Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)

[Salandriagado]

No it was simply god throwing a fit and punishing billions of humans for the actions of two.

No its a creation story to represent the early days of humanity and our relationship with God.

Which is factually and demonstrably wrong in every particular.

[Andsed]

No it was simply god throwing a fit and punishing billions of humans for the actions of two.

No its a creation story to represent the early days of humanity and our relationship with God.

No your acting like it's a metaphor. What it simply is is god acting like a power mad dictator and punishing all of humanity for the actions of two.

[Cekoviu]

That is some circular fuckin logic right there
If you don't mind me asking, which country? Orthodoxy can vary pretty heavily depending on the area.

Matthew 5:8 "Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God."
No one can see God unless they are pure in heart, and in order to be pure in heart, you need to believe and trust in Jesus. Believing is seeing in this situation.

And you don't see the flaw in this logic?

[Valrifell]

No its a creation story to represent the early days of humanity and our relationship with God.

No your acting like it's a metaphor. What it simply is is god acting like a power mad dictator and punishing all of humanity for the actions of two.

To be fair, old testament God was kind of just like that. He mellowed out when he sent his son/himself (but not really) to die for our sins.

[Hrythingland]

No its a creation story to represent the early days of humanity and our relationship with God.

No your acting like it's a metaphor. What it simply is is god acting like a power mad dictator and punishing all of humanity for the actions of two.

It is a metaphor. That is the point. You're as bad as the televangelists. At least sophisticated atheists recognise much of the Old Testament as poetic stories and tales written to be just such.

[Neutraligon]

No your acting like it's a metaphor. What it simply is is god acting like a power mad dictator and punishing all of humanity for the actions of two.

To be fair, old testament God was kind of just like that. He mellowed out when he sent his son/himself (but not really) to die for our sins.

Not really given that it is the new testament that bring about the idea of hell, Satan being god's opponent, and the entire fire and brimstone ending.

[Neutraligon]

No your acting like it's a metaphor. What it simply is is god acting like a power mad dictator and punishing all of humanity for the actions of two.

It is a metaphor. That is the point. You're as bad as the televangelists. At least sophisticated atheists recognise much of the Old Testament as poetic stories and tales written to be just such.

Does free will exist in heaven?

[The Blaatschapen]

I do not believe in God.

I was born this way

[Andsed]

No your acting like it's a metaphor. What it simply is is god acting like a power mad dictator and punishing all of humanity for the actions of two.

It is a metaphor. That is the point. You're as bad as the televangelists. At least sophisticated atheists recognize much of the Old Testament as poetic stories and tales written to be just such.

So nothing in the Old Testament happened? Good to know....

[Hrythingland]

It is a metaphor. That is the point. You're as bad as the televangelists. At least sophisticated atheists recognise much of the Old Testament as poetic stories and tales written to be just such.

Does free will exist in heaven?

Yes, but we are cleansed of sinfulness.

[Cekoviu]

No your acting like it's a metaphor. What it simply is is god acting like a power mad dictator and punishing all of humanity for the actions of two.

To be fair, old testament God was kind of just like that. He mellowed out when he sent his son/himself (but not really) to die for our sins.

Oh, that reminds me - God/Jesus is a paradox. To be both yourself and your son, you have to go back in time and perform carnal acts with your mother, but you wouldn't exist unless you had done so before you existed.

[Valrifell]

To be fair, old testament God was kind of just like that. He mellowed out when he sent his son/himself (but not really) to die for our sins.

Not really given that it is the new testament that bring about the idea of hell, Satan being god's opponent, and the entire fire and brimstone ending.

God himself calmed down, the writers of the Bible ramped it up to 11.

Though from what I know the brimstone interpretation of Hell didn't really kick off until the Great Awakening and Puritans attempting to regain lost congregations.

[Andsed]

Does free will exist in heaven?

Yes, but we are cleansed of sinfulness.

So you can't sin in heaven right?

[Neutraligon]

Does free will exist in heaven?

Yes, but we are cleansed of sinfulness.

So free will exists in heaven, but people are not sinful. So why did the all powerful god not make that the base state where free will exists but people are not sinful outside of heaven?

[Valrifell]

To be fair, old testament God was kind of just like that. He mellowed out when he sent his son/himself (but not really) to die for our sins.

Oh, that reminds me - God/Jesus is a paradox. To be both yourself and your son, you have to go back in time and perform carnal acts with your mother, but you wouldn't exist unless you had done so before you existed.

From what I know/remember, the Lord isn't the Son and neither are the Holy Spirit. However, the Lord is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. The same God.

[The New California Republic]

I do not believe in God.

I was born this way

I always suspected that sheep were heathens, and this has just confirmed it. Their fluffiness is a ruse to hide the depth of their wickedness.

[Hrythingland]

It is a metaphor. That is the point. You're as bad as the televangelists. At least sophisticated atheists recognize much of the Old Testament as poetic stories and tales written to be just such.

So nothing in the Old Testament happened? Good to know....

There's plenty in the Old Testament, but it is important to remember that with Christ there is a new covenant.

[Valrifell]

Yes, but we are cleansed of sinfulness.

So you can't sin in heaven right?

Ugh. I'd rather be in Hell.

[The Blaatschapen]

Yes, but we are cleansed of sinfulness.

So you can't sin in heaven right?

Then give me hell.

Many sins are FUN. Lust, gluttony and sloth especially.

[Neutraligon]

So nothing in the Old Testament happened? Good to know....

There's plenty in the Old Testament, but it is important to remember that with Christ there is a new covenant.

If god is all powerful and all knowing why was a new covenant ever needed?

[Hrythingland]

I do not believe in God.

I was born this way

I always suspected that sheep were heathens, and this has just confirmed it. Their fluffiness is a ruse to hide the depth of their wickedness.

No only dutch sheep. The sheep in Britain, be they grazing on the misty valleys of Glamorganshire, the heathersome highlands or the green and pleasant land of England are good, god fearing beasts.

[Alvecia]

So you can't sin in heaven right?

Then give me hell.

Many sins are FUN. Lust, gluttony and sloth especially.

Heaven does sound awfully boring.

[Salandriagado]

Oh, that reminds me - God/Jesus is a paradox. To be both yourself and your son, you have to go back in time and perform carnal acts with your mother, but you wouldn't exist unless you had done so before you existed.

From what I know/remember, the Lord isn't the Son and neither are the Holy Spirit. However, the Lord is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. The same God.

AKA "we're not polytheistic, honest gov!"

[Hrythingland]

There's plenty in the Old Testament, but it is important to remember that with Christ there is a new covenant.

If god is all powerful and all knowing why was a new covenant ever needed?

To mend the previous rift with humanity.

[The Blaatschapen]

I always suspected that sheep were heathens, and this has just confirmed it. Their fluffiness is a ruse to hide the depth of their wickedness.

No only dutch sheep. The sheep in Britain, be they grazing on the misty valleys of Glamorganshire, the heathersome highlands or the green and pleasant land of England are good, god fearing beasts.

The Welsh are not gods.