Why do/don't you believe in a higher power? (Any HP)

[The New California Republic]

My word salad example was better.

Mine has the historical cred, though.

Not read one one Chomsky's books in years. It's been so long that I can't even remember which one it was. I have purges of my bookshelves every few months to get rid of the old ones unfortunately, but the next purge might make room for that one you have mentioned.

[DACOROMANIA]

I know surely that God exist and I believe in Him. I experienced something about His existence by Eastern Orthodox Christianity. I seen also that some people who practice Occultism cannot support exactly the Holy senses of Eastern Orthodox Christianity, rather than any other types of Christianity (or even Mozaism/Judaism).

How could you experience something about the existence of God that He may exist ?
That is a big question, because you have things to do, especially an ascetic practice for a considerable number of days or months and you have to release your pride outside.
And as a Christian you have to pray unstoppable (even in your heart).
"Sola fides" don't apply to Eastern Christianity where you have to prove yourself as Christian by actions.
"God the Creator, if you exist I want to know you and teach me".
It's a very hard practice where you may feel yourself like a "Buddha" by doing that. However, if you are still a bad sinner in your heart, in mind and in facts during that practice then you done nothing.
But... if you are a greedy sinner atheist who believes himself to be the sunshine of mankind... then you'll never get to know the God.

[Thermodolia]

Well, maybe the universe does not favor us, but certainly someone created it.

Based on...what? Why does someone need to have created it?

I mean it’s not impossible to think that someone created the Big Bang and then fucked off

[Thermodolia]

Any god that punishes people for not believing in things that have no evidence for them is so utterly insane that (1) guessing its wishes and intentions is utterly impossible; and (2) you don't want to be stuck in what it considers "paradise".

You're entire premise works on the assumption that God punishes people who don't believe in Him

Um have you read the Bible? It pretty much states that those who don’t believe in god are going to hell

[Thermodolia]

It's literally proven. It's not even hard to prove, basically a one-liner.



No it wasn't: there was plenty of evidence for it. We knew that air exists, because we could feel it, and we knew that it contained something that kept us alive, because people died when separated from it.



No it wasn't. We knew that we thought, because we experienced thinking.



No it wasn't. We knew that it existed, because we could see the effects.



Yes I can (modulo the fact that you keep insisting on horribly misusing the word "prove": we're not talking about pure mathematics (except where I used it above), so it has no business in this conversation). We can observe its effects, calculate the mass of the universe, and notice that it's higher than the mass that we can observe, and therefore conclude that something else exists.



And you'd keep being wrong. Broadly, your mistake is simple: you mistake "fully understand every aspect of a thing" for "have any evidence at all for a thing".



No they don't. They are developed. They are enhanced. Scientific theories do not go away.



No science involved. That was much closer to being a religious claim than any kind of science.



No, science came into being, demonstrated that the previous, non-scientific claims were bullshit, and replaced it.



It does, however, provide evidence in that direction. Kindly drop the utterly absurd assumption that the only possible states of knowledge are "proven beyond all doubt" and "we know absolutely nothing, therefore we can make up whatever other bullshit we like to fill the gap". Neither of those is ever the case, for statements about the universe.

Don't tell me that you can see air, as air is invisible.

No it’s not. Air is actually quite visible.

Don't tell me that you can hear air, as air makes no sound, don't tell me that you can feel, taste, or smell air.

Actually air can be heard. It’s actually why you hear sounds. The vibrations in the air make the sounds. Air does have a smell to it but it’s pretty faint.

Up until space travel was invented, the ONLY method of not receiving air was drowning.

What is choking? What is suffocation?

THEREFORE, by your own logic, you can conclude that air is just an absence of water

Only if you use faulty reasoning

[Fartsniffage]

Mine has the historical cred, though.

Not read one one Chomsky's books in years. It's been so long that I can't even remember which one it was. I have purges of my bookshelves every few months to get rid of the old ones unfortunately, but the next purge might make room for that one you have mentioned.

Just do what I did. Buy a house and turn one of the rooms into a library.

[Des-Bal]

Russel's Teapot. Not much else to say.

[Thermodolia]

Russel's Teapot. Not much else to say.

With all space junk floating around I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a teapot up there

[Kowani]

Russel's Teapot. Not much else to say.

With all space junk floating around I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a teapot up there

Probably broke a satellite too.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

The true gods are the Goa'uld.

[Wunderstrafanstalt]

I know surely that God exist and I believe in Him. I experienced something about His existence by Eastern Orthodox Christianity. I seen also that some people who practice Occultism cannot support exactly the Holy senses of Eastern Orthodox Christianity, rather than any other types of Christianity (or even Mozaism/Judaism).

How could you experience something about the existence of God that He may exist ?
That is a big question, because you have things to do, especially an ascetic practice for a considerable number of days or months and you have to release your pride outside.
And as a Christian you have to pray unstoppable (even in your heart).
"Sola fides" don't apply to Eastern Christianity where you have to prove yourself as Christian by actions.
"God the Creator, if you exist I want to know you and teach me".
It's a very hard practice where you may feel yourself like a "Buddha" by doing that. However, if you are still a bad sinner in your heart, in mind and in facts during that practice then you done nothing.
But... if you are a greedy sinner atheist who believes himself to be the sunshine of mankind... then you'll never get to know the God.

Routine repeated practice and religious "investment" is the thing that leads to loyalty, I know that from personal experience.

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

I know surely that God exist and I believe in Him. I experienced something about His existence by Eastern Orthodox Christianity. I seen also that some people who practice Occultism cannot support exactly the Holy senses of Eastern Orthodox Christianity, rather than any other types of Christianity (or even Mozaism/Judaism).

How could you experience something about the existence of God that He may exist ?
That is a big question, because you have things to do, especially an ascetic practice for a considerable number of days or months and you have to release your pride outside.
And as a Christian you have to pray unstoppable (even in your heart).
"Sola fides" don't apply to Eastern Christianity where you have to prove yourself as Christian by actions.
"God the Creator, if you exist I want to know you and teach me".
It's a very hard practice where you may feel yourself like a "Buddha" by doing that. However, if you are still a bad sinner in your heart, in mind and in facts during that practice then you done nothing.
But... if you are a greedy sinner atheist who believes himself to be the sunshine of mankind... then you'll never get to know the God.

Sounds like a lot of work to get to know a total assclown.

[Deutschess Kaiserreich]

This may be controversial but here it goes.

The existence of the idea of a "God" disgust me. Not because there is no evidence that such a being exists. The idea that a supreme being controls all of us is abhorrent. We are free beings and the idea of god... god is the slaver of humanity. The very "fear" of a beast that can strike you down as soon as you disobey the church is... wrong. But I must say that good things have also happened like the idea of morals and that one should help others lest a god turn their city to salt.

But I do believe in one god!

OUR LORD AND SAVOIR THE FLYING SPEGGTI MONSTER! ALL HAIL THE LORD OF BEER AND STRIPPERS

[Wunderstrafanstalt]

This may be controversial but here it goes.

The existence of the idea of a "God" disgust me. Not because there is no evidence that such a being exists. The idea that a supreme being controls all of us is abhorrent. We are free beings and the idea of god... god is the slaver of humanity. The very "fear" of a beast that can strike you down as soon as you disobey the church is... wrong. But I must say that good things have also happened like the idea of morals and that one should help others lest a god turn their city to salt.

But I do believe in one god!

OUR LORD AND SAVOIR THE FLYING SPEGGTI MONSTER! ALL HAIL THE LORD OF BEER AND STRIPPERS

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Well that's the issue I'm currently facing, if my religion is true then the universe is ruled by a (not necessarily evil, a lot of the moral stuff are objectively great) dictatorial omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient figure that you have to obey or else and you cannot do anything about it. Despising Kim Jong Un doesn't make him not exist, especially if you live inside the kingdom.

[Fartsniffage]

This may be controversial but here it goes.

The existence of the idea of a "God" disgust me. Not because there is no evidence that such a being exists. The idea that a supreme being controls all of us is abhorrent. We are free beings and the idea of god... god is the slaver of humanity. The very "fear" of a beast that can strike you down as soon as you disobey the church is... wrong. But I must say that good things have also happened like the idea of morals and that one should help others lest a god turn their city to salt.

But I do believe in one god!

OUR LORD AND SAVOIR THE FLYING SPEGGTI MONSTER! ALL HAIL THE LORD OF BEER AND STRIPPERS

(Image)

Well that's the issue I'm currently facing, if my religion is true then the universe is ruled by a (not necessarily evil, a lot of the moral stuff are objectively great) dictatorial omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient figure that you have to obey or else and you cannot do anything about it. Despising Kim Jong Un doesn't make him not exist, especially if you live inside the kingdom.

Kim Jong Un can show up at your house. God has been conspicuously absent since we figured out that eating rotting grain can cause hallucinations.

[Godular]

The true gods are the Goa'uld.

Hallowed are the Ori, you wretched heathen!

[Bienenhalde]

Well that's the issue I'm currently facing, if my religion is true then the universe is ruled by a (not necessarily evil, a lot of the moral stuff are objectively great) dictatorial omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient figure that you have to obey or else and you cannot do anything about it. Despising Kim Jong Un doesn't make him not exist, especially if you live inside the kingdom.

Have you considered studying Sufism or other forms of mysticism?

[Sneudal]

As an Agnostic person i don't confirm or deny the existance of a God, nor do i follow a specific religion for that matter. Only two ways to find out for sure: either he/she/it proves it, or we'll meet him/her/it on the day we die (or we don't, in which case it never mattered anyways).

[Sneudal]

This may be controversial but here it goes.

The existence of the idea of a "God" disgust me. Not because there is no evidence that such a being exists. The idea that a supreme being controls all of us is abhorrent. We are free beings and the idea of god... god is the slaver of humanity. The very "fear" of a beast that can strike you down as soon as you disobey the church is... wrong. But I must say that good things have also happened like the idea of morals and that one should help others lest a god turn their city to salt.

But I do believe in one god!

OUR LORD AND SAVOIR THE FLYING SPEGGTI MONSTER! ALL HAIL THE LORD OF BEER AND STRIPPERS

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Are we really?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

This may be controversial but here it goes.

The existence of the idea of a "God" disgust me. Not because there is no evidence that such a being exists. The idea that a supreme being controls all of us is abhorrent. We are free beings and the idea of god... god is the slaver of humanity. The very "fear" of a beast that can strike you down as soon as you disobey the church is... wrong. But I must say that good things have also happened like the idea of morals and that one should help others lest a god turn their city to salt.

But I do believe in one god!

OUR LORD AND SAVOIR THE FLYING SPEGGTI MONSTER! ALL HAIL THE LORD OF BEER AND STRIPPERS

(Image)

I just got touched by his noodly appendage.

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

As an Agnostic person i don't confirm or deny the existance of a God, nor do i follow a specific religion for that matter. Only two ways to find out for sure: either he/she/it proves it, or we'll meet him/her/it on the day we die (or we don't, in which case it never mattered anyways).

I used to be like you, calling myself agnostic. Then I discovered that agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive.

As an agnostic atheist I admit that it is impossible to prove that a god doesn’t exist, but in the absence of any evidence supporting the position that a god DOES exist it is necessary to default to the negation of that position.

It’d be pretty silly to do otherwise. Would one look both ways before crossing the street, see that there are no cars, then still avoid crossing because maybe there’s some undetectable god-car trundling stealthily along at the worst possible moment?

[Elenir]

As an Agnostic person i don't confirm or deny the existance of a God, nor do i follow a specific religion for that matter. Only two ways to find out for sure: either he/she/it proves it, or we'll meet him/her/it on the day we die (or we don't, in which case it never mattered anyways).

I used to be like you, calling myself agnostic. Then I discovered that agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive.

As an agnostic atheist I admit that it is impossible to prove that a god doesn’t exist, but in the absence of any evidence supporting the position that a god DOES exist it is necessary to default to the negation of that position.

It’d be pretty silly to do otherwise. Would one look both ways before crossing the street, see that there are no cars, then still avoid crossing because maybe there’s some undetectable god-car trundling stealthily along at the worst possible moment?

Then you are a gnostic lmao, you actively deny the existance of god

[The Liberated Territories]

I don't believe in any god(s) because I don't find any convincing reason for me to do so. As far as I am concerned religion is nothing but an organized racket, and little differs between the Catholic Church and the Church of Scientology.

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

I used to be like you, calling myself agnostic. Then I discovered that agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive.

As an agnostic atheist I admit that it is impossible to prove that a god doesn’t exist, but in the absence of any evidence supporting the position that a god DOES exist it is necessary to default to the negation of that position.

It’d be pretty silly to do otherwise. Would one look both ways before crossing the street, see that there are no cars, then still avoid crossing because maybe there’s some undetectable god-car trundling stealthily along at the worst possible moment?

Then you are a gnostic lmao, you actively deny the existance of god

Your assessment is flawed. Would you like me to link you to the relevant chart?

Here it is anyway:

You’ll note that in my previous statements I’ve specifically stated that without evidence to back up your claim, I’ve no reason to treat your god as anything more than an imaginary friend that you’re just a little too invested in. I could just as easily presume that the universe was sneezed into existence by the Great Green Arkleseizure, and that would have every bit the same amount of material support as the idea of this god thingie.

Does this mean that I deny the fact that it cannot fully be DISproven? Nope.

[Thermodolia]

This may be controversial but here it goes.

The existence of the idea of a "God" disgust me. Not because there is no evidence that such a being exists. The idea that a supreme being controls all of us is abhorrent. We are free beings and the idea of god... god is the slaver of humanity. The very "fear" of a beast that can strike you down as soon as you disobey the church is... wrong. But I must say that good things have also happened like the idea of morals and that one should help others lest a god turn their city to salt.

But I do believe in one god!

OUR LORD AND SAVOIR THE FLYING SPEGGTI MONSTER! ALL HAIL THE LORD OF BEER AND STRIPPERS

(Image)

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