Both were also not very fond of the British.
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by The Blaatschapen » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:58 am
by Estanglia » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:58 am
Australian rePublic wrote:All I read in this thread is "cancer, cancer, cancer". Let me tell you a story. I almost died when I was 5 years old (not from cancer, but death is death). I don't even know how I survived this long. In addition to that, and seperate to that, I have a genetic disease called Thallasemia Minor, I have aspberger's syndrome. All of these don't mean that God isn't real. All of these don't mean that God is evil. Just because you don't understand why God does something, it doesn't mean that God is evil. I learnt that the hard way. (And no, before you strawman me, I am NOT saying that cancer is good. We should try to fight cancer as hard as possible, as we are doing, which is an excellent thing). Atheists keep talking about how morality is subjective, and indeed, 200 years ago, it was perfectly considered perfectly acceptable to think that one race was superior to other races, yet we changed our perspective of that, why? (Well, in all honesty, because Hitler took that concept way too far, causing the rest of us to see how idiotic it was.) Up until 200 years ago, slavery was perfectly acceptable, but then we abandoned it, why, I don't know. Now as for cancer, cancer is an evil and horrible thing, I rhink so, you think so and God thinks so. So why does God allow such a horrid thing to exist? I don't know. What I do know however, is that we humans cannot agree on what is good and evil, because we don't have access to the bigger picture, God who has access to the bigger picture, is capable of knowing how to run the universe, and has remained fairly consistant with His morality. Why does God allow cancer? Does He enjoy watch people suffer? No, of coarse not, in fact, it's the opposite, God suffers with them. So why does He allow cancer? I don't know. All I know ia that God is more knowlegable than me. Trying to argue that God is evil for the simple reason that you don't understand His will, is like trying to argue that your mechanic is evil because you don't understand why He changed the motor oil. Trying to argue that God is evil because you don't understand His will, is like trying to argue that your hotel receptionist is evil, because you don't understand why she's charging you for room service, etc.
United States of Americanas wrote:I believe in God Jesus and The Holy Spirit but not in any way that traditional religion portrays them.
Traditional religion says that the gays will be condemned and those who masturbate or view porn or “sin” will be condemned.
JESUS DIED ON A FUCKING CROSS TO SET US FREE FROM THE LAWS OF SIN AND DEATH. HE HUNG THERE FOR HORRIBLE AGONIZING DEATH TO SET US FREE BUT INSTEAD THE CHURCHES CONTINUE TO PUSH THE HELL AND BRIMSTONE BULLSHIT.
Therefore yes, I believe in God but I have created my own religion. The core beliefs are as follows.
1. God is universal love existing everywhere and nowhere at all times. He is lawful and lawless at the same time and he will approach his followers and attempt to reach people to become connected with them by whatever avenue the person is comfortable receiving God.
2. God set a rainbow in the sky after the great flood and decreed that he shall never strike the earth or its people’s. In addition is one and only son died an agonizing death to set us free from the tyranny of religious doctrinal laws of sin and death. Therefore the vast majority of The Bible and most holy texts are null and void.
3. ALL ARE AUTOMATICALLY ENTITLED TO LIFE IN THE HEAVENS. PERIOD. (Some May need to undergo purification processes before entry. Nonetheless ALL SHALL ENTER THE GOLDEN GATES!)
Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
by The Alma Mater » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:08 am
by Australian rePublic » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:18 am
Ausinia wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:Yea, but by your own argument, you can't prove that aliens, and by your own argument lack of evidence is evodence of absense. If that logic doesn't apply to aleins which live in time and space, how does that logic apply to God which exists outside of time and space
Interesting that you ask a question, get at least 5 answers and reply to the one you see fallacies, but hey, I’m not here to judge.
by United States of Americanas » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:21 am
by Australian rePublic » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:22 am
Thuzbekistan wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:In English
In English
My point is that we shouldn't get too caught up o n terminology
You cant just say "in English" and act like that saved you. You're gonna have to go back to the oldest copies you have and explain how this creation myth is just bad translation.
by Purpelia » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:30 am
United States of Americanas wrote:I deleted my well thought out reply and will no longer partake in any religious discussions here.
I thought this was a forum where people would be polite and non judgmental but instead people rip my writing to shreds and defile the HOLY TRUTH.
So GOOD DAY TO YOU ALL.
by The Alma Mater » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:32 am
Purpelia wrote:United States of Americanas wrote:I deleted my well thought out reply and will no longer partake in any religious discussions here.
I thought this was a forum where people would be polite and non judgmental but instead people rip my writing to shreds and defile the HOLY TRUTH.
So GOOD DAY TO YOU ALL.
Sorry to break it to you but it's the internet. The worst hive of scum and villainy you'll ever find.
by Purpelia » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:33 am
by Adavoya » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:34 am
by United States of Americanas » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:35 am
by The Shrailleeni Empire » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:37 am
New Edom wrote:Elizabeth Salt remarked, "It's amazing, isn't it, you rarely see modern troops that wear their 19th century uniforms and gear so well--they must drill all the time. Is this a guards outfit?"
Sif said to her, "This is a modern Shrailleeni Empire military parade. Like as in this is what they wear, this is what they use. This is it."
by Purpelia » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:46 am
United States of Americanas wrote:Mods, I request that this thread be locked. It is unhealthy flame bait.
by Australian rePublic » Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:49 am
by Hrythingland » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:09 am
United States of Americanas wrote:I deleted my well thought out reply and will no longer partake in any religious discussions here.
I thought this was a forum where people would be polite and non judgmental but instead people rip my writing to shreds and defile the HOLY TRUTH.
So GOOD DAY TO YOU ALL.
by Salandriagado » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:48 am
The Free Joy State wrote:Salandriagado wrote:
Nobody is discussing terminology here. We're discussing if torturing children to death is an evil act.
*looks at thread topic*
Funny! I could've sworn it was "Why Do/Don't You Believe in God", not "On the Torture of Children". I don't share Aussie's beliefs, but the wideness of the topic would allow for a variety of acceptable branches, I'd have thought.
by Wrapper » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:51 am
Hrythingland wrote:If you do not like that then go away and grow up, you infantile anti-intellectual.
by Salandriagado » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:51 am
by Salandriagado » Sat Jan 19, 2019 6:01 am
Australian rePublic wrote:Sorry about not replying to the aliens question, but I was like 15 pages behind in reading this thread when I posted it, and it takes time to formulate a response. I have a life outside of this thread. So here we go. I won't reply to all of them individually, as they're all similar, so here we go:
1. Do we humans know every creature that exists on this planet? Do we know every creature that exists in the ocean? If the answer is no, then we move on to the next question...
2. If we are incapable of knowing every creature on our planet, then how are we capable of knowing what lies outside our galaxy? We don't. We can't even imagine what life in other galaxies would look like. If we saw a creature from a different galaxy, would we even recognise it as human life? If not
3. If we would be unable to determine whether or not a creature that shares a universe with us constitues as life, how are we going to determine whether or not a creature which exists outside of time and space exists.
If we can't even identify a creature within time and space, how are we going to identify a creature outside of time and space?
Now, if that (for lack of a better word) "creature" wishes to interact with us, and we keep an open mind, we can see its interactions.
If it decides to manifest itself to us, then we can identify it as conscious.
Otherwise, how would we be able to identify it.
Considering that we can't even agree about whether or not a virus, an organism which lives inside us, is alive,
how will be able to indentify the conscious of something which exists outside of time and space?
Now all of this assumes that anythibg exists outside of time and space. Which I'll address in my next point:
4. Many here believe in the concept of a multiverse.
If you don't believe in the multiverse, then fine, you can argue that nothing exists outside of time and space.
If you do believe ina multiverse, then, by definition, things do exist outside of time and space. The various universes exist outside of time and space.
Now, if multiple universes exist, there may be an overseer overlooking one or more of these universe.
This overseer, would probably be god.
Now, if multiple universes don't exist then it's still possible that sentient being/s exist outside of time and space.
If we can't even prove whether or not aliens exist in time and space, how would we even beging to know how to prove the existence of something outside of time and space?
The only thing we could do is examine our lives, and try to determine whether or not its interacting with us in a such a manner that said interaction is not apparent, unless we actively look for it with an open mind.
by The New California Republic » Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:12 am
United States of Americanas wrote:I deleted my well thought out reply and will no longer partake in any religious discussions here.
I thought this was a forum where people would be polite and non judgmental but instead people rip my writing to shreds and defile the HOLY TRUTH.
So GOOD DAY TO YOU ALL.
by Heraswed » Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:16 am
by Olthar » Sat Jan 19, 2019 8:25 am
by New Legland » Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:38 am
United States of Americanas wrote:Mods, I request that this thread be locked. It is unhealthy flame bait.
by Telcz » Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:48 am
by New Legland » Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:59 am
Australian rePublic wrote:1. Do we humans know every creature that exists on this planet? Do we know every creature that exists in the ocean? If the answer is no, then we move on to the next question...
Australian rePublic wrote:2. If we are incapable of knowing every creature on our planet, then how are we capable of knowing what lies outside our galaxy? We don't. We can't even imagine what life in other galaxies would look like. If we saw a creature from a different galaxy, would we even recognise it as human life? If not
Australian rePublic wrote:3. If we would be unable to determine whether or not a creature that shares a universe with us constitues as life, how are we going to determine whether or not a creature which exists outside of time and space exists. If we can't even identify a creature within time and space, how are we going to identify a creature outside of time and space? Now, if that (for lack of a better word) "creature" wishes to interact with us, and we keep an open mind, we can see its interactions. If it decides to manifest itself to us, then we can identify it as conscious. Otherwise, how would we be able to identify it. Considering that we can't even agree about whether or not a virus, an organism which lives inside us, is alive, how will be able to indentify the conscious of something which exists outside of time and space? Now all of this assumes that anythibg exists outside of time and space. Which I'll address in my next point:
Australian rePublic wrote:4. Many here believe in the concept of a multiverse. If you don't believe in the multiverse, then fine, you can argue that nothing exists outside of time and space. If you do believe ina multiverse, then, by definition, things do exist outside of time and space. The various universes exist outside of time and space. Now, if multiple universes exist, there may be an overseer overlooking one or more of these universe. This overseer, would probably be god. Now, if multiple universes don't exist then it's still possible that sentient being/s exist outside of time and space. If we can't even prove whether or not aliens exist in time and space, how would we even beging to know how to prove the existence of something outside of time and space? The only thing we could do is examine our lives, and try to determine whether or not its interacting with us in a such a manner that said interaction is not apparent, unless we actively look for it with an open mind.
New Legland wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:Why?
For one, the main justification for belief in aliens is simply the vastness of the universe and that probability suggests that as it has occurred once, there is a very high chance it has occurred elsewhere. Meanwhile, justifications that I've seen for belief in a god similar to this are based off of the appearance of the universe to be designed and the probability that it was pure chance. The differences lie when you consider that belief in aliens is based off of the already known existence of life, but (this justification, anyway) belief in a god is based off of conjecture with a god as an explanation. There are a few arguments against the supposed design of the universe, but I'll leave it at that. Also, you don't see many people claiming that they believe in a god, but that they believe in their god. While the justification shown above could be considered evidence for a god, it says nothing for specific gods. And I recognize that many people have had experiences with their god, but testimonials don't do much for actual evidence and many people of different faiths have had these experiences. Meanwhile, the vast majority of people don't believe in any specific kind of alien, just the fact that life of some form exists out there.
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