Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)

[Free Arabian Nation]

God is instructing humans to answer prayers. They wouldn't know what to do otherwise.

How about instead of sending drones, God should in there and go all new testament "Jesus breaks bread" on Africa's ass.

[Free Arabian Nation]

And if the Christian doesn't obey? Like if he's sick or something? And by the time god finds a replacement, it's far too late for the prayer to be answered?

God will find someone else or intervene directly if he has to. Sometimes he doesn't.

And the Christian should always obey.

Intervening directly should ALWAYS be the first option rather than putting in the hands of mortal and powerless humans. You know how many people could have been saved if God has just come down from his home in the sky and given people the things they need directly? Perhaps billions of Christians, Pagans, Atheists, etc could be not dead or at least have lived a lot longer than they actually did.

[Neutraligon]

So he's not answering prayers, he's just gambling that some person will listen to him and do his will?

Close enough. He's doing what is going to answer the prayer, and that's why the Bible says Christians must obey God.

Then by the same logic he is not answering people's prayers, since he also cannot force anyone to do anything. So once again that is not god answering prayers, that is humans answering prayers.

God is instructing humans to answer prayers. They wouldn't know what to do otherwise.

You really think people are so stupid as to not be aware people need food? I don't need a god to tell me that those who survived a natural disaster likely need food and water, blankets, and a place to stay as well as help to clear up if possible the results of the natural disaster. So no, god is not telling people that others need food. We can figure that out on our own.

[Geneviev]

God will find someone else or intervene directly if he has to. Sometimes he doesn't.

And the Christian should always obey.

Intervening directly should ALWAYS be the first option rather than putting in the hands of mortal and powerless humans. You know how many people could have been saved if God has just come down from his home in the sky and given people the things they need directly? Perhaps billions of Christians, Pagans, Atheists, etc could be not dead or at least have lived a lot longer than they actually did.

That could be true, but God helped people indirectly too.

Close enough. He's doing what is going to answer the prayer, and that's why the Bible says Christians must obey God.


God is instructing humans to answer prayers. They wouldn't know what to do otherwise.

You really think people are so stupid as to not be aware people need food? I don't need a god to tell me that those who survived a natural disaster likely need food and water, blankets, and a place to stay as well as help to clear up if possible the results of the natural disaster.

People don't tend to do anything about those issues. Either they ignore it, or they assume that someone else will do something. God does have to tell people to do things.

[Free Arabian Nation]

Intervening directly should ALWAYS be the first option rather than putting in the hands of mortal and powerless humans. You know how many people could have been saved if God has just come down from his home in the sky and given people the things they need directly? Perhaps billions of Christians, Pagans, Atheists, etc could be not dead or at least have lived a lot longer than they actually did.

That could be true, but

No, no buts.

Only lives

[Byzconia]

Intervening directly should ALWAYS be the first option rather than putting in the hands of mortal and powerless humans. You know how many people could have been saved if God has just come down from his home in the sky and given people the things they need directly? Perhaps billions of Christians, Pagans, Atheists, etc could be not dead or at least have lived a lot longer than they actually did.

That could be true, but God helped people indirectly too.

You really think people are so stupid as to not be aware people need food? I don't need a god to tell me that those who survived a natural disaster likely need food and water, blankets, and a place to stay as well as help to clear up if possible the results of the natural disaster.

People don't tend to do anything about those issues. Either they ignore it, or they assume that someone else will do something. God does have to tell people to do things.

Or he could, you know, do something himself.

[Neutraligon]

Intervening directly should ALWAYS be the first option rather than putting in the hands of mortal and powerless humans. You know how many people could have been saved if God has just come down from his home in the sky and given people the things they need directly? Perhaps billions of Christians, Pagans, Atheists, etc could be not dead or at least have lived a lot longer than they actually did.

That could be true, but God helped people indirectly too.

You really think people are so stupid as to not be aware people need food? I don't need a god to tell me that those who survived a natural disaster likely need food and water, blankets, and a place to stay as well as help to clear up if possible the results of the natural disaster.

People don't tend to do anything about those issues. Either they ignore it, or they assume that someone else will do something. God does have to tell people to do things.

Factually not true. Just look to the various atheist/secular organizations that exist. Also, why is a perfect being so terrible at doing stuff and so inefficient? I mean I see no difference between your god acting and your god not acting.

[Geneviev]

That could be true, but God helped people indirectly too.


People don't tend to do anything about those issues. Either they ignore it, or they assume that someone else will do something. God does have to tell people to do things.

Or he could, you know, do something himself.

Which he also does sometimes.

That could be true, but God helped people indirectly too.


People don't tend to do anything about those issues. Either they ignore it, or they assume that someone else will do something. God does have to tell people to do things.

Factually not true. Just look to the various atheist/secular organizations that exist.

Most people in general don't have much to do with them, though.

[Neutraligon]

Or he could, you know, do something himself.

Which he also does sometimes.

Factually not true. Just look to the various atheist/secular organizations that exist.

Most people in general don't have much to do with them, though.

And? All I need is one organization not being talked to by a god to show you as factually wrong.

[Korhal IVV]

That could be true, but God helped people indirectly too.


People don't tend to do anything about those issues. Either they ignore it, or they assume that someone else will do something. God does have to tell people to do things.

Factually not true. Just look to the various atheist/secular organizations that exist. Also, why is a perfect being so terrible at doing stuff and so inefficient? I mean I see no difference between your god acting and your god not acting.

Our perception of "terrible" is not the same as God's.

The perception of humans extends only to the immediate. Trying to comprehend how God acts is like a squirrel attempting to figure out advanced mathematics.

[Geneviev]

Which he also does sometimes.


Most people in general don't have much to do with them, though.

And? All I need is one organization not being talked to by a god to show you as factually wrong.

Then I haven't been explaining myself well.

God usually answers prayers by sending people to do his work. He has to tell those people what he wants them to do because people don't usually automatically do what he wants. That doesn't mean that no one does anything good without being told by God.

[The South Falls]

I believe just because of the chances. If there's no afterlife, it doesn't matter, and I'll be reborn into a new body, to become better. If there is an afterlife, then I'll be covered.

[Neutraligon]

Factually not true. Just look to the various atheist/secular organizations that exist. Also, why is a perfect being so terrible at doing stuff and so inefficient? I mean I see no difference between your god acting and your god not acting.

Our perception of "terrible" is not the same as God's.

The perception of humans extends only to the immediate. Trying to comprehend how God acts is like a squirrel attempting to figure out advanced mathematics.

Then your Jesus is useless. Also, if god is unable to take into account the perceptions of the beings he supposedly wants to make a relationship with then he is an ineffective communicator.

[Neutraligon]

I believe just because of the chances. If there's no afterlife, it doesn't matter, and I'll be reborn into a new body, to become better. If there is an afterlife, then I'll be covered.

Which afterlife?

[Kowani]

Factually not true. Just look to the various atheist/secular organizations that exist. Also, why is a perfect being so terrible at doing stuff and so inefficient? I mean I see no difference between your god acting and your god not acting.

Our perception of "terrible" is not the same as God's.

The perception of humans extends only to the immediate. Trying to comprehend how God acts is like a squirrel attempting to figure out advanced mathematics.

Yes, malaria was absolutely necessary. Along with the plague, cholera, tuberculosis, and cancer.

[Byzconia]

Or he could, you know, do something himself.

Which he also does sometimes.

Like?

[Neutraligon]

And? All I need is one organization not being talked to by a god to show you as factually wrong.

Then I haven't been explaining myself well.

God usually answers prayers by sending people to do his work. He has to tell those people what he wants them to do because people don't usually automatically do what he wants. That doesn't mean that no one does anything good without being told by God.

Ah, so basically you have no evidence that god is actually telling them anything. There is literally no way to differentiate between a god not existing and people just acting like people and doing it on their own...and having a few people supposedly told to act by god. Also...I find it funny that the people who have to be told by a god to act are going to heaven, while those who have not spoken to the god and are acting anyway get to go to hell because they do not believe.

[Andsed]

Then I haven't been explaining myself well.

God usually answers prayers by sending people to do his work. He has to tell those people what he wants them to do because people don't usually automatically do what he wants. That doesn't mean that no one does anything good without being told by God.

Ah, so basically you have no evidence that god is actually telling them anything. There is literally no way to differentiate between a god not existing and people just acting like people and doing it on their own...and having a few people supposedly told to act by god. Also...I find it funny that the people who have to be told by a god to act are going to heaven, while those who have not spoken to the god and are acting anyway get to go to hell because they do not believe.

This is the same god who hit Egypt with multiple plagues to prove he was better than the Egyptian gods. He is pretty fucking petty so I am in no way surprised.

[Tarsonis]

Then I haven't been explaining myself well.

God usually answers prayers by sending people to do his work. He has to tell those people what he wants them to do because people don't usually automatically do what he wants. That doesn't mean that no one does anything good without being told by God.

Ah, so basically you have no evidence that god is actually telling them anything. There is literally no way to differentiate between a god not existing and people just acting like people and doing it on their own...and having a few people supposedly told to act by god. Also...I find it funny that the people who have to be told by a god to act are going to heaven, while those who have not spoken to the god and are acting anyway get to go to hell because they do not believe.

According to Catholic Doctrine, you’re still being told by God how to act. The natural law is ingrained by God in every hunab being.

[Andsed]

Ah, so basically you have no evidence that god is actually telling them anything. There is literally no way to differentiate between a god not existing and people just acting like people and doing it on their own...and having a few people supposedly told to act by god. Also...I find it funny that the people who have to be told by a god to act are going to heaven, while those who have not spoken to the god and are acting anyway get to go to hell because they do not believe.

According to Catholic Doctrine, you’re still being told by God how to act. The natural law is ingrained by God in every hunab being.

Then we don't have free will.

[Geneviev]

Which he also does sometimes.

Like?

Like this.

Then I haven't been explaining myself well.

God usually answers prayers by sending people to do his work. He has to tell those people what he wants them to do because people don't usually automatically do what he wants. That doesn't mean that no one does anything good without being told by God.

Ah, so basically you have no evidence that god is actually telling them anything. There is literally no way to differentiate between a god not existing and people just acting like people and doing it on their own...and having a few people supposedly told to act by god. Also...I find it funny that the people who have to be told by a god to act are going to heaven, while those who have not spoken to the god and are acting anyway get to go to hell because they do not believe.

The evidence is when people say they acted because God told them to.

[Andsed]

Like?

Like this.

Ah, so basically you have no evidence that god is actually telling them anything. There is literally no way to differentiate between a god not existing and people just acting like people and doing it on their own...and having a few people supposedly told to act by god. Also...I find it funny that the people who have to be told by a god to act are going to heaven, while those who have not spoken to the god and are acting anyway get to go to hell because they do not believe.

The evidence is when people say they acted because God told them to.

Anecdotes alone is not good evidence. Try again.

[Neutraligon]

Like?

Like this.

Ah, so basically you have no evidence that god is actually telling them anything. There is literally no way to differentiate between a god not existing and people just acting like people and doing it on their own...and having a few people supposedly told to act by god. Also...I find it funny that the people who have to be told by a god to act are going to heaven, while those who have not spoken to the god and are acting anyway get to go to hell because they do not believe.

The evidence is when people say they acted because God told them to.

People have also murdered because they said god tells them so.

[Tarsonis]

According to Catholic Doctrine, you’re still being told by God how to act. The natural law is ingrained by God in every hunab being.

Then we don't have free will.

You do. You can chose not to follow it, as many do, but you still know the natural law by instinct.

[Andsed]

Then we don't have free will.

You do. You can chose not to follow it, as many do, but you still know the natural law by instinct.

Okay? That does not mean we are being told to act by god. It still means we are deciding to act god has nothing to do with it.