran, as in the end Iran is no different from other countries. Still is the case even with these assassination plots.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:55 am
by The New California Republic
Sneudal wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:...it really isn't...


It is though, as his point was that Iran should just let it go. Same could be applied to the U.S.. Both suffered from terrorist attacks, and both didn't let it go and hunted down those responsible. Iran is no different from the U.S. in that regard.

It isn't though. The two examples are like comparing apples and oranges. The military and economic circumstances in each are entirely different.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:16 am
by Trumptonium1
Sneudal wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:...it really isn't...


It is though, as his point was that Iran should just let it go. Same could be applied to the U.S.. Both suffered from terrorist attacks, and both didn't let it go and hunted down those responsible. Iran is no different from the U.S. in that regard.

Trumptonium1 wrote:Is this the same EU who refused to join US pullout from the deal and said that Iran is a trustworthy nation intent on change?


I'm glad they refused to join the U.S. in their blindful hatred against Iran, as in the end Iran is no different from other countries. Still is the case even with these assassination plots.


"Iran is no different from other countries even with their assassination plots"

Apparently we live in an alternate reality. Anyways, has anyone made a thread yet about the Swiss assassination attempt on the New Zealand Prime Minister over sheep wool competitiveness?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:14 am
by Sneudal
The New California Republic wrote:
Sneudal wrote:
It is though, as his point was that Iran should just let it go. Same could be applied to the U.S.. Both suffered from terrorist attacks, and both didn't let it go and hunted down those responsible. Iran is no different from the U.S. in that regard.

It isn't though. The two examples are like comparing apples and oranges. The military and economic circumstances in each are entirely different.


Both are completely unrelated though. It's about the message here, not the race and gender of the messenger.

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Sneudal wrote:
It is though, as his point was that Iran should just let it go. Same could be applied to the U.S.. Both suffered from terrorist attacks, and both didn't let it go and hunted down those responsible. Iran is no different from the U.S. in that regard.



I'm glad they refused to join the U.S. in their blindful hatred against Iran, as in the end Iran is no different from other countries. Still is the case even with these assassination plots.


"Iran is no different from other countries even with their assassination plots"

Apparently we live in an alternate reality. Anyways, has anyone made a thread yet about the Swiss assassination attempt on the New Zealand Prime Minister over sheep wool competitiveness?


Ah yes, let's coincidentally forget about Israel, Russia, Saudi-Arabia, the U.S., the U.K., France etc. etc.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:15 am
by The New California Republic
Sneudal wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:It isn't though. The two examples are like comparing apples and oranges. The military and economic circumstances in each are entirely different.


Both are completely unrelated though. It's about the message here, not the race and gender of the messenger.

Race and gender...? What on Earth are you talking about? :eyebrow:

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:16 am
by Frievolk
Trumptonium1 wrote:Is this the same EU who refused to join US pullout from the deal and said that Iran is a trustworthy nation intent on change?

Honestly, Iran fucked up a lot after Trump pulled out of Barjam.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:17 am
by Sneudal
The New California Republic wrote:
Sneudal wrote:
Both are completely unrelated though. It's about the message here, not the race and gender of the messenger.

Race and gender...? What on Earth are you talking about? :eyebrow:


Non-related things, just like you were doing.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:18 am
by The New California Republic
Sneudal wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Race and gender...? What on Earth are you talking about? :eyebrow:


Non-related things, just like you did.

I have no idea what you are trying to do here, but it clearly isn't working.