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Joohan wrote:( Im rather fond of bird watching IRL )

Olthar wrote:

Joohan wrote:( Im rather fond of bird watching IRL )

So am I, but they tend to get angry and call me creepy when I stare at them too long.

Salus Maior wrote:

Costa Fierro wrote:
You mean cats. Interestingly dogs are one of the leading killers of kiwi.

Dogs are easier to control than cats.

Lanoraie II wrote:I have good news for you; the cat population is already attempting to be regulated by heavily encouraging people to spay and neuter their kitties. It's also becoming more common for cats to be indoor cats; safe and away from birds.

However, this mainly only applies to the US & Canada (as far as I know--I'd bet something like that is happening in Europe but I don't know).

I am a conservationist and animal lover, so "drowning kittens" is probably one of the worst things you could say to me. If there was an easier method of controlling cat populations than letting people do whatever they want to an innocent kitten--well, there is, sort of. Fines for abandoning cats and non-lethal cat traps could be an option. But quite frankly, cats are not that big of a concern to the ecosystem in most places. Humans always are. Also, 2 billion birds sounds like a massive overestimation. Maybe 200 million.

Salus Maior wrote:

Costa Fierro wrote:
Somewhat, it's their owners that are difficult to control.

Then legislate things like mandated fixing. Outside of breeders of course.

Esternial wrote:If this goes on we will all be drowning in pussy.

Joohan wrote:

Lanoraie II wrote:I have good news for you; the cat population is already attempting to be regulated by heavily encouraging people to spay and neuter their kitties. It's also becoming more common for cats to be indoor cats; safe and away from birds.

However, this mainly only applies to the US & Canada (as far as I know--I'd bet something like that is happening in Europe but I don't know).

I am a conservationist and animal lover, so "drowning kittens" is probably one of the worst things you could say to me. If there was an easier method of controlling cat populations than letting people do whatever they want to an innocent kitten--well, there is, sort of. Fines for abandoning cats and non-lethal cat traps could be an option. But quite frankly, cats are not that big of a concern to the ecosystem in most places. Humans always are. Also, 2 billion birds sounds like a massive overestimation. Maybe 200 million.

It's usually only pets which get spayed or neutered - something which doesn't effect feral cats. There are programs to do the same with feral cat populations, but their results are dubious and questionable. Human beings are more dangerous to the ecosystem than cats, but not by a lot. My numbers and claims have been backed by several sources in the OP. Mind you, 2 billion is a conservative number.

And as for drowning kittens: the reason it's been brought up by some, ecologist Pentti Linkola for example, is because it's been a mainstay of eliminating unwanted cat populations in areas lacking fire arms ( like Europe and Latin America ) for centuries.

Joohan wrote:

Lanoraie II wrote:I have good news for you; the cat population is already attempting to be regulated by heavily encouraging people to spay and neuter their kitties. It's also becoming more common for cats to be indoor cats; safe and away from birds.

However, this mainly only applies to the US & Canada (as far as I know--I'd bet something like that is happening in Europe but I don't know).

I am a conservationist and animal lover, so "drowning kittens" is probably one of the worst things you could say to me. If there was an easier method of controlling cat populations than letting people do whatever they want to an innocent kitten--well, there is, sort of. Fines for abandoning cats and non-lethal cat traps could be an option. But quite frankly, cats are not that big of a concern to the ecosystem in most places. Humans always are. Also, 2 billion birds sounds like a massive overestimation. Maybe 200 million.

It's usually only pets which get spayed or neutered - something which doesn't effect feral cats. There are programs to do the same with feral cat populations, but their results are dubious and questionable. Human beings are more dangerous to the ecosystem than cats, but not by a lot. My numbers and claims have been backed by several sources in the OP. Mind you, 2 billion is a conservative number.

And as for drowning kittens: the reason it's been brought up by some, ecologist Pentti Linkola for example, is because it's been a mainstay of eliminating unwanted cat populations in areas lacking fire arms ( like Europe and Latin America ) for centuries.

Sovaal wrote:

Joohan wrote:
It's usually only pets which get spayed or neutered - something which doesn't effect feral cats. There are programs to do the same with feral cat populations, but their results are dubious and questionable. Human beings are more dangerous to the ecosystem than cats, but not by a lot. My numbers and claims have been backed by several sources in the OP. Mind you, 2 billion is a conservative number.

And as for drowning kittens: the reason it's been brought up by some, ecologist Pentti Linkola for example, is because it's been a mainstay of eliminating unwanted cat populations in areas lacking fire arms ( like Europe and Latin America ) for centuries.

Seems like an argument for loosening up controls on small caliber firearms.

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:

Sovaal wrote:Seems like an argument for loosening up controls on small caliber firearms.

...What kinda twisted motherfucker would shoot a goddamn cat!?

Salus Maior wrote:

Costa Fierro wrote:
You mean cats. Interestingly dogs are one of the leading killers of kiwi.

Dogs are easier to control than cats.

Joohan wrote:

Lanoraie II wrote:I have good news for you; the cat population is already attempting to be regulated by heavily encouraging people to spay and neuter their kitties. It's also becoming more common for cats to be indoor cats; safe and away from birds.

However, this mainly only applies to the US & Canada (as far as I know--I'd bet something like that is happening in Europe but I don't know).

I am a conservationist and animal lover, so "drowning kittens" is probably one of the worst things you could say to me. If there was an easier method of controlling cat populations than letting people do whatever they want to an innocent kitten--well, there is, sort of. Fines for abandoning cats and non-lethal cat traps could be an option. But quite frankly, cats are not that big of a concern to the ecosystem in most places. Humans always are. Also, 2 billion birds sounds like a massive overestimation. Maybe 200 million.

It's usually only pets which get spayed or neutered - something which doesn't effect feral cats. There are programs to do the same with feral cat populations, but their results are dubious and questionable. Human beings are more dangerous to the ecosystem than cats, but not by a lot. My numbers and claims have been backed by several sources in the OP. Mind you, 2 billion is a conservative number.

And as for drowning kittens: the reason it's been brought up by some, ecologist Pentti Linkola for example, is because it's been a mainstay of eliminating unwanted cat populations in areas lacking fire arms ( like Europe and Latin America ) for centuries.

Risottia wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
Dogs are easier to control than cats.

I haven't heard of prides of feral cats attacking and killing people in Sicily, for instance. Packs of feral dogs, on the other hand...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7949181.stm

Scomagia wrote:

Risottia wrote:I haven't heard of prides of feral cats attacking and killing people in Sicily, for instance. Packs of feral dogs, on the other hand...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7949181.stm

That's only because of the size difference between housecats and dogs. Feral cats do attack people, they're just too small to effectively kill a person. Add thirty or forty pounds to a cat, though, and you'd have a vicious murder machine. Seriously, if cats were the same size as medium to large breed dogs they would be fucking people up all the time.

Risottia wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
Dogs are easier to control than cats.

I haven't heard of prides of feral cats attacking and killing people in Sicily, for instance. Packs of feral dogs, on the other hand...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7949181.stm

Wahlid wrote:Internet Rule 72: support or opposition to any measure or subject can and will be used to push Islamophobic talking points. The Prophet Muhammad was a known cat lover.

Ethel mermania wrote:

Scomagia wrote:That's only because of the size difference between housecats and dogs. Feral cats do attack people, they're just too small to effectively kill a person. Add thirty or forty pounds to a cat, though, and you'd have a vicious murder machine. Seriously, if cats were the same size as medium to large breed dogs they would be fucking people up all the time.

Dont you forget it, goat boy.

Or as I say. If cats were people sized and humans were cat sized humanity would be toast.

Sovaal wrote:

Joohan wrote:
It's usually only pets which get spayed or neutered - something which doesn't effect feral cats. There are programs to do the same with feral cat populations, but their results are dubious and questionable. Human beings are more dangerous to the ecosystem than cats, but not by a lot. My numbers and claims have been backed by several sources in the OP. Mind you, 2 billion is a conservative number.

And as for drowning kittens: the reason it's been brought up by some, ecologist Pentti Linkola for example, is because it's been a mainstay of eliminating unwanted cat populations in areas lacking fire arms ( like Europe and Latin America ) for centuries.

Seems like an argument for loosening up controls on small caliber firearms.

Risottia wrote:

Salus Maior wrote:
Dogs are easier to control than cats.

I haven't heard of prides of feral cats attacking and killing people in Sicily, for instance. Packs of feral dogs, on the other hand...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7949181.stm

Joohan wrote:

Risottia wrote:I haven't heard of prides of feral cats attacking and killing people in Sicily, for instance. Packs of feral dogs, on the other hand...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7949181.stm

We are not eliminating cats because they are a direct threat to humans, we are getting rid of feral cats and regulating pets so as to control the wanton environmental destruction they cause.

Xmara wrote:

Joohan wrote:
We are not eliminating cats because they are a direct threat to humans, we are getting rid of feral cats and regulating pets so as to control the wanton environmental destruction they cause.

Or, instead of killing them, do what they’re doing with the feral cats in my neighborhood: catch, neuter/spay, release.

They actually do a favor for our neighborhood. We have a hoarder who lives on our block and the city isn’t doing anything about it. The cats go to his yard and catch rodents and other pests.