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Postby Petrolheadia » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:22 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Lol no, if anything this universe hates us.

I mean, if this universe was truly biased towards humans, our Earth would grow pizza and beer on trees and hookers would be everywhere.

Jokes aside, this universe is most definitely NOT in our favor. Especially considering the fact that 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of our universe will kill us without things like Clothing, Spacesuits, Spaceships, Weapons, Air Conditioning, Food, Medicine. Hell, Humanity would have gone extinct/wouldn't be the top species if it wasn't for the magical invention of "Controlled Fire"

It's less of a finely tuned haven for Humans and more of a flower in a sidewalk crack.

Which is we are so fortunate, every time we reach a new step in technology we are harder to kill off or go extinct, and since we have survived so far, fortune has smiled upon us, so far. You argue that because of our chances we are our considerable unfortunate, where as I argue, because of our luck in rolling those odds so far we are lucky. Which is why I argue we are favored in the universe, as if we didnt have that favor, we'd likely be dead now.

It does not require God to have something lucky happen. It just requires basic rules of statistics.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:28 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:I find the universe or the world far to much in our favor. And with that fortune in mind, makes me believe in god. Sure we may be lucky, but you can only be lucky so many times.

The chance of life developing and getting to the point we're at now may be one in a billion, but there are well over a billion planets in our universe, and the chance of life developing on a planet where life develops is one in one.
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Postby The Caleshan Valkyrie » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:30 am

I have seen no evidence to support the existence of any deity, much less a specific one. Also, I find the idea of religion to be little more than wishful thinking. I can’t stop others from doing it, but it just looks silly.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:34 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Which is we are so fortunate, every time we reach a new step in technology we are harder to kill off or go extinct, and since we have survived so far, fortune has smiled upon us, so far. You argue that because of our chances we are our considerable unfortunate, where as I argue, because of our luck in rolling those odds so far we are lucky. Which is why I argue we are favored in the universe, as if we didnt have that favor, we'd likely be dead now.

It does not require God to have something lucky happen. It just requires basic rules of statistics.

This is true, and because of this I do have doubts at times. Its just the repeated known fortunes favors us a little to much, that makes me believe.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:38 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:It does not require God to have something lucky happen. It just requires basic rules of statistics.

This is true, and because of this I do have doubts at times. Its just the repeated known fortunes favors us a little to much, that makes me believe.

Possible repetition is never a proof of God existing.

Also, why didn't we, for example, luck into a God that wouldn't leave us on a planet with limited resources or send those he didn't like into eternal suffering?
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Postby Valentine Z » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:39 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:This is true, and because of this I do have doubts at times. Its just the repeated known fortunes favors us a little to much, that makes me believe.

Possible repetition is never a proof of God existing.

Also, why didn't we, for example, luck into a God that wouldn't leave us on a planet with limited resources or send those he didn't like into eternal suffering?


Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Thrice is just weird. More than thrice?

It's a work of Cthulhu.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:39 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Lol no, if anything this universe hates us.

I mean, if this universe was truly biased towards humans, our Earth would grow pizza and beer on trees and hookers would be everywhere.

Jokes aside, this universe is most definitely NOT in our favor. Especially considering the fact that 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of our universe will kill us without things like Clothing, Spacesuits, Spaceships, Weapons, Air Conditioning, Food, Medicine. Hell, Humanity would have gone extinct/wouldn't be the top species if it wasn't for the magical invention of "Controlled Fire"

It's less of a finely tuned haven for Humans and more of a flower in a sidewalk crack.

Which is we are so fortunate, every time we reach a new step in technology we are harder to kill off or go extinct, and since we have survived so far, fortune has smiled upon us, so far. You argue that because of our chances we are our considerable unfortunate, where as I argue, because of our luck in rolling those odds so far we are lucky. Which is why I argue we are favored in the universe, as if we didnt have that favor, we'd likely be dead now.

Or god can, you know, not throw us onto a shithole planet with limited resources and space.

Again, the only reason why we could survive in the first place is through rapid advancement. A universe truly in our favor wouldn't need that. A universe wouldn't need technological advancements just for us to survive past the age of 30 if it was favorable. We think this world is perfect for us humans because this is the only world we know.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:39 am

God came to me in a dream and told me that he wasn't real, and who could deny a sign like that?
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:40 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:Its just the repeated known fortunes favors us a little to much, that makes me believe.

...ignoring all the various floods, fires, earthquakes, tsunamis, avalanches, plagues, tornadoes, hurricanes, and numerous other things that repeatedly kill many thousands of people every year and cause abject suffering for millions more. But yes, barring those...:roll:
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Postby Petrolheadia » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:41 am

Valentine Z wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Possible repetition is never a proof of God existing.

Also, why didn't we, for example, luck into a God that wouldn't leave us on a planet with limited resources or send those he didn't like into eternal suffering?


Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Thrice is just weird. More than thrice?

Unusual, but possible luck.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:45 am

Ifreann wrote:God came to me in a dream and told me that he wasn't real, and who could deny a sign like that?

Sorta relevant, I had a dream once where all the gods were trying to prove to me that they were the true one

God, Allah, Odin, Zeus, Ra, Vishnu, Buddha, Satan, John Madden, they were all trying to prove themselves to me.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:49 am

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Ifreann wrote:God came to me in a dream and told me that he wasn't real, and who could deny a sign like that?

Sorta relevant, I had a dream once where all the gods were trying to prove to me that they were the true one

God, Allah, Odin, Zeus, Ra, Vishnu, Buddha, Satan, John Madden, they were all trying to prove themselves to me.

The one true god is Sobek, Lord of Semen.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:50 am

Ifreann wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Sorta relevant, I had a dream once where all the gods were trying to prove to me that they were the true one

God, Allah, Odin, Zeus, Ra, Vishnu, Buddha, Satan, John Madden, they were all trying to prove themselves to me.

The one true god is Sobek, Lord of Semen.

"Sobek (also called Sebek, Sochet, Sobk, and Sobki), in Greek, Suchos (Σοῦχος) and from Latin Suchus, was an ancient Egyptian deity with a complex and fluid nature."
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:53 am

Ifreann wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:Sorta relevant, I had a dream once where all the gods were trying to prove to me that they were the true one

God, Allah, Odin, Zeus, Ra, Vishnu, Buddha, Satan, John Madden, they were all trying to prove themselves to me.

The one true god is Sobek, Lord of Semen.

Sobek is a God that I could really get behind...
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:55 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The one true god is Sobek, Lord of Semen.

Sobek is a God that I could really get behind...

Standing in front of him is certainly not advised.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:58 am

Ifreann wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Sobek is a God that I could really get behind...

Standing in front of him is certainly not advised.

Good thing that I'm versatile when it comes to my love of the Gods...
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Postby Valentine Z » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:58 am

All of that reminds me of this as well:

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I'm again not jabbing anyone with this picture. I just think that the argument is sort of flawed when one religion is cited as more correct than other.
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Postby Borovan3 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:42 pm

I don't believe because He is not there. You can't see him and He can't help us

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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:31 pm

So many atheists here are arguing that all the things which existed before the Big Bang had always existed, and therefore weren't created. This is true. The question, however, is whether or not any of those things were sentient. That's the difference between theism and atheism
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Postby Hrythingland » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:34 pm

Valentine Z wrote:All of that reminds me of this as well:

(Image)

I'm again not jabbing anyone with this picture. I just think that the argument is sort of flawed when one religion is cited as more correct than other.

What the fuck is that creature with the huge eyes?

Also you should never worry about 'jabbing' someone about their faith. If they irrationally believe something then they deserve to get hounded for basing their life around something they have not given much thought, intelligent or otherwise to.
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Postby Geneviev » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:35 pm

I believe in God because my church teaches the truth, and because the Bible says God is real. The Bible has always been true.

As for the actual reason that I believe in God, I've seen him heal people when doctors said they couldn't be healed. My existence is the result of God's miracles. Nothing could convince me that God isn't real after what he's done.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:36 pm

I dont believe because i dont see any evidence that such a thing exists, so i would rather spend my time doing other things than worshipping a god as i see it was a waste of time.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:37 pm

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Alvecia wrote:Does there need to be a beginning? Causalty is a rule of this universe, but that may not have been the case before the universe existed.


This.

The universe doesn't have to have an origin. All notions of "origin" imply a "beginning", which fit our current understanding of time. But to ask what happened before the big bang is as meaningless a question as to ask how apples tasted before apples existed.

THIS is theism. The only difference is that we believe that one of those things that existed before the Big Bang happened to be sentient. I think that THAT's the key between an educated theist and an educated atheist. We can all agree that there was a bunch of stuff that's always existed, the question is whether or not any of them are sentient
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Postby Luziyca » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:38 pm

I am pretty much agnostic because there is no evidence which proves or disproves a God: one person's proof can very well be another person's fabrication. However, one thing is for sure: if there is a God, he is doing something better with his time, like crocheting, and he does not play a role in world affairs.
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