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by Novo Vaticanus » Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:56 am
by Novo Vaticanus » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:00 am
Actully, God is genderless. Refering to God with male pronouns is because of a bad mistranslation
by Novo Vaticanus » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:01 am
by Salandriagado » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:01 am
Thermodolia wrote:Valrifell wrote:
I'd like to point out that even with God, you'd have trouble with the "first mover" problem. Like, who created God? Himself? How is that different from just accepting a universe without first motion, feels like religious folk are just adding an unnecessary step.
The idea is that god always existed and always has.
by Novo Vaticanus » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:04 am
by Esternial » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:06 am
British Tackeettlaus wrote:I'm an atheist, but I really like jesus. A agree with a lot of his views on acceptance, love and charity. Less so on his stuff about the kingdom of heaven, and being the son of God, the messaih.
by Randsidia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:07 am
Australian rePublic wrote:Randsidia wrote:
This.
The universe doesn't have to have an origin. All notions of "origin" imply a "beginning", which fit our current understanding of time. But to ask what happened before the big bang is as meaningless a question as to ask how apples tasted before apples existed.
THIS is theism. The only difference is that we believe that one of those things that existed before the Big Bang happened to be sentient. I think that THAT's the key between an educated theist and an educated atheist. We can all agree that there was a bunch of stuff that's always existed, the question is whether or not any of them are sentient
by The Blaatschapen » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:12 am
Novo Vaticanus wrote:There is no good argument against the Catholic faith, change my mind
by Salandriagado » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:15 am
by Novo Vaticanus » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:15 am
by Novo Vaticanus » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:17 am
by The Blaatschapen » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:18 am
Novo Vaticanus wrote:The blAAtschApen wrote:
Nah, why should I put in the effort for that?
To see whether or not your disbelief holds any water or not, haha.
You always see atheists trying to poke holes in the faith, but the fact that God is a God of truth, means that we Catholics have the fullness of truth on our side, and should therefore never be scared to go on the offensive.
That being said, intellectual sparring is just good ass fun, dontchya think?
by Novo Vaticanus » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:22 am
The blAAtschApen wrote:Novo Vaticanus wrote:To see whether or not your disbelief holds any water or not, haha.
You always see atheists trying to poke holes in the faith, but the fact that God is a God of truth, means that we Catholics have the fullness of truth on our side, and should therefore never be scared to go on the offensive.
That being said, intellectual sparring is just good ass fun, dontchya think?
I don't need to poke holes in your faith.
If it gives you strength, go for it. Just don't sell it to me, I'm not buying
by The Blaatschapen » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:24 am
Novo Vaticanus wrote:The blAAtschApen wrote:
I don't need to poke holes in your faith.
If it gives you strength, go for it. Just don't sell it to me, I'm not buying
Mmm, but see, that's the thing. Inaction of the spirit is even worse than being purposefully inflammatory. The argument is not just whether or not you should be Catholic; the whole reasoning, at it's core, is that everybody ought to care, because it'll assuredly effect you greatly later on.
by Novo Vaticanus » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:36 am
The blAAtschApen wrote:Novo Vaticanus wrote:Mmm, but see, that's the thing. Inaction of the spirit is even worse than being purposefully inflammatory. The argument is not just whether or not you should be Catholic; the whole reasoning, at it's core, is that everybody ought to care, because it'll assuredly effect you greatly later on.
And that is where proselytizers are not making any friends
It's enormously arrogant to think that others need saving. I'm a functioning adult, if I need help, I'll ask for it
by The Blaatschapen » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:40 am
Novo Vaticanus wrote:The blAAtschApen wrote:
And that is where proselytizers are not making any friends
It's enormously arrogant to think that others need saving. I'm a functioning adult, if I need help, I'll ask for it
Mmm, if the evangelization we do was really done out of like, virtue signaling, I would see exactly what you mean. I especially hate when evangelical protestants try and do it, like it's some kind of virtue competition haha.
But, the thing is, the entire reason we do what we do, is that we really feel a deep desire to share in this lasting happiness that's found in the faith, which can't really be found anywhere else. It's not that you're just a dumb heathen in need of saving or something, that's far from it. If that was the only reason we were spreading the faith, I'd want it to end immediately. It's that, you're a dignified human being, and that you really deserve to be a part of the family that God wants us all to be in, you know?
Sorry for the relatively phatass post, it's just an easy thing for me, personally, to get excited and passionate about lmao <3
by Novo Vaticanus » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:48 am
The blAAtschApen wrote:Good for you. Use that passion to accomplish something actually good for the world. Feed the poor
See, I disagree that lasting happiness can only be found in 'the' faith. Can you prove that?
Besides that, is happiness really worth pursuing? I'm not an American after all (I'm facetious here, huge hedonist actually)
And indeed, I am a dignified human being
by Ifreann » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:41 am
by Petrolheadia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:59 am
Novo Vaticanus wrote:There is no good argument against the Catholic faith, change my mind
Novo Vaticanus wrote:The blAAtschApen wrote:Good for you. Use that passion to accomplish something actually good for the world. Feed the poor
See, I disagree that lasting happiness can only be found in 'the' faith. Can you prove that?
Besides that, is happiness really worth pursuing? I'm not an American after all (I'm facetious here, huge hedonist actually)
And indeed, I am a dignified human being
Well actually, the Catholic Church is the single largest provider of charity on the entire planet. It's very much a part of the mission of the faith to feed the poor, visit the sick, clothe the naked, etc.
Novo Vaticanus wrote:Again, it's not to virtue signal, but because it's borne of a true and authentic longing to bring as many people to the table of God as possible, you feel?
Novo Vaticanus wrote:And yeah, of course lasting happiness can only be found in the faith man! It's the only thing that satisfies the eudaemonic desire in us to be a part of something much, much bigger than ourselves.
Novo Vaticanus wrote:Pursuing money, fame, glory, and material gratification are all temporary ways of being satisfied, and they don't really hit that spot in our soul, you know? That's why the people who surround themselves with that stuff are often times the most miserable people on the planet.
Novo Vaticanus wrote:On whether or not happiness is worth pursuing, it's gotta be man. God isn't just a God of justice, and truth, and all of that stuff; He's a God of ALL that's good, including happiness. So naturally happiness is worth pursuing, it's the logical end to us being here, on Earth.
Novo Vaticanus wrote:Ye bastards are a buncha pasty, wishy washy agnostics, haha. Ily all <3
but fr though Catholic gang roll out, yuh aye prr
Actually, on a serious note, where tf are all of the classical Thomistic thinkers at? The Catholic tradition of scholasticism is so potent and strong, there seriously oughta be more of us here. It's sad to me when people say that there's no evidence for God, or that they don't care enough to pursue Him. If there's even a tiny chance that He exists, then why wouldn't you invest everything into making sure you aren't in the wrong place, spiritually? We papists say it all the time, "the wages of sin is eternal life or death."
Tread lightly my friends, and may the Peace of Christ be with you all <3
by Salandriagado » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:46 am
Novo Vaticanus wrote:The blAAtschApen wrote:
I don't need to poke holes in your faith.
If it gives you strength, go for it. Just don't sell it to me, I'm not buying
Mmm, but see, that's the thing. Inaction of the spirit is even worse than being purposefully inflammatory. The argument is not just whether or not you should be Catholic; the whole reasoning, at it's core, is that everybody ought to care, because it'll assuredly effect you greatly later on.
by The World Capitalist Confederation » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:49 am
Novo Vaticanus wrote:The blAAtschApen wrote:
Nah, why should I put in the effort for that?
To see whether or not your disbelief holds any water or not, haha.
You always see atheists trying to poke holes in the faith, but the fact that God is a God of truth, means that we Catholics have the fullness of truth on our side, and should therefore never be scared to go on the offensive.
That being said, intellectual sparring is just good ass fun, dontchya think?
by Thermodolia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:50 am
Australian rePublic wrote:Bienenhalde wrote:
On the contrary, it seems that many people who have difficult lives turn to religion as a source of solace, while people who are materially wealthy and have things handed to them on a silver platter are more likely to be religiously apathetic. Of course, such trends do not hold true for all individuals.
If God didn't exist, life would be easier. Now I have the fear of hell hanging over my head
by Thermodolia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:51 am
by Thermodolia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:54 am
Novo Vaticanus wrote:Ye bastards are a buncha pasty, wishy washy agnostics, haha. Ily all <3
but fr though Catholic gang roll out, yuh aye prr
Actually, on a serious note, where tf are all of the classical Thomistic thinkers at? The Catholic tradition of scholasticism is so potent and strong, there seriously oughta be more of us here. It's sad to me when people say that there's no evidence for God, or that they don't care enough to pursue Him. If there's even a tiny chance that He exists, then why wouldn't you invest everything into making sure you aren't in the wrong place, spiritually? We papists say it all the time, "the wages of sin is eternal life or death."
Tread lightly my friends, and may the Peace of Christ be with you all <3
by Thermodolia » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:56 am
Novo Vaticanus wrote:There is no good argument against the Catholic faith, change my mind
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