Denver and New York State Bans Conversion Therapy

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... on-therapy
Colorado's capital is now the first municipality in the state to ban the practice of conversion therapy. For those who dont know conversion therapy is a pseudoscience that supposedly changes one's sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual. It is total nonsense and has been shown to only cause harm as being gay is not a choice.

It is rather sad this abhorrent practice has not been banned nationwide and is being done on the local and state level very slowly. the State of New York may soon join the list though along with Colorado. It has already been banned in 14 states and dozens of municipalities

Here is a list of the jurisdictions that have banned it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... for_minors

Update: New York is now the 15th state to ban it.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... on-therapy

Whats your take NSG? Why hasn't this quackery been banned nationwide?

[Mzeusia]

It's possible that it hasn't been banned nationwide because of religion is so prevalent and so strong a force in the US. Banning conversion therapy obviously doesn't make advocates for it look good.

[San Lumen]

It's possible that it hasn't been banned nationwide because of religion is so prevalent and so strong a force in the US. Banning conversion therapy obviously doesn't make advocates for it look good.

That is very possible but its been thoroughly debunked as total nonsense.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

الحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ رًبِّ العَالَمِين
AlHamdulillahi rabbil 'aalameen
All praise to Allah SWT, Lord of the worlds

[Mzeusia]

That is very possible but its been thoroughly debunked as total nonsense.

Agreed.

[San Lumen]

That is very possible but its been thoroughly debunked as total nonsense.

Agreed.

Therefore I dont get why its not illegal in every state

[Scomagia]

Banning forced conversion therapy is fine. Banning people from undertaking it willingly is less fine with me. Require the providers to make it clear that there's no documented effectiveness to their "therapy", but don't prohibit people from making the choice to try it.

Nanny statism is terrible.

[San Lumen]

Banning forced conversion therapy is fine. Banning people from undertaking it willingly is less fine with me. Require the providers to make it clear that there's no documented effectiveness to their "therapy", but don't prohibit people from making the choice to try it.

Nanny statism is terrible.

Why should utter quackery be allowed to be practiced by supposed doctors?

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The fact that this repugnant form of child abuse still exists within the majority of US states should serve as a reality check that we have not made anywhere near as much progress than we give ourselves credit for.

In my view, parents who subject their children to conversion therapy are worse than parents who beat the shit out of their kids.

[San Lumen]

The fact that this repugnant form of child abuse still exists within the majority of US states should serve as a reality check that we have not made anywhere near as much progress than we give ourselves credit for.

In my view, parents who subject their children to conversion therapy are worse than parents who beat the shit out of their kids.

Well it is a form of abuse and therefore is equal to hitting their children

[Des-Bal]

Why should utter quackery be allowed to be practiced by supposed doctors?

The same reason we haven't driven all the chiropractors into the sea.

[Des-Bal]

Well it is a form of abuse and therefore is equal to hitting their children

Nonsequitur, all abuse is not equal.

[Valrifell]

Banning forced conversion therapy is fine. Banning people from undertaking it willingly is less fine with me. Require the providers to make it clear that there's no documented effectiveness to their "therapy", but don't prohibit people from making the choice to try it.

Nanny statism is terrible.

Both have the same outcome and both require the intervention of the state.

I'm just curious as to why the nanny state forcing labels and disclosures everywhere is the line for acceptable laissez faire capitalism and a free society.

[Scomagia]

Banning forced conversion therapy is fine. Banning people from undertaking it willingly is less fine with me. Require the providers to make it clear that there's no documented effectiveness to their "therapy", but don't prohibit people from making the choice to try it.

Nanny statism is terrible.

Why should utter quackery be allowed to be practiced by supposed doctors?

If they aren't doctors then they, obviously, should not be legally allowed to use the term. If there's no efficacy, which there isn't, they should be required by law to disclose that information. Beyond that, who the hell are you to interfere in someone's decision to undergo conversion "therapy"? Sounds awfully paternalistic of you.

[San Lumen]

Why should utter quackery be allowed to be practiced by supposed doctors?

The same reason we haven't driven all the chiropractors into the sea.

What is the equivalence?

[Mzeusia]

Banning forced conversion therapy is fine. Banning people from undertaking it willingly is less fine with me. Require the providers to make it clear that there's no documented effectiveness to their "therapy", but don't prohibit people from making the choice to try it.

Nanny statism is terrible.

If we apply that same situation to a drug not known to work but known to harm people, would it be offered as something to take?
No, so why should conversion therapy be allowed to continue?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

The fact that this repugnant form of child abuse still exists within the majority of US states should serve as a reality check that we have not made anywhere near as much progress than we give ourselves credit for.

In my view, parents who subject their children to conversion therapy are worse than parents who beat the sh*t out of their kids.

Well it is a form of abuse and therefore is equal to hitting their children

What's the difference tho? 1 case is the larent themselves hitting their children while the other is getting someone else to best their children. They're stull functioanlly the same.

[Des-Bal]

Both have the same outcome and both require the intervention of the state.

I'm just curious as to why the nanny state forcing labels and disclosures everywhere is the line for acceptable laissez faire capitalism and a free society.

Because one involves ensuring people are informed and the other involves policing their decisions.

[San Lumen]

Why should utter quackery be allowed to be practiced by supposed doctors?

If they aren't doctors then they, obviously, should not be legally allowed to use the term. If there's no efficacy, which there isn't, they should be required by law to disclose that information. Beyond that, who the hell are you to interfere in someone's decision to undergo conversion "therapy"? Sounds awfully paternalistic of you.

Its very rare for non minors to go through it.

[Des-Bal]

What is the equivalence?

Because chiropractic "medicine" is quakery and explicitly against the scientific method.

[San Lumen]

What is the equivalence?

Because chiropractic "medicine" is quakery and explicitly against the scientific method.

How?

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Why should utter quackery be allowed to be practiced by supposed doctors?

If they aren't doctors then they, obviously, should not be legally allowed to use the term. If there's no efficacy, which there isn't, they should be required by law to disclose that information. Beyond that, who the hell are you to interfere in someone's decision to undergo conversion "therapy"? Sounds awfully paternalistic of you.

If a consenting adult wants to let someone else try to change their sexuality, then by all means they should be free to do so. But that isn't the problem, the problem is that minors are subjected to this heinous abuse.

[Scomagia]

Banning forced conversion therapy is fine. Banning people from undertaking it willingly is less fine with me. Require the providers to make it clear that there's no documented effectiveness to their "therapy", but don't prohibit people from making the choice to try it.

Nanny statism is terrible.

Both have the same outcome and both require the intervention of the state.

I'm just curious as to why the nanny state forcing labels and disclosures everywhere is the line for acceptable laissez faire capitalism and a free society.

Preposterous. One is coercive and immoral by default, the other is an informed decision by an adult. Apples and dinosaurs.

I never said I was a laissez faire capitalist. The existence of free markets requires a degree of state regulation to prevent fraud and deceit. If a person is fully informed as to the uselessness of a given thing but wants it anyway, they ought to have it. Protecting people from themselves is disgusting.

[San Lumen]

If they aren't doctors then they, obviously, should not be legally allowed to use the term. If there's no efficacy, which there isn't, they should be required by law to disclose that information. Beyond that, who the hell are you to interfere in someone's decision to undergo conversion "therapy"? Sounds awfully paternalistic of you.

If a consenting adult wants to let someone else try to change their sexuality, then by all means they should be free to do so. But that isn't the problem, the problem is that minors are subjected to this heinous abuse.

and the vast majority of the time is minors who are subjected to this abuse therefore if you ban it for minors it is effectively outlawed

[Crockerland]

Great news, hopefully the state government, and eventually the other remaining 35 states & all territories of the Union will ban the vile practice of conversion therapy for minors.