Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)

[Kowani]

“I hurt you because I love you.”

And if we advance to the point we overcome disease, then what?

Diseases that served no purpose besides overcoming them. Millions of lives lost for what? So Allah could be proud that after millennia of suffering, humans has gotten past obstacle he put in their way?

And if the sufferings and trials stop towards a believer after they die and go to heaven, then what?

A minority religion has failed in its mission.

The conclusion does not follow from the premises

Look, all I'm saying is that God allows suffering as a result of our free will and natural laws.

If they are natural, then God is not omnipotent. If they are not, then God is directly responsible for suffering.

And the Qu’ran says what?

That the world and universe was created in six periods.

So, back to that free will without disease thing…

I’m gonna go tell everyone who’s ever been killed by a disease in history that they were sinners. Oh, and that includes all the babies as well.

I didn't say every single person who died from a disease was an unbeliever. Even believers can die as well.

The majority of the people who have been were not believers, though. The point still stands.

How?

Because your idea of a perfect god is not the character of the God of Islam.

No god that intentionally causes needless suffering can be said to be perfect.

[Kowani]

Why don’t you take the risk and become a Hindu, then? After all, you can’t disprove their gods either.

Oh, that’s right. This is the worst of all possible arguments.

I can disprove Hinduism because Allah has said that they are wrong and I am a Muslim, and as a Muslim I hear and obey as Allah has commanded and Allah has said there is none but he and thus I say there is none but he.

…Circular logic gon’ circle.

[Nu-Cascadia]

I can disprove Hinduism because Allah has said that they are wrong and I am a Muslim, and as a Muslim I hear and obey as Allah has commanded and Allah has said there is none but he and thus I say there is none but he.

Aidacsac, the lord I answer to, actually says Muslims are wrong. I serve Aidacsac, and I hear and obey his infinite wisdom.

[Jolthig]

And if we advance to the point we overcome disease, then what?

Diseases that served no purpose besides overcoming them. Millions of lives lost for what? So Allah could be proud that after millennia of suffering, humans has gotten past obstacle he put in their way?

Exactly.

A minority religion has failed in its mission.

Definite "minority".

If they are natural, then God is not omnipotent. If they are not, then God is directly responsible for suffering.

Nature being subservient to God does not go against his omnipotence.

No god that intentionally causes needless suffering can be said to be perfect.

Except that suffering in itself is not a bad thing. It's part of the natural laws that God created for the world.

[Khataiy]

Aidacsac, the lord I answer to, actually says Muslims are wrong. I serve Aidacsac, and I hear and obey his infinite wisdom.

If that's how you feel, but you will still be wrong at the end of the day because Allah is the truth and if you don't want to settle with that and accept that, that isn't my problem and Allah says regarding this to let you enjoy your life in this earth because the next will be a torment.

[Nu-Cascadia]

Aidacsac, the lord I answer to, actually says Muslims are wrong. I serve Aidacsac, and I hear and obey his infinite wisdom.

If that's how you feel, but you will still be wrong at the end of the day because Allah is the truth and if you don't want to settle with that and accept that, that isn't my problem and Allah says regarding this to let you enjoy your life in this earth because the next will be a torment.

That is the unfortunate thing about religion, especially Islam at the moment. That fear that is stoked in you is unrealistic, and is causing you to feel at peace with somebody being tormented because they don't believe in your particular fiction.

Do you really think that is moral, or good? Or just? Do you think people deserve punishment for not obeying a tyrant who won't show himself?

[Kowani]

Diseases that served no purpose besides overcoming them. Millions of lives lost for what? So Allah could be proud that after millennia of suffering, humans has gotten past obstacle he put in their way?

Exactly.

That is a terrible reason.

A minority religion has failed in its mission.

Definite "minority".

Numerical.

If they are natural, then God is not omnipotent. If they are not, then God is directly responsible for suffering.

Nature being subservient to God does not go against his omnipotence.

And therefore, God is directly responsible for all suffering

No god that intentionally causes needless suffering can be said to be perfect.

Except that suffering in itself is not a bad thing. It's part of the natural laws that God created for the world.

I am reminded of an African worm, burrowing through a child’s eyes. The worm cannot live in any way, except for the child’s eyeballs.

[Khataiy]

If that's how you feel, but you will still be wrong at the end of the day because Allah is the truth and if you don't want to settle with that and accept that, that isn't my problem and Allah says regarding this to let you enjoy your life in this earth because the next will be a torment.

That is the unfortunate thing about religion, especially Islam at the moment. That fear that is stoked in you is unrealistic, and is causing you to feel at peace with somebody being tormented because they don't believe in your particular fiction.

Do you really think that is moral, or good? Or just? Do you think people deserve punishment for not obeying a tyrant who won't show himself?

God is not a tyrant, God gives us everything and you are ungrateful you do not even want to thank him with the simplest of things so much as even believing in him, so why should you enjoy the best of his creation in heaven? This would be as if you lived somewhere but never paid your debt then expected to continue to be allowed to enjoy the benefits, that isn't how it works and you will be cast out into the cold.

[Kowani]

That is the unfortunate thing about religion, especially Islam at the moment. That fear that is stoked in you is unrealistic, and is causing you to feel at peace with somebody being tormented because they don't believe in your particular fiction.

Do you really think that is moral, or good? Or just? Do you think people deserve punishment for not obeying a tyrant who won't show himself?

God is not a tyrant, God gives us everything and you are ungrateful you do not even want to thank him with the simplest of things so much as even believing in him, so why should you enjoy the best of his creation in heaven? This would be as if you lived somewhere but never paid your debt then expected to continue to be allowed to enjoy the benefits, that isn't how it works and you will be cast out into the cold.

Well, let’s turn in the receipt, because some people don’t like cancer.

[Khataiy]

God is not a tyrant, God gives us everything and you are ungrateful you do not even want to thank him with the simplest of things so much as even believing in him, so why should you enjoy the best of his creation in heaven? This would be as if you lived somewhere but never paid your debt then expected to continue to be allowed to enjoy the benefits, that isn't how it works and you will be cast out into the cold.

Well, let’s turn in the receipt, because some people don’t like cancer.

Exactly what I just said if you do not want to praise, worship and obey God then don't and enjoy the things you have now because you will regret it one day, on the final hour.

[Nu-Cascadia]

That is the unfortunate thing about religion, especially Islam at the moment. That fear that is stoked in you is unrealistic, and is causing you to feel at peace with somebody being tormented because they don't believe in your particular fiction.

Do you really think that is moral, or good? Or just? Do you think people deserve punishment for not obeying a tyrant who won't show himself?

God is not a tyrant, God gives us everything and you are ungrateful you do not even want to thank him with the simplest of things so much as even believing in him, so why should you enjoy the best of his creation in heaven? This would be as if you lived somewhere but never paid your debt then expected to continue to be allowed to enjoy the benefits, that isn't how it works and you will be cast out into the cold.

Allah is the ultimate mafia boss and tyrant, then. It figures that the prophet of his will is a warlord, who exerted control by fiat (that is, "Because I say so").

We should live by a mutual recognition and respect of our fellow human because we /know/ of other humans. We know of what we have now and we should make the best of it. So to continue on your analogy, people who think the house should be tidy, and nice to live in for everybody deserves suffering and death because he wouldn't perform fellatio on the landlord five times a day. Fuck that.

[Kowani]

Well, let’s turn in the receipt, because some people don’t like cancer.

Exactly what I just said if you do not want to praise, worship and obey God then don't and enjoy the things you have now because you will regret it one day, on the final hour.

Will Santa not be bringing presents either ?

[Hanafuridake]

Why don’t you take the risk and become a Hindu, then? After all, you can’t disprove their gods either.

Oh, that’s right. This is the worst of all possible arguments.

I can disprove Hinduism because Allah has said that they are wrong and I am a Muslim, and as a Muslim I hear and obey as Allah has commanded and Allah has said there is none but he and thus I say there is none but he.

Where did he say that?

[Neanderthaland]

I cannot. But I'm not making a positive claim. Atheism is a rejection of religious claims which assert authoritatively.

I also cannot prove Thor doesn't exist, or Santa Claus, or Jjk'l'far the Kraken Prince. So what?

The thing is though you cannot actually prove Allah doesn't exist so why take the risk in not following him? It is the same reason you buy insurance.

This is an argument that only holds up if you've never thought about it at all.

[Khataiy]

God is not a tyrant, God gives us everything and you are ungrateful you do not even want to thank him with the simplest of things so much as even believing in him, so why should you enjoy the best of his creation in heaven? This would be as if you lived somewhere but never paid your debt then expected to continue to be allowed to enjoy the benefits, that isn't how it works and you will be cast out into the cold.

Allah is the ultimate mafia boss and tyrant, then. It figures that the prophet of his will is a warlord, who exerted control by fiat (that is, "Because I say so").

We should live by a mutual recognition and respect of our fellow human because we /know/ of other humans. We know of what we have now and we should make the best of it. So to continue on your analogy, people who think the house should be tidy, and nice to live in for everybody deserves suffering and death because he wouldn't perform fellatio on the landlord five times a day. Fuck that.

We should do what God tells us to do actually not what our emotions tell us to do, emotions are irrational and irrationality is dangerous, God has a plan for us that is perfect and beautiful forget hell and his punishment Allah's religion is beautiful and is the epicenter of all the glory you can possibly imagine there is nothing else in all of existence with as much dignity, honor, glory, beauty, peace and truth like Islam.

If everyone on earth was a Muslim the world you see today would be as if it were hell itself compared to what an Islamic world would look like if everyone followed the religion correctly as intended, it is sad more than anything that there are people left out from this and are so stubborn or filled with so much anger and animosity and ignorance they cannot see how plain and clear it is.

Islam is a pure fabric.

[Khataiy]

Exactly what I just said if you do not want to praise, worship and obey God then don't and enjoy the things you have now because you will regret it one day, on the final hour.

Will Santa not be bringing presents either ?

Pathetic

[United Muscovite Nations]

You converted to Eastern Orthodoxy because you were skeptical of what?

Because, I'm sorry, you aren't thinking critically or you just don't care about what's actually factual if you believe in something for which you don't have evidence. Even if it's well-codified or feels good or seemingly has a verse or hadith or group prayer for every one of life's discomforts and every question that crops up. But at the end of the day, you are believing in a force for which you can not demonstrate in any repeatable capacity. It's all hearsay and prophecy and brilliant leaders with massive egos inserting themselves in to a long-woven story that a culture comes up with.

We have answered questions with secular, physical methodology and skepticism towards claims that assert the unquestionably divinity, and then authority, of a scripture or being.

Because I was skeptical that the empirical is all there is, and skeptical that my ability to observe is the limit of what is out there.

We believe many things that cannot be demonstrated repeatably, that's called history. I believe in Christ because he told me to pick up and read, and my questions were answered by what I read.

Also, I resent the idea that because I didn't arrive at the same conclusion as you, that I must not be thinking critically.

[Kowani]

Will Santa not be bringing presents either ?

Pathetic

I see the point went entirely over your head.

[Khataiy]

Pathetic

I see the point went entirely over your head.

No I know what you are trying to say and it is pathetic and offensive to compare God to something like that, it is offensive and insulting.

[Hanafuridake]

Allah is the ultimate mafia boss and tyrant, then. It figures that the prophet of his will is a warlord, who exerted control by fiat (that is, "Because I say so").

We should live by a mutual recognition and respect of our fellow human because we /know/ of other humans. We know of what we have now and we should make the best of it. So to continue on your analogy, people who think the house should be tidy, and nice to live in for everybody deserves suffering and death because he wouldn't perform fellatio on the landlord five times a day. Fuck that.

We should do what God tells us to do actually not what our emotions tell us to do, emotions are irrational and irrationality is dangerous, God has a plan for us that is perfect and beautiful forget hell and his punishment Allah's religion is beautiful and is the epicenter of all the glory you can possibly imagine there is nothing else in all of existence with as much dignity, honor, glory, beauty, peace and truth like Islam.

If everyone on earth was a Muslim the world you see today would be as if it were hell itself compared to what an Islamic world would look like if everyone followed the religion correctly as intended, it is sad more than anything that there are people left out from this and are so stubborn or filled with so much anger and animosity and ignorance they cannot see how plain and clear it is.

Islam is a pure fabric.

Appeals to beauty and perfection are just as emotional and irrational as other emotions are.

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

Didn’t say it was. I said it was an inconsistent basis for morals.



Thank you for proving my point.

Hence why I get my ethics from more than my religion.

Welp, guess God isn’t as much of the arbiter of all that is good as seems to be purported.

[Neanderthaland]

I see the point went entirely over your head.

No I know what you are trying to say and it is pathetic and offensive to compare God to something like that, it is offensive and insulting.

Blasphemy is a victimless crime.

[Kowani]

I see the point went entirely over your head.

No I know what you are trying to say and it is pathetic and offensive to compare God to something like that, it is offensive and insulting.

You threatened me with hellfire. And yet I’m the one who’s being offensive and insulting? Carayo. Myopic as heck, y’are.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Hence why I get my ethics from more than my religion.

Welp, guess God isn’t as much of the arbiter of all that is good as seems to be purported.

God, by incarnating as Christ, gives us the example of the perfect man, by which we can compare our conduct to to see if it is loving, as I said earlier.

[Neanderthaland]

Welp, guess God isn’t as much of the arbiter of all that is good as seems to be purported.

God, by incarnating as Christ, gives us the example of the perfect man, by which we can compare our conduct to to see if it is loving, as I said earlier.

Y'all remember that one time he freaked out and killed a fruit tree, right?