Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)

[The New California Republic]

https://www.dawn.com/news/705037

I don't view that source as being reliable either, as it makes really weird claims such as this one without providing any evidence in the text:

Today, the only remains of the glorious Tower of Babel are the ruins of its base, which is, by the way, can even be viewed on Google Earth.

[Genivaria]

Why are you ignoring the link I posted?

My apologies, I looked over it.
What am I supposed to gather from it?

I explained this already. I'm not going to type it out again from a phone.

What evidence is there that says Hebrew slaves never were in Egypt at the time?

There is no evidence that there was ever a large Jewish population in Egypt except for a Jewish military garrison in post Alexander Egypt, that is to say Ptolemic Egypt.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History ... s_in_Egypt

There's little evidence of such a large community of Hebrews during the Old Kingdom and especially not slaves, and speaking of slaves the idea that slaves built the pyramids is also a myth as we have evidence that Egyptian paid laborers built the pyramids.

[Nor Portland]

https://www.dawn.com/news/705037

I don't view that source as being reliable either, as it makes really weird claims such as this one without providing any evidence in the text:

Today, the only remains of the glorious Tower of Babel are the ruins of its base, which is, by the way, can even be viewed on Google Earth.

Here's your evidence for the google earth https://vimeo.com/40620287

Though seriously, still it's quite common to find similar stories in ancient religions. May not be an exact tower but correlating ideas are quite interesting

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

Mods, I request that this thread be locked. It is unhealthy flame bait.

Well I'm sorry if you think you're entitled to your opinion without criticism. Your religion doesn't matter, nor does your belief. I don't get why people view it higher than any other political opinion; it should be treated as the same thing. Enough of your crying.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

Also, everyone, sorry for my off and on participation in this thread, but I think something needs to be said:


Why believe in God?

Aside from the fact there is literally no evidence apart from a book and a bunch of writings which only self-reference themselves, Occam's Razor just shaves this off:
"So uhhh...the universe has a beginning, right? So what created it?"
"There's a magic omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omnipresent man outside the universe, all-powerful, all-seeing and all-hearing."
"Isn't there a possibility in which the universe creates itself through scientific processes and the big cru-"
"MAGIC BEING!"

[Neutraligon]

if such a collapse happened it would be to big to really hide and there would be some records we could find. Yet there are none.

Perhaps they were stored in the Library of Alexandria

You do realize that such a large group of people would leave more then just "books" as evidence that they where there right?

[The New California Republic]

I don't view that source as being reliable either, as it makes really weird claims such as this one without providing any evidence in the text:

Here's your evidence for the google earth https://vimeo.com/40620287

Yet another untrustworthy source. Some dude on Vimeo who has just thrown a pin with the label "Tower of Babel" on some nondescript square shape on Google Earth.

[The New California Republic]

Why believe in God?

Is that huge text really necessary?

[Nor Portland]

Here's your evidence for the google earth https://vimeo.com/40620287

Yet another untrustworthy source. Some dude on Vimeo who has just thrown a pin with the label "Tower of Babel" on some nondescript square shape on Google Earth.

It's legit thooo!!!!!!!!!!

[The New California Republic]

Yet another untrustworthy source. Some dude on Vimeo who has just thrown a pin with the label "Tower of Babel" on some nondescript square shape on Google Earth.

It's legit thooo!!!!!!!!!!

No.

[Nor Portland]

It's legit thooo!!!!!!!!!!

No.

Obviously it aint, lmao

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I don't view that source as being reliable either, as it makes really weird claims such as this one without providing any evidence in the text:

Here's your evidence for the google earth https://vimeo.com/40620287 :p

He found Etemenanki. Which the Iraqis are selling as the Babel tower.

[The New California Republic]

No.

Obviously it aint, lmao

Right, so this little dance around was pointless then? Alright.

[Free Arabian Nation]

I forgot, there is evidence for God.

On 4/20/1969, a baked potato my grandmother was cooking exploded, the potato bits exploded just right to form the words "Your mom gay". This is a clear sign that our Lord and Savior, Dankulus, is watching over us always.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

Why believe in God?

Is that huge text really necessary?

It's called emphasis. That's why graffiti is often made large.

[Nor Portland]

Obviously it aint, lmao

Right, so this little dance around was pointless then? Alright.

It was obviously a joke from the start but whatever

I'll state it again, it's quite common to find similar stories in ancient religions. May not be an exact tower but correlating ideas are quite interesting

[The New California Republic]

Is that huge text really necessary?

It's called emphasis. That's why graffiti is often made large.

Other people use bolded or underlined text, but you decided to use size 300 text. Alright. Completely unnecessary, but you do you.

[The New California Republic]

Right, so this little dance around was pointless then? Alright.

It was obviously a joke from the start but whatever

It really wasn't, but whatever.

[Salandriagado]

The book of Exodus is a work of fiction, this is simply a historical fact.

Completely fictional? Or perhaps it was an actual event that was twisted down through oral tradition?

Fictional. There was never a significant Jewish population in Egypt, nor a significant movement of people from Egypt to the Levant.

[Salandriagado]

Which part of the 'event' is actually true then?
Slaves building the pyramids which never happened? Or thousands of Hebrews being slaves in Egypt which never happened?

Once you remove those from the story then the whole basis of the story falls apart.

What evidence is there that says Hebrew slaves never were in Egypt at the time?

The Egyptians were really damned good at keeping records of these things.

Also the total absence of any evidence of them ever being there.

[Salandriagado]

Please expand on this.

Sorry, I was in lunch at the time.

I personally am Orthodox but have looked greatly into perennialism, the idea that all old religions are different offshoots of a once universal one. As I stated earlier, it "historically" makes sense because nearly all ancient religions have similar events which they admire. The Tower of Babel, for instance, has its own variations in Hinduism and the Mayans. The story of the Great Flood has its roots all over the world.

You mean things that are blatant allegories for fairly common localised events are fairly common? Who'd have thought it! Also, there was never a great flood.

I could go much more in-depth about this if I had more time but essentially given the correlations of similar beliefs between ancient religions, the idea that at one point there was once one universal religion strengthens the notion that such a universal religion worshipped a real God or divine essence

There was never a universal religion.

[Salandriagado]

Simply put if all of those slaves left after ten plagues Egypt's economy would collapse.

Assuming the ten plagues never occurred (going along the lines that the Exodus tale was twisted), the Egyptian economy would crumble regardless if the Hebrews left. Probably not for long though since the peasantry of the time could replace such workers

This didn't happen. Egyptian records report no drop in economic output in the period.

[Salandriagado]

if such a collapse happened it would be to big to really hide and there would be some records we could find. Yet there are none.

Perhaps they were stored in the Library of Alexandria

No, because we have the records from the time.

[Godular]

if such a collapse happened it would be to big to really hide and there would be some records we could find. Yet there are none.

Perhaps they were stored in the Library of Alexandria

I find it entertaining how stridently some folks will cling to their god-of-the-gaps argument.

[Aussandries]

Also, everyone, sorry for my off and on participation in this thread, but I think something needs to be said:


Why believe in God?

Aside from the fact there is literally no evidence apart from a book and a bunch of writings which only self-reference themselves, Occam's Razor just shaves this off:
"So uhhh...the universe has a beginning, right? So what created it?"
"There's a magic omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omnipresent man outside the universe, all-powerful, all-seeing and all-hearing."
"Isn't there a possibility in which the universe creates itself through scientific processes and the big cru-"
"MAGIC BEING!"

you realise that there are sources in Roman, Greek, Jewish and Egyptian documents about Jesus and His miracles, right? There are first hand accounts inside them, ask any ancient historian. Why would the Romans and Jews especially lie? They had Him killed for goodness sake.
"Plus, the universe has a beginning, right? So what created it?"
"Giant explosion creating something from nothing!"
"Wait, isn't that against the laws of phys-"
"GIANT EXPLOSION!"