Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)

[Dogmeat]

Once again, God did say "hey dude not call". It's the entire premise of the NT. If you truely believe what the words of a long compelation of books, and ignore it, then why would an ADDITIONAL letter make you listen?

Because those books were written an extremely long time ago by men. Interpretation and translation issues aside, you can hardly trust what men who supposedly had divine revelation say about God. The whole point of the argument is that god could much more easily have an active presence in the world without violating free will. He could communicate in much more overt ways than the bible. But you're not listening to that point at all. You're just like "well he did 2k years ago. Why isnt that good enough?"

The irony is that he totally gets the Bible is difficult... when he wants to. Any time you bring up a passage that even hints at something he doesn't like "that's a mistranslation."

[Australian rePublic]

Ugh........................................

Australian rePublic's determination for Hitler to be an atheist is just bizarre, and can only be explained by some ulterior motive that is pushing him to want it to be true despite the evidence to the contrary.

What evidence?

[Australian rePublic]

And what’s your proof of that chance, there’s billion of ways it could have turned out and you mean to tell me that.

The proof of that chance is recombination and mutations. Each of us, randomly, have different DNA and thus characteristics. These characteristics pass on to their descendants, their DNA mutates randomly, they get different characteristic, they pass

Ill give you a website by telegram

I don't go gameside often. I'd reccomend linking it in a post here to ensure I see it.

Evolution starts with soup coming alive. You do not know that, proof.

That's not evolution. That's the origin of life, which is different.

A tail. Suppose you (an ape) just killed a dear with a pointy stick in one hand, and in the other like a sheaving wood knife, I doubt they would be intellectual enough to make backpacks, an extra tail would be great. That’s just one situation.

It would be great. In that one situation. But we also evolved to be social. You don't really need a tail to help with balance when you can have another person carry the stuff.

That’s your opinion, you believe this when 90% of your beliefs are assumptions, and you could say ours are as well, but biblical writings have proven future events. You have history, but writing wasn’t invited until 6000, you make assumptions from there after, no proof of in between evolution, saying it happened fast while claiming it is a multi-Billion year proccess, assuming beginning of life was from soup. What other non living thing has made life?

Firstly, I'm not gonna talk about the primordial soup because I don't know enough of it to argue correctly about it.
Secondly, our beliefs are not all assumptions. If ours are, yours are. Our belief (the one collective belief shared by atheists (Which I'm actually not, I'm an agnostic)) is that there is no God. I'd argue that claiming that there is a deity beyond this universe who sent down his son to absolve us of our sins is a bigger assumption than saying there is no God.
Thirdly, where are these biblical predictions of the future that came true?

My belief says that he made it perfect in the fact that it has everything, he created it perfect until sin came. Please prove like a thousand assumptions you guys make

1) Name these assumptions
2) Belief is not proof.

Once again the millions of ways that could have happened.

..are not proof in favor of a deity.

scientists say that Homo sapiens was the only surviving human. Kind of hard do devolve.

What do you mean? The earlier humans evolved into us or, if they branched out, died off.

You don’t need to predict the past, half of your proof is a prediction tho.

https://www.premier.org.uk/Topics/Churc ... the-future

What is this proof that is a prediction?

Hitler was a necassery evil. You were there when I explained it. He was needed to destroy racism. Not from the NAZI party, but from PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD

Is God so lazy that he can't send down an angel to tell racists not to be racist?

And you can cry 'but the NT!' all you want, but that still doesn't solve the issue. Firstly, the bible is difficult to interpret, so long ago that no evidence of their claims (i.e photos, film, eyewitnesses etc.) exists, and isn't believed in by a lot of people. God sending down an actual angel? Firstly, can be photographed, and secondly undeniable.

Just because Hutler was an atheist, it doesn't mean that all NAZIs were

He wasn't an atheist.

If you believe in God, then for all intense and purpose, you believe that the Bible is true. Maybe not 100% accurate, but definately true. If you believe that something is true, then trying to convince you that it's true is irrelevant

[Thuzbekistan]

The proof of that chance is recombination and mutations. Each of us, randomly, have different DNA and thus characteristics. These characteristics pass on to their descendants, their DNA mutates randomly, they get different characteristic, they pass



I don't go gameside often. I'd reccomend linking it in a post here to ensure I see it.



That's not evolution. That's the origin of life, which is different.



It would be great. In that one situation. But we also evolved to be social. You don't really need a tail to help with balance when you can have another person carry the stuff.



Firstly, I'm not gonna talk about the primordial soup because I don't know enough of it to argue correctly about it.
Secondly, our beliefs are not all assumptions. If ours are, yours are. Our belief (the one collective belief shared by atheists (Which I'm actually not, I'm an agnostic)) is that there is no God. I'd argue that claiming that there is a deity beyond this universe who sent down his son to absolve us of our sins is a bigger assumption than saying there is no God.
Thirdly, where are these biblical predictions of the future that came true?



1) Name these assumptions
2) Belief is not proof.



..are not proof in favor of a deity.



What do you mean? The earlier humans evolved into us or, if they branched out, died off.





What is this proof that is a prediction?



Is God so lazy that he can't send down an angel to tell racists not to be racist?

And you can cry 'but the NT!' all you want, but that still doesn't solve the issue. Firstly, the bible is difficult to interpret, so long ago that no evidence of their claims (i.e photos, film, eyewitnesses etc.) exists, and isn't believed in by a lot of people. God sending down an actual angel? Firstly, can be photographed, and secondly undeniable.


He wasn't an atheist.

If you believe in God, then for all intense and purpose, you believe that the Bible is true. Maybe not 100% accurate, but definately true. If you believe that something is true, then trying to convince you that it's true is irrelevant

So the thread has devolved to Hitler arguments and telling others what they believe.

Adios amigos

[Australian rePublic]

How exactly was I lying?

Are, not was. You are continuing to lie in claiming that Hitler was an atheist, the only ones who usually spout that line are the religious who are trying to slander atheists via guilt by association.

There literally is zero evidence that Hitler was an atheist.

How exactly was I lying?

Are, not was. You are continuing to lie in claiming that Hitler was an atheist,

How dare you accuse me of lying?

the only ones who usually spout that line are the religious who are trying to slander atheists via guilt by association.

Once again, that is a moronic argument

There literally is zero evidence that Hitler was an atheist.

Except there is evidence, though, upon new research, I'll admit that it's difficult to know what Hitler's faith was. In the very least, it's controversial enough to start a big debate. This would mean that both sides have enough evidence to support. Even the first two lines of the Wikipedia article say that he's an atheist

https://www.historyonthenet.com/hitlers-religion
https://www.abc.net.au/religion/hitlers ... n/10100614
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religio ... olf_Hitler

Now the tangent about Hitler's faith is irrelevant to the wider topic of the thread, but we still could have had an intelligent discussion, were it not for the fact that you decided to turn this into a dick measuring contest, strawman me by accusing me of lying because I arrived at a different conclusion to you (even though, I, and some of your fellow atheists pointed that your strawmen are false, and continue to ignore me and your fellow atheists, to keep making the same dumb allegations. So if you want a dick measuring contest, here we go:

Hitler was clearly an atheist. The only people who claim that Hitler was Christian, do so in order to make Christians look bad, and claim guilt by association. I mean how do you explain this meme:

Every person who lies about Hitler being a Christian totally and utterly 100% agrees with that meme. Never mind that there are millions who claim that hitler was a Christian, each and every single one of them 100% totally and utterly agrees with that meme. Don't lie and pretend that you don't 100% totally and utterly agree with that meme. Liar! Those who believe that meme is 100% true think that "good" Christians, such as MLK Jr. are in the lunatic fringe minority. I know it's true. I have full authority to speak on behalf of everyone who thinks that Hitler was a Christian. It's self-appointed authority, so it's 100% valid. Don't try to claim that I'm wrong, liar. Everyine knows you're lying, liar. Never mind the fact that historians don't agree on this mstter, you're obviously a liar. The fact that you legitimstely don't know that your a liar just proves the kind of liar that you are. Liar!

[Andsed]

Okay can we stop with this goddamn was Hitler was an atheist argument? Quite frankly I'm getting sick of this. Who the hell cares?! How bout we stop acting like moronic children(and this goes for basically everyone involved in this fucking idiotic argument.)

[Australian rePublic]

Okay can we stop with this goddamn was Hitler was an atheist argument? Quite frankly I'm getting sick of this. Who the hell cares?! How bout we stop acting like moronic children(and this goes for basically everyone involved in this fucking idiotic argument.)

Thank You!

[Andsed]

Okay can we stop with this goddamn was Hitler was an atheist argument? Quite frankly I'm getting sick of this. Who the hell cares?! How bout we stop acting like moronic children(and this goes for basically everyone involved in this fucking idiotic argument.)

Thank You!

I was talking to you as well.

[Free Arabian Nation]

Okay can we stop with this goddamn was Hitler was an atheist argument? Quite frankly I'm getting sick of this. Who the hell cares?! How bout we stop acting like moronic children(and this goes for basically everyone involved in this fucking idiotic argument.)

Thank You!

You know, you weren't exactly helping...

[Kowani]

Thank You!

You know, you weren't exactly helping...

No, no, no, we are not doing this again. Just let it go.

[Australian rePublic]

Thank You!

You know, you weren't exactly helping...

If you were refering to my last post, it was sarcastic

[Australian rePublic]

Thank You!

I was talking to you as well.

If you were refering to my latest post, it was sarcastic

[Andsed]

I was talking to you as well.

If you were refering to my latest post, it was sarcastic

I am referring to all of your post on this subject. But this argument is pointless let's fucking drop it.

[Australian rePublic]

If you were refering to my latest post, it was sarcastic

I am referring to all of your post on this subject. But this argument is pointless let's fucking drop it.

So I can't defend myself against allegations of lying?

[Genivaria]

I'll drop the 'Hitler argument'considering that it's both pointless and irrelevant.

[The New California Republic]

Australian rePublic's determination for Hitler to be an atheist is just bizarre, and can only be explained by some ulterior motive that is pushing him to want it to be true despite the evidence to the contrary.

What evidence?

Don't pull that shit. The post by Byzconia.

[Free Arabian Nation]

Oh lord, here we go again...

Actually, you know what, fuck it. I'll make a thread just to get you guys off this thread if I have to.

[Australian rePublic]

What evidence?

Don't pull that shit. The post by Byzconia.

I must have missed it

[Australian rePublic]

Where?

Firstly, Hitler was an atheist.

Just because Hutler was an atheist, it doesn't mean that all NAZIs were

This is literally what I told you when you brought it up. Since the entire point I was making was that Nazis were generally Christian (either Catholic or Lutheran), and might be receptive to God's intervention, you telling me now that Nazis weren't atheists as though I didn't know that is... I don't know man. Kinda dumb.

And if that's the point you were making, then why did you bring up Hitler at all?

Misunderstanding. I thought you were refering specifically to Hitler

[Arcturus Novus]

I don't really know why I believe what I believe? It just feels like the right answer for me. Belief in G-d makes me feel more secure in a world that otherwise feels too chaotic, too... empty.

[The New California Republic]

Don't pull that shit. The post by Byzconia.

I must have missed it

No you fucking didn't, you replied to it.

[Australian rePublic]

I must have missed it

No you fucking didn't, you replied to it.

Which one? I don't remember every post I replied to

[The New California Republic]

No you fucking didn't, you replied to it.

Which one? I don't remember every post I replied to

This.

[Australian rePublic]

Because those books were written an extremely long time ago by men. Interpretation and translation issues aside, you can hardly trust what men who supposedly had divine revelation say about God. The whole point of the argument is that god could much more easily have an active presence in the world without violating free will. He could communicate in much more overt ways than the bible. But you're not listening to that point at all. You're just like "well he did 2k years ago. Why isnt that good enough?"

The irony is that he totally gets the Bible is difficult... when he wants to. Any time you bring up a passage that even hints at something he doesn't like "that's a mistranslation."

No I said that the mistranslated parts are irrelevant details. For example, Noah's flood might not have actually lasted 40 days, but that's irrelevant to the main story, which is love. I feel like I've discussed this before. If not, I'd be happy to make a post about it

[Kowani]

The irony is that he totally gets the Bible is difficult... when he wants to. Any time you bring up a passage that even hints at something he doesn't like "that's a mistranslation."

No I said that the mistranslated parts are irrelevant details. For example, Noah's flood might not have actually lasted 40 days, but that's irrelevant to the main story, which is love. I feel like I've discussed this before. If not, I'd be happy to make a post about it

Love. God drowned everyone because he loved them.