Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)

[The Blaatschapen]

1. The only reason one ever sees "Hitler" and "was an atheist" in the same sentence is when somebody, usually fanatically religious, raises it as some kind of perverse trump-card to denigrate all atheists as genocidists and that for morality to exist one needs a 2000-3000 year old book written by Bronze Age tribes as a crutch.
2. Also you are still factually wrong and irrelevant. Hitler professed belief in a deity and even if we accede your factually wrong point the German people as a whole, 3. Catholic and Protestant alike enthusiastically endorsed "der Totaler Krieg", often with thunderous applause.

1. Saying that all atheists are genocodial because Hitler was genocidal is moronic. Comparing all atheists to Hitler is moronic
2. Hitler=/=the German people as a whole. Also, didn't Hitler say that Islam would be a better for the German people? No religious person in the history has ever suggested that anyone convert away from the religion
3. Yea, and?

Regarding 2. Can you source that islam claim?

Also, Martin Luther was a Catholic. Jesus Christ was a jew

[Australian rePublic]

What the f%%k? Slander against atheists? Just because ONE dick head was atheist, doesn't mean that all dick heads are atheist. By your own idiotic logic, if you were to call Hitler a Christian, I could call you out for slandering Christians. The vast majority of atheists are NOT dicks, Hitler is the extreme of the extreme fringe of the extreme minority of atheists, but still an atheist. How dare you accuse me of comparing ALL atheists to Hitler. Hitler was ONE of billions of atheists, and for me to compare all of them to Hitler is absolutely ludicrous

The claim that "Hitler was an atheist" is objectively wrong.

"Hitler was politically prudent enough not to trumpet his scientific views publicly, not least because he wanted to maintain the distinction between his own movement and the godlessness of Soviet Communism. Nor was he a thorough atheist. His public utterances are peppered with references to 'God' and 'Spirit'. For Hitler the eschatological truths that he found in his perception of the race represented the real 'eternal will that rules the universe'; in the infinite value of the race and the struggle to sustain it men find what they might call God, an inner sense of the unity and purposiveness of nature and history ... What Hitler could not accept was that Christianity could offer anything other than false 'ideas' to sustain its claim to moral certitude." — Excerpt from The Dictators: Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia by Richard Overy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists#Nazi_Germany

Or maybe he was a bullshit artist

[Australian rePublic]

Theologians are HUGHLY educated

Where can I get Hughly educated?

Yes, yes. A typo's hillerious

[Australian rePublic]

Same applies to Hitler

Why did you bring him up?

I didn't. He was already brought up before me

[Free Arabian Nation]

Where can I get Hughly educated?

Yes, yes. A typo's hillerious

Agreed, they are "Hillerious"

[Australian rePublic]

1. Saying that all atheists are genocodial because Hitler was genocidal is moronic. Comparing all atheists to Hitler is moronic
2. Hitler=/=the German people as a whole. Also, didn't Hitler say that Islam would be a better for the German people? No religious person in the history has ever suggested that anyone convert away from the religion
3. Yea, and?

Regarding 2. Can you source that islam claim?

Also, Martin Luther was a Catholic. Jesus Christ was a jew

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religio ... r_on_Islam
Also, reference number 6

[The New California Republic]

Where can I get Hughly educated?
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Yes, yes. A typo's hillerious

It gets better and better. Your comment on my comment on the previous typo contains yet another typo. Golden.

[Thuzbekistan]

Then why did you bring up the obvious falsehood of Hitler's atheism? The point being made in the post you were responding to was not "nazis were Christian hahaha" it was "some nazis were Christian and used Christian imagery and wording. All God had to do was say 'hey dudes, not cool' and it would have negated their Christian claims"

He was not calling the evil of Hitler on christianity as you implied in the beginning of this. He was making the point that God is extremely inefficient in his message delivery.

Once again, God did say "hey dude not call". It's the entire premise of the NT. If you truely believe what the words of a long compelation of books, and ignore it, then why would an ADDITIONAL letter make you listen?

Because those books were written an extremely long time ago by men. Interpretation and translation issues aside, you can hardly trust what men who supposedly had divine revelation say about God. The whole point of the argument is that god could much more easily have an active presence in the world without violating free will. He could communicate in much more overt ways than the bible. But you're not listening to that point at all. You're just like "well he did 2k years ago. Why isnt that good enough?"

[Thuzbekistan]

Why did you bring him up?

I didn't. He was already brought up before me

The nazis were brought up as an example in which God should have intervened and didnt despite some members carrying out evil in his name. You brought up Hitler. You've consistently missed the points being made to you.

[Thuzbekistan]

The claim that "Hitler was an atheist" is objectively wrong.

"Hitler was politically prudent enough not to trumpet his scientific views publicly, not least because he wanted to maintain the distinction between his own movement and the godlessness of Soviet Communism. Nor was he a thorough atheist. His public utterances are peppered with references to 'God' and 'Spirit'. For Hitler the eschatological truths that he found in his perception of the race represented the real 'eternal will that rules the universe'; in the infinite value of the race and the struggle to sustain it men find what they might call God, an inner sense of the unity and purposiveness of nature and history ... What Hitler could not accept was that Christianity could offer anything other than false 'ideas' to sustain its claim to moral certitude." — Excerpt from The Dictators: Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia by Richard Overy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists#Nazi_Germany

Or maybe he was a bullshit artist

Ugh........................................

[The New California Republic]

Or maybe he was a bullshit artist

Ugh........................................

Australian rePublic's determination for Hitler to be an atheist is just bizarre, and can only be explained by some ulterior motive that is pushing him to want it to be true despite the evidence to the contrary.

[Free Arabian Nation]

Ugh........................................

Australian rePublic's determination for Hitler to be an atheist is just bizarre, and can only be explained by some ulterior motive that is pushing him to want it to be true despite the evidence to the contrary.

Even if it's true, why does it matter enough to make a multi-page debate about in a thread about why you do/don't believe in a deity?

[The New California Republic]

Australian rePublic's determination for Hitler to be an atheist is just bizarre, and can only be explained by some ulterior motive that is pushing him to want it to be true despite the evidence to the contrary.

Even if it's true, why does it matter enough to make a multi-page debate about in a thread about why you do/don't believe in a deity?

There was probably some very abstract point intended regarding the notion that Hitler was supposedly atheist, but it got lost along the way, and now said debate just exists for existing's sake. I mean, the thread is about why we ourselves believe or don't believe, and not about whether various historical figures believed or didn't believe.

[The Triggered Provinces of The USSR]

I don't believe in god(s) because I find the idea absurd. Religion was created by man to explain what we didn't know and to control other people, especially women. However many people believe in the delusion which is their choice, it's not up to me to force anything upon them. However I have seen many instances of religious people forcing their beliefs on others from minor things to execution in parts of the world. The main question I have is why should you care if I believe in your god or not? According to your beliefs I will go to hell or eternal damnation so why should you care. If anything you should want me to not believe so I'm tortured for all of eternity for not believing in the correct religion. You have roughly 1/4,000 chance of being right (There are roughly 4,000 religions) or you have a 100% of being wrong(meaning that all religions are false).

[Estanglia]

And what’s your proof of that chance, there’s billion of ways it could have turned out and you mean to tell me that.

The proof of that chance is recombination and mutations. Each of us, randomly, have different DNA and thus characteristics. These characteristics pass on to their descendants, their DNA mutates randomly, they get different characteristic, they pass

Ill give you a website by telegram

I don't go gameside often. I'd reccomend linking it in a post here to ensure I see it.

Evolution starts with soup coming alive. You do not know that, proof.

That's not evolution. That's the origin of life, which is different.

A tail. Suppose you (an ape) just killed a dear with a pointy stick in one hand, and in the other like a sheaving wood knife, I doubt they would be intellectual enough to make backpacks, an extra tail would be great. That’s just one situation.

It would be great. In that one situation. But we also evolved to be social. You don't really need a tail to help with balance when you can have another person carry the stuff.

That’s your opinion, you believe this when 90% of your beliefs are assumptions, and you could say ours are as well, but biblical writings have proven future events. You have history, but writing wasn’t invited until 6000, you make assumptions from there after, no proof of in between evolution, saying it happened fast while claiming it is a multi-Billion year proccess, assuming beginning of life was from soup. What other non living thing has made life?

Firstly, I'm not gonna talk about the primordial soup because I don't know enough of it to argue correctly about it.
Secondly, our beliefs are not all assumptions. If ours are, yours are. Our belief (the one collective belief shared by atheists (Which I'm actually not, I'm an agnostic)) is that there is no God. I'd argue that claiming that there is a deity beyond this universe who sent down his son to absolve us of our sins is a bigger assumption than saying there is no God.
Thirdly, where are these biblical predictions of the future that came true?

My belief says that he made it perfect in the fact that it has everything, he created it perfect until sin came. Please prove like a thousand assumptions you guys make

1) Name these assumptions
2) Belief is not proof.

Once again the millions of ways that could have happened.

..are not proof in favor of a deity.

scientists say that Homo sapiens was the only surviving human. Kind of hard do devolve.

What do you mean? The earlier humans evolved into us or, if they branched out, died off.

You don’t need to predict the past, half of your proof is a prediction tho.

https://www.premier.org.uk/Topics/Churc ... the-future

What is this proof that is a prediction?

Or he could have intervened, as he supposedly has done before when stuff goes to shit. But he didn't.

Hitler was a necassery evil. You were there when I explained it. He was needed to destroy racism. Not from the NAZI party, but from PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD

Is God so lazy that he can't send down an angel to tell racists not to be racist?

And you can cry 'but the NT!' all you want, but that still doesn't solve the issue. Firstly, the bible is difficult to interpret, so long ago that no evidence of their claims (i.e photos, film, eyewitnesses etc.) exists, and isn't believed in by a lot of people. God sending down an actual angel? Firstly, can be photographed, and secondly undeniable.

The Nazis had "God is with us" written on their belt buckles. All it would have taken God to sort this out is one strongly worded letter.

Just because Hutler was an atheist, it doesn't mean that all NAZIs were

He wasn't an atheist.

[The Grims]

The Nazis had "God is with us" written on their belt buckles. All it would have taken God to sort this out is one strongly worded letter.

Just because Hutler was an atheist, it doesn't mean that all NAZIs were

But are we certain that the man who made it possible for the Catholic Chuch to draw tithes directly from peoples paychecks, had all his holidays in the most Catholic part of Germany surrounded by Catholic bodyguards while killing "the murderers of Christ" (and the gays) was truly an atheist ?

[The Triggered Provinces of The USSR]

Just because Hutler was an atheist, it doesn't mean that all NAZIs were

But are we certain that the man who made it possible for the Catholic Chuch to draw tithes directly from peoples paychecks, had all his holidays in the most Catholic part of Germany surrounded by Catholic bodyguards while killing "the murderers of Christ" (and the gays) was truly an atheist ?

That's the thing, he wasn't an atheist lol

[The New California Republic]

Just because Hutler was an atheist, it doesn't mean that all NAZIs were

But are we certain that the man who made it possible for the Catholic Chuch to draw tithes directly from peoples paychecks, had all his holidays in the most Catholic part of Germany surrounded by Catholic bodyguards while killing "the murderers of Christ" (and the gays) was truly an atheist ?

We may need to concede that Hutler, Hitler's derpy brother, may have been an atheist.

[Kuameme]

If god does exist, why do I still suffer?

[The Margaritas]

so much can be scientifically proven, but how was the universe made? My belief is that God made the universe, and let science do its thing.

[Aussandries]

so much can be scientifically proven, but how was the universe made? My belief is that God made the universe, and let science do its thing.

I'll rate that

[Genivaria]

Then perhaps you shouldn't lie if you don't want to be called out on it.

How exactly was I lying?

Are, not was. You are continuing to lie in claiming that Hitler was an atheist, the only ones who usually spout that line are the religious who are trying to slander atheists via guilt by association.

There literally is zero evidence that Hitler was an atheist.

[Genivaria]

The claim that "Hitler was an atheist" is objectively wrong.

"Hitler was politically prudent enough not to trumpet his scientific views publicly, not least because he wanted to maintain the distinction between his own movement and the godlessness of Soviet Communism. Nor was he a thorough atheist. His public utterances are peppered with references to 'God' and 'Spirit'. For Hitler the eschatological truths that he found in his perception of the race represented the real 'eternal will that rules the universe'; in the infinite value of the race and the struggle to sustain it men find what they might call God, an inner sense of the unity and purposiveness of nature and history ... What Hitler could not accept was that Christianity could offer anything other than false 'ideas' to sustain its claim to moral certitude." — Excerpt from The Dictators: Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia by Richard Overy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists#Nazi_Germany

Or maybe he was a bullshit artist

Are you a time-traveling mind reader now?

[Genivaria]

so much can be scientifically proven, but how was the universe made? My belief is that God made the universe, and let science do its thing.

What does 'and let science do its thing' even mean?
Science is a tool that humans use to understand the world.

[Dogmeat]

You're the one who started it.

Where?

Firstly, Hitler was an atheist.

The Nazis had "God is with us" written on their belt buckles. All it would have taken God to sort this out is one strongly worded letter.

Just because Hutler was an atheist, it doesn't mean that all NAZIs were

This is literally what I told you when you brought it up. Since the entire point I was making was that Nazis were generally Christian (either Catholic or Lutheran), and might be receptive to God's intervention, you telling me now that Nazis weren't atheists as though I didn't know that is... I don't know man. Kinda dumb.

And if that's the point you were making, then why did you bring up Hitler at all?