NATION

PASSWORD

Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
The Caleshan Valkyrie
Envoy
 
Posts: 347
Founded: Oct 07, 2004
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Caleshan Valkyrie » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:36 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Olthar wrote:Why would an altruistic, loving God makes flowers that smell nice and then arbitrarily make a portion of the population unable to smell those flowers? It's just cruel and inhumane.

And lower back pain. Fallen arches. "In his image ..." I bet God doesn't have body odor or gas.


Or autoimmune disorders. Those suck.
Godulan Puppet #2, RPing as technologically advanced tribal society combined between several groups of ancient arabs and mongols with vikings.

Current Intro RP: Gravity Ships and Garden Snips

User avatar
Dogmeat
Minister
 
Posts: 2074
Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Dogmeat » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:06 pm

Olthar wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:And lower back pain. Fallen arches. "In his image ..." I bet God doesn't have body odor or gas.

I also doubt God ever had acne, and I'm sure he has a full head of hair.

I don't know man. There was that one time God killed a bunch of kids for calling Elisha bald. Obviously it's a touchy issue for him.

User avatar
Olthar
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59414
Founded: Jun 23, 2010
Corporate Police State

Postby Olthar » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:18 pm

Dogmeat wrote:
Olthar wrote:I also doubt God ever had acne, and I'm sure he has a full head of hair.

I don't know man. There was that one time God killed a bunch of kids for calling Elisha bald. Obviously it's a touchy issue for him.

Ooo, good point. Maybe God is bald. Maybe that's why we exist! God created a world where with men and women and made only one go bald so as to foster insecurity all so that we would eventually develop Rogaine and give God a way to cure his own baldness. That's why the second coming of Jesus hasn't happened yet: he's waiting for us to perfect hair restoration.
The Second Cataclysm: My New RP

Roll Them Bones: A Guide to Dice RPs

My mommy says I'm special.
Add 37 to my post count for my previous nation.

Copy and paste this into your signature if you're a unique and special individual who won't conform to another person's demands.

User avatar
Dogmeat
Minister
 
Posts: 2074
Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Dogmeat » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:21 pm

Olthar wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:I don't know man. There was that one time God killed a bunch of kids for calling Elisha bald. Obviously it's a touchy issue for him.

Ooo, good point. Maybe God is bald. Maybe that's why we exist! God created a world where with men and women and made only one go bald so as to foster insecurity all so that we would eventually develop Rogaine and give God a way to cure his own baldness. That's why the second coming of Jesus hasn't happened yet: he's waiting for us to perfect hair restoration.

This also explains why Picard is still bald in the 24th Century. They realized that curing him would bring about Armageddon.

User avatar
Olthar
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59414
Founded: Jun 23, 2010
Corporate Police State

Postby Olthar » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:24 pm

Dogmeat wrote:
Olthar wrote:Ooo, good point. Maybe God is bald. Maybe that's why we exist! God created a world where with men and women and made only one go bald so as to foster insecurity all so that we would eventually develop Rogaine and give God a way to cure his own baldness. That's why the second coming of Jesus hasn't happened yet: he's waiting for us to perfect hair restoration.

This also explains why Picard is still bald in the 24th Century. They realized that curing him would bring about Armageddon.

It all makes sense! We need to destroy the beauty industry before they destroy us all!
The Second Cataclysm: My New RP

Roll Them Bones: A Guide to Dice RPs

My mommy says I'm special.
Add 37 to my post count for my previous nation.

Copy and paste this into your signature if you're a unique and special individual who won't conform to another person's demands.

User avatar
Kubra
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10945
Founded: Apr 15, 2006
Libertarian Police State

Postby Kubra » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:04 am

Of course I believe in god
I mean, I'm right here.
I'm also a slob in public transit.
“Atomic war is inevitable. It will destroy half of humanity: it is going to destroy immense human riches. It is very possible. The atomic war is going to provoke a true inferno on Earth. But it will not impede Communism.”
-Comrade Posadas

User avatar
Gutulia
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 148
Founded: Jan 05, 2019
Moralistic Democracy

Postby Gutulia » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:45 am

I believe in god because I will met god after I'm died
R E P U B L I C O F G U T U L I A
Persatuan – Identitas – Kemakmuran

Embassy Program

User avatar
An Alan Smithee Nation
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1843
Founded: Apr 18, 2018
New York Times Democracy

Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:53 am

Gutulia wrote:I believe in god because I will met god after I'm died


Have you died already?

User avatar
Frievolk
Minister
 
Posts: 3363
Founded: Jun 14, 2018
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Frievolk » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:57 am

Gutulia wrote:I believe in god because I will met god after I'm died

...
what
OOC
Libertarian Constitutionalist
Part-time Anarchist
Anti-Monotheist
Iranian Nationalist
Templates
♔ The Frievolker Empire || Frievolker Kaiserreik
♔ The Realm in the Sun || De Reik in de Sonne
♔ Led by Kaiser Johann, Part of the Erstwelt
I've written 42,232 words worth of Factbook in the last 4 days, and now my "Creativity" reserve is almost completely depleted.

User avatar
New haven america
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 28905
Founded: Oct 08, 2012
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby New haven america » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:59 am

Frievolk wrote:
Gutulia wrote:I believe in god because I will met god after I'm died

...
what

Shhh, don't question the living dead, they ironically don't got time for that.
Human of the male variety
Will accept TGs
Char/Axis 2020

That's all folks~

User avatar
Western Vale Confederacy
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 7599
Founded: Nov 09, 2014
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:00 am

Frievolk wrote:
Gutulia wrote:I believe in god because I will met god after I'm died

...
what


We are witnessing a religious experience right here, folks!

User avatar
The Free Joy State
Senior Issues Editor
 
Posts: 6063
Founded: Jan 05, 2014
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby The Free Joy State » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:04 am

Frievolk wrote:
Gutulia wrote:I believe in god because I will met god after I'm died

...
what

I believe they're saying that they believe in God so that they will meet God after they have died.

As for me, I am an equivocal believer. I choose to believe, because I like the idea of there being a higher power. I admit that I may be wrong, and I do not believe that belief is in anyway better to disbelief (in fact, I can't fully explain my own theism -- a highly religious early school may have something to do with it).
Last edited by The Free Joy State on Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:05 am, edited 1 time in total.
"If there's a book that you want to read, but it hasn't been written yet, then you must write it." - Toni Morrison

The Writer's Block Possible Issue Error? or Unusual Issue Effects? (check OPs) Current Issues (Spoilers!)

My nation is not representative of my beliefs or politics.

User avatar
Frievolk
Minister
 
Posts: 3363
Founded: Jun 14, 2018
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Frievolk » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:07 am

In all seriousness though, I can't for certain say whether or not a species of entities with the descriptions attributed to the Christian-Islamic god exists or not, but I am absolutely and completely Certain that if it is possible that such an entity exists, there is definitely more than one of it.
OOC
Libertarian Constitutionalist
Part-time Anarchist
Anti-Monotheist
Iranian Nationalist
Templates
♔ The Frievolker Empire || Frievolker Kaiserreik
♔ The Realm in the Sun || De Reik in de Sonne
♔ Led by Kaiser Johann, Part of the Erstwelt
I've written 42,232 words worth of Factbook in the last 4 days, and now my "Creativity" reserve is almost completely depleted.

User avatar
Salandriagado
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 17524
Founded: Apr 03, 2008
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Salandriagado » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:18 am

Upper Ireland wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:I know this one ... nothing can come from nothing, everything has to have a beginning, uhm ... we don't know everything so it must be God. Oh, and flagellas and irreducible complexity. *nodnod*

That's quite a bit of it, I guess.


You realise that's literally a list of arguments that don't work, right?
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

User avatar
Page
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8898
Founded: Jan 12, 2012
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Page » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:42 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Frievolk wrote:...
what

I believe they're saying that they believe in God so that they will meet God after they have died.

As for me, I am an equivocal believer. I choose to believe, because I like the idea of there being a higher power. I admit that I may be wrong, and I do not believe that belief is in anyway better to disbelief (in fact, I can't fully explain my own theism -- a highly religious early school may have something to do with it).


Is belief really something you can choose? I can't do that.

If someone hooked you up to a machine that could read your mind and said "If you can truly believe that there is an invisible pink unicorn in this room right now, I'll give you a million dollars." But no matter how much one wants the money, the incentive would make them wish they believed but couldn't actually change what they believed. Some things you can't convince yourself of no matter how much you want to.
I am a libertarian socialist.
I am ungovernable.
I owe no allegiance to any state.
I am bound to my conscience, not to the law.
I stand for liberty, justice, and peace.

User avatar
Esternial
P2TM RP Mentor
 
Posts: 51571
Founded: May 09, 2009
Democratic Socialists

Postby Esternial » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:54 am

It seems most likely that God doesn't exist with what we collectively know, but I'm not opposed to its existence if solid evidence came about.

Currently a lot of "evidence" is things people can't explain, which to me only reinforces the likelihood "God" is just a construct to blame/credit things to that we can't properly explain or process (emotionally, intellectually, etc.).

But hey, to each their own.

User avatar
The Free Joy State
Senior Issues Editor
 
Posts: 6063
Founded: Jan 05, 2014
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby The Free Joy State » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:00 am

Page wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:I believe they're saying that they believe in God so that they will meet God after they have died.

As for me, I am an equivocal believer. I choose to believe, because I like the idea of there being a higher power. I admit that I may be wrong, and I do not believe that belief is in anyway better to disbelief (in fact, I can't fully explain my own theism -- a highly religious early school may have something to do with it).


Is belief really something you can choose? I can't do that.

If someone hooked you up to a machine that could read your mind and said "If you can truly believe that there is an invisible pink unicorn in this room right now, I'll give you a million dollars." But no matter how much one wants the money, the incentive would make them wish they believed but couldn't actually change what they believed. Some things you can't convince yourself of no matter how much you want to.

I don't want to debate this at length but there's something of a difference between the concept of a god/s and a pink unicorn.

God/s' existence/nonexistence is unconfirmable. There can never be any firm evidence for or against. If you believe, you choose to have hope, faith, call it what you want. You can say maybe/possibly there is or probably/almost definitely there isn't (or you can go the whole hog and say "there definitely is; my path is the one true path and no-one will ever convince me otherwise" -- but that's their business).

With something that can never be confirmed, that's the best anyone can do.

The absence of pink unicorns is confirmable.
"If there's a book that you want to read, but it hasn't been written yet, then you must write it." - Toni Morrison

The Writer's Block Possible Issue Error? or Unusual Issue Effects? (check OPs) Current Issues (Spoilers!)

My nation is not representative of my beliefs or politics.

User avatar
Uan aa Boa
Diplomat
 
Posts: 613
Founded: Apr 23, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Uan aa Boa » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:01 am

When discussing these issues it probably helps to consider what it means to exist and what it would mean to be God. Are we asking whether out of all the things there are in the universe one of them satisfies the requirements of God's job description? Or are we asking something else?

User avatar
Esternial
P2TM RP Mentor
 
Posts: 51571
Founded: May 09, 2009
Democratic Socialists

Postby Esternial » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:08 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Page wrote:
Is belief really something you can choose? I can't do that.

If someone hooked you up to a machine that could read your mind and said "If you can truly believe that there is an invisible pink unicorn in this room right now, I'll give you a million dollars." But no matter how much one wants the money, the incentive would make them wish they believed but couldn't actually change what they believed. Some things you can't convince yourself of no matter how much you want to.

I don't want to debate this at length but there's something of a difference between the concept of a god/s and a pink unicorn.

God/s' existence/nonexistence is unconfirmable. There can never be any firm evidence for or against. If you believe, you choose to have hope, faith, call it what you want. You can say maybe/possibly there is or probably/almost definitely there isn't (or you can go the whole hog and say "there definitely is; my path is the one true path and no-one will ever convince me otherwise" -- but that's their business).

With something that can never be confirmed, that's the best anyone can do.

The absence of pink unicorns is confirmable.

Well, if you go with someone (relatively) less outlandish like aliens, you get the same discussion.

You can never 100% confirm the absence of intelligent alien life.

The main distinction I see is that God is being credited with a much wider array of deeds - mostly because (as I see it) God is a personification of "something we cannot understand".

User avatar
Salandriagado
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 17524
Founded: Apr 03, 2008
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Salandriagado » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:10 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Page wrote:
Is belief really something you can choose? I can't do that.

If someone hooked you up to a machine that could read your mind and said "If you can truly believe that there is an invisible pink unicorn in this room right now, I'll give you a million dollars." But no matter how much one wants the money, the incentive would make them wish they believed but couldn't actually change what they believed. Some things you can't convince yourself of no matter how much you want to.

I don't want to debate this at length but there's something of a difference between the concept of a god/s and a pink unicorn.

God/s' existence/nonexistence is unconfirmable. There can never be any firm evidence for or against. If you believe, you choose to have hope, faith, call it what you want. You can say maybe/possibly there is or probably/almost definitely there isn't (or you can go the whole hog and say "there definitely is; my path is the one true path and no-one will ever convince me otherwise" -- but that's their business).

With something that can never be confirmed, that's the best anyone can do.

The absence of pink unicorns is confirmable.


The absence of invisible pink unicorns, however, is not. Any non-deist god, additionally, is something that we can confirm the absence of.

And you still haven't answered the actual question: how do you choose to believe something? That's simply not how human cognition works.
Last edited by Salandriagado on Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:15 am, edited 1 time in total.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

User avatar
The blAAtschApen
Retired Moderator
 
Posts: 51608
Founded: Antiquity
Forumer Mod

Postby The blAAtschApen » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:11 am

Esternial wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:I don't want to debate this at length but there's something of a difference between the concept of a god/s and a pink unicorn.

God/s' existence/nonexistence is unconfirmable. There can never be any firm evidence for or against. If you believe, you choose to have hope, faith, call it what you want. You can say maybe/possibly there is or probably/almost definitely there isn't (or you can go the whole hog and say "there definitely is; my path is the one true path and no-one will ever convince me otherwise" -- but that's their business).

With something that can never be confirmed, that's the best anyone can do.

The absence of pink unicorns is confirmable.

Well, if you go with someone (relatively) less outlandish like aliens, you get the same discussion.

You can never 100% confirm the absence of intelligent alien life.

The main distinction I see is that God is being credited with a much wider array of deeds - mostly because (as I see it) God is a personification of "something we cannot understand".


Soooo

God is a woman?
Former mod, now a rocker mocker. Thank you Ringo
Heaven is other people
Behind the invisible hand of the market hides the iron fist of the state.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect - Mark Twain
Silent is an anagram of listen.
Proud adopter of a lamb called violet: http://imgur.com/a/pxnSf
Male. Please address me as 'he'.
This is the 8th line. If your sig is longer than mine, it is too long.

User avatar
Alvecia
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 17352
Founded: Aug 17, 2015
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Alvecia » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:17 am

The Free Joy State wrote:
Page wrote:
Is belief really something you can choose? I can't do that.

If someone hooked you up to a machine that could read your mind and said "If you can truly believe that there is an invisible pink unicorn in this room right now, I'll give you a million dollars." But no matter how much one wants the money, the incentive would make them wish they believed but couldn't actually change what they believed. Some things you can't convince yourself of no matter how much you want to.

I don't want to debate this at length but there's something of a difference between the concept of a god/s and a pink unicorn.

God/s' existence/nonexistence is unconfirmable. There can never be any firm evidence for or against. If you believe, you choose to have hope, faith, call it what you want. You can say maybe/possibly there is or probably/almost definitely there isn't (or you can go the whole hog and say "there definitely is; my path is the one true path and no-one will ever convince me otherwise" -- but that's their business).

With something that can never be confirmed, that's the best anyone can do.

The absence of pink unicorns is confirmable.

A Dragon in my Garage would be a better comparison perhaps.
British
Atheist
IT Support
That there is no exception to the rule "There is an exception to every rule" is the exception that proves the rule.
---
Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll stop asking you to catch his fish.
That's not happening
That shouldn't be happening
Why is that happening?
That's why it's happening?
How has this ever worked?

User avatar
Esternial
P2TM RP Mentor
 
Posts: 51571
Founded: May 09, 2009
Democratic Socialists

Postby Esternial » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:19 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Esternial wrote:Well, if you go with someone (relatively) less outlandish like aliens, you get the same discussion.

You can never 100% confirm the absence of intelligent alien life.

The main distinction I see is that God is being credited with a much wider array of deeds - mostly because (as I see it) God is a personification of "something we cannot understand".


Soooo

God is a woman?

I made that very easy.

User avatar
The Free Joy State
Senior Issues Editor
 
Posts: 6063
Founded: Jan 05, 2014
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby The Free Joy State » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:29 am

Salandriagado wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:I don't want to debate this at length but there's something of a difference between the concept of a god/s and a pink unicorn.

God/s' existence/nonexistence is unconfirmable. There can never be any firm evidence for or against. If you believe, you choose to have hope, faith, call it what you want. You can say maybe/possibly there is or probably/almost definitely there isn't (or you can go the whole hog and say "there definitely is; my path is the one true path and no-one will ever convince me otherwise" -- but that's their business).

With something that can never be confirmed, that's the best anyone can do.

The absence of pink unicorns is confirmable.


The absence of invisible pink unicorns, however, is not. Any non-deist god, additionally, is something that we can confirm the absence of.

And you still haven't answered the actual question: how do you choose to believe something? That's simply not how human cognition works.


Alvecia wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:I don't want to debate this at length but there's something of a difference between the concept of a god/s and a pink unicorn.

God/s' existence/nonexistence is unconfirmable. There can never be any firm evidence for or against. If you believe, you choose to have hope, faith, call it what you want. You can say maybe/possibly there is or probably/almost definitely there isn't (or you can go the whole hog and say "there definitely is; my path is the one true path and no-one will ever convince me otherwise" -- but that's their business).

With something that can never be confirmed, that's the best anyone can do.

The absence of pink unicorns is confirmable.

A Dragon in my Garage would be a better comparison perhaps.

I appreciate you haven't got any fresh blood in awhile, but perhaps save it for those who were actually arguing? Okay? I merely expressed a -- not especially vocal -- opinion in a thread that asks for my opinion.

And to answer Salandriagado: I researched multiple religions and beliefs, read extensively, realised that I couldn't be sure and then chose to take a blind leap.
Last edited by The Free Joy State on Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:30 am, edited 1 time in total.
"If there's a book that you want to read, but it hasn't been written yet, then you must write it." - Toni Morrison

The Writer's Block Possible Issue Error? or Unusual Issue Effects? (check OPs) Current Issues (Spoilers!)

My nation is not representative of my beliefs or politics.

User avatar
Uan aa Boa
Diplomat
 
Posts: 613
Founded: Apr 23, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Uan aa Boa » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:33 am

Alvecia wrote:A Dragon in my Garage would be a better comparison perhaps.

Presumably a dragon in your garage would have to be physically present within a small defined volume of space and detectable in the usual ways we use to detect physical objects. I don't think many believers suggest that God is physically present in space in this way.

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: British Tackeettlaus, DVVK, Ethel mermania, Google [Bot], Ifreann, Majestic-12 [Bot], Page, Proctopeo, Risottia, The Galactic Liberal Democracy, Valrifell, Western Vale Confederacy

Advertisement

Remove ads