Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)

[The New California Republic]

That really wasn't what I was talking about, but alright.

No, I was pointing out your hypocracy. You said that I called the author a liar on the basis of nothing (which is true, but only because of a typo), yet you called me a liar because I rejected that "Hitler is atheists=atheists are Hitler". You baselessly called me a liar for that, then point out me baselessly calling someone a liar. That makes you a hypocrite

Where did I call you a liar? Where? Show me where.

[Australian rePublic]

No, I was pointing out your hypocracy. You said that I called the author a liar on the basis of nothing (which is true, but only because of a typo), yet you called me a liar because I rejected that "Hitler is atheists=atheists are Hitler". You baselessly called me a liar for that, then point out me baselessly calling someone a liar. That makes you a hypocrite

Where did I call you a liar? Where? Show me where.

Ugh........................................

Australian rePublic's determination for Hitler to be an atheist is just bizarre, and can only be explained by some ulterior motive that is pushing him to want it to be true despite the evidence to the contrary.

[Ausinia]

I don't really know why I believe what I believe? It just feels like the right answer for me. Belief in G-d makes me feel more secure in a world that otherwise feels too chaotic, too... empty.

And thus, my sadness. Not your religion, of course, you go right ahead do what you want, but the world, but hey existentialisim.

[The New California Republic]

Where did I call you a liar? Where? Show me where.

Australian rePublic's determination for Hitler to be an atheist is just bizarre, and can only be explained by some ulterior motive that is pushing him to want it to be true despite the evidence to the contrary.

*Looks for the word "liar" in that quote, or words to that effect*

I'm not seeing it.

*Looks again*

I'm still not seeing it.

I'll ask again: show me where I called you a liar.

[Aussandries]

*Looks for the word "liar" in that quote, or words to that effect*

I'm not seeing it.

*Looks again*

I'm still not seeing it.

I'll ask again: show me where I called you a liar.

buddy, are you an idiot?
"him to want it to be true despite the evidence to the contrary"
which means, "this isn't true even though he wants it to be"
Therefore, you called him a liar

[Oppermenia]

I do and I don't believe in god. I think of science and the universe as if god had no part of it, but then I have a whole separate mindset about this higher power watching over me

[The New California Republic]

*Looks for the word "liar" in that quote, or words to that effect*

I'm not seeing it.

*Looks again*

I'm still not seeing it.

I'll ask again: show me where I called you a liar.

buddy, are you an idiot?
"him to want it to be true despite the evidence to the contrary"
which means, "this isn't true even though he wants it to be"
Therefore, you called him a liar

Again that doesn't mean that I called him a liar. It just means that he continues believing something despite being shown evidence contradicting it.

[The New California Republic]

I do and I don't believe in god. I think of science and the universe as if god had no part of it, but then I have a whole separate mindset about this higher power watching over me

What does the latter entail?

[Aussandries]

I do and I don't believe in god. I think of science and the universe as if god had no part of it, but then I have a whole separate mindset about this higher power watching over me

that's fair enough

[Aussandries]

buddy, are you an idiot?
"him to want it to be true despite the evidence to the contrary"
which means, "this isn't true even though he wants it to be"
Therefore, you called him a liar

Again that doesn't mean that I called him a liar. It just means that he continues believing something despite being shown evidence contradicting it.

well, considering multiple people have interpreted what u said as calling him a liar....

[The New California Republic]

Again that doesn't mean that I called him a liar. It just means that he continues believing something despite being shown evidence contradicting it.

well, considering multiple people have interpreted what u said as calling him a liar....

You, and the person it concerns; none of which can magically put the word "liar" into my statement.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

I do and I don't believe in god. I think of science and the universe as if god had no part of it, but then I have a whole separate mindset about this higher power watching over me

What does the latter entail?

Probably some form of "warm" deism, mostly in the form of indirect divine providence as opposed to direct divine intervention.

[Salandriagado]

Calling someone who is clearly bullshitting out, however, is.



There are very few of them (who mostly remain that way by not thinking about their beliefs), and you clearly are not one of them. Stop trying to avoid the point.

So where dows theology fit into that catagory (i.e. studying your own faith). Theologians are HUGHLY educated, and thinking about their faith is literary their job description

Theology is just bad philosophy, and consists entirely of assuming that God exists, and ignoring all evidence to the contrary for ever.

[Salandriagado]

Why did you bring him up?

I didn't. He was already brought up before me

Don't lie.

[Salandriagado]

The irony is that he totally gets the Bible is difficult... when he wants to. Any time you bring up a passage that even hints at something he doesn't like "that's a mistranslation."

No I said that the mistranslated parts are irrelevant details. For example, Noah's flood might not have actually lasted 40 days, but that's irrelevant to the main story, which is love. I feel like I've discussed this before. If not, I'd be happy to make a post about it

Except that, you know, there was demonstrably never any such flood at all.

[Genivaria]

It's telling that most 'arguments' for theism end up being just another unsupported assertion.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

It's telling that most 'arguments' for theism end up being just another unsupported assertion.

Are you including deists and Spinozan pantheists in the “theism” category? If so, I’d have to disagree with you, at least in regard to the aforementioned cases. This post was made by the Deism Gang.

[Yusseria]

i'm agnostic, though i do have a connection with Christianity (specifically Baptism) due to familial ties.

part of me wants to be a Christian, but i worry that i don't have enough faith.

[Genivaria]

It's telling that most 'arguments' for theism end up being just another unsupported assertion.

Are you including deists and Spinozan pantheists in the “theism” category? If so, I’d have to disagree with you, at least in regard to the aforementioned cases. This post was made by the Deism Gang.

Those are theists yes.

[Geneviev]

i'm agnostic, though i do have a connection with Christianity (specifically Baptism) due to familial ties.

part of me wants to be a Christian, but i worry that i don't have enough faith.

If you want to be Christian then that's enough faith.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Are you including deists and Spinozan pantheists in the “theism” category? If so, I’d have to disagree with you, at least in regard to the aforementioned cases. This post was made by the Deism Gang.

Those are theists yes.

I see a logical need for a Creator/prime mover/first cause. But other than that I can only profess what seems likely regarding the nature of the Creator. However, this is a matter of mere metaphysics; I do indeed profess the study of ethics and moral philosophy to be more important matters than “what is the nature of the Creator”.

Basically “what is Good” as contrasted by “what is God”, if you catch my drift.

[Alvecia]

Those are theists yes.

I see a logical need for a Creator/prime mover/first cause.

*shrug* I don't

[Yusseria]

i'm agnostic, though i do have a connection with Christianity (specifically Baptism) due to familial ties.

part of me wants to be a Christian, but i worry that i don't have enough faith.

If you want to be Christian then that's enough faith.

not really. there's far too much doubt in my mind as to whether or not God exists. i feel that i could never maintain such faith.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

I see a logical need for a Creator/prime mover/first cause.

*shrug* I don't

I mean, that’s possible. I just find it somewhat unlikely. Again, metaphysics is a “meh” to me, ethics is where it’s at.

[Alvecia]

*shrug* I don't

I mean, that’s possible. I just find it somewhat unlikely. Again, metaphysics is a “meh” to me, ethics is where it’s at.

Dunno, think it seems pretty logical to me. Why is causality necessary where causality doesn't necessarily exist i.e. pre-universe.