Scomagia wrote:The Rich Port wrote:Then I'm sure there's a mounting social movement against the social indignities of chiropractic therapy.
Oh what's that. Nobody cares? Des-Bal is only bringing this up to have some kind of counter-point that isn't immediately refutable just to be a contrarian? It only gave him 10 extra seconds?
Thank you, Lenin's corpse!
Look, Des, I don't disagree chiropractors are charlatans and quacks, but comparing it to conversion therapy is disingenuous and insultingly downplays the impact conversion therapy can have.
They're not even the same kind of pseudo-science. Conversion is religious pseudo-psychology, chiropractic is alternative pseudo-medicine.
I hardly see how he's being contrarian. It seems like he's applying the logic behind banning conversion "therapy" for children to argue that it's consistent to then apply that logic to banning chiropractic for children. It seems reasonable enough to me to say that it's inconsistent to ban one and not the other.
1: Chiropractice is safe as long as practictioners don´t mess with the spine or neck, which is why for instance Germany is debatting to ban manipulation of neck and spine by chiropractictioners rather then outright ban it, since chiropractice can be an effective alternative treatment for stiffness or cramps for instance, but gets dangerous as soon as practicioners mess with the neck or spine. This btw. is hard science, as well as the fact that manipulation of the neck can indeed lead to a stroke or other implacations, science again. Science also clearly states that besides reliefing aching muscles, chiropractice has no validated effects either, but that´s off the point since people are free to ingest as much snake oil as they want too.
He is comparing apples and oranges here.
2: Conversion theraphy is entirely harmfull even when "only" practiced psychological, there is literaly no benefit here but only harm, harm and more harm. That and mounting costs for our healthcare systems which are entirely avoidable, not to mention that lives are saved this way(suicide).
I´ll give you an example: You are free to speak your mind or even practice quackery, so long as this quackery doesn´t cause
any serious harm and that´s where we draw the line in our law system too. Conversion theraphy is just that: Entirely and utterly harmfull quackery, hence it´s banned and rightfully so too. Just like we ban dangerous medication/only give them when there is no other choice. Conversion theraphy is more equivalent to an outdated cancer medication that has been banned due to side-effects and the fact that better alternatives exist.
3: You also leave out the clear moral aspects of this. You are literaly allowing humans to degrade other humans(via conversion theraphy). I don´t know about your laws but here these kinds of things are banned by our constitution. Telling them they are "wrong", "worthless", "an error of nature" etc. goes against at least 2 if not more constitutional laws in my country. And a dozen or more if you worse force a child into it.
Comparing chiropractice to conversion theraphy is indeed a very bad match.