Supreme Court and LGBT Job Bias

[Des-Bal]

why should any law be enforced then?

Race, religon or sexual orientation does not affect ones ability to do the job therefore it should not be a factor in terminating an employee

To stop a serious harm.

That means an employer who fires such an employee is making a bad decision and nothing else. This is the result of the terrible question you keep asking- it doesn't fucking matter if doing it is a good or bad idea. The only issue is whether we should threaten businesses into not doing it.

[Scomagia]

Why the state should be called upon to bring it's violence to bear. I don't know why I'm telling you this because there is no possible way you won't just ask the same incorrect question and be confused about the correct question in like two minutes it's like groundhog hour.

No one is being killed, the evil that you seek to avert is just a business making a decision with criteria you don't approve of.

why should any law be enforced then?

Race, religon or sexual orientation does not affect ones ability to do the job therefore it should not be a factor in terminating an employee

To preserve the natural rights of citizens from being trampled by other citizens. Employment is not a natural right. Not being discriminated against is not a natural right.

[San Lumen]

why should any law be enforced then?

Race, religon or sexual orientation does not affect ones ability to do the job therefore it should not be a factor in terminating an employee

To stop a serious harm.

That means an employer who fires such an employee is making a bad decision and nothing else. This is the result of the terrible question you keep asking- it doesn't fucking matter if doing it is a good or bad idea. The only issue is whether we should threaten businesses into not doing it.

So I should just accept I was fired for who I am?

[Des-Bal]

The decay of public order due to private discrimination is very real. There were two regimes within the old order: empire and feudalism.

The alternative to public justice is the private whims of fiefdoms. And things are usually a lot worse off.

Pre-modern, in fact.

So if we were to repeal the civil rights act it would mean returning to fiefdoms. Fascinating.

[Pagan Trapistan]

That means an employer who fires such an employee is making a bad decision and nothing else.

Not nothing else. Theyre engaging in corruption.

[Scomagia]

To stop a serious harm.

That means an employer who fires such an employee is making a bad decision and nothing else. This is the result of the terrible question you keep asking- it doesn't fucking matter if doing it is a good or bad idea. The only issue is whether we should threaten businesses into not doing it.

So I should just accept I was fired for who I am?

Yes.

[San Lumen]

So I should just accept I was fired for who I am?

Yes.

Why should I have to when I did my job well?

[Pagan Trapistan]

So if we were to repeal the civil rights act it would mean returning to fiefdoms. Fascinating.

Slavery operated in literal fiefdoms. What do you call putting slaves out in the fields of a private house?

[Des-Bal]

So I should just accept I was fired for who I am?

So you should do a fucking cartwheel, I don't care. It's not about what you should do it's about restraining a private citizen.

And by the by:

I don't know why I'm telling you this because there is no possible way you won't just ask the same incorrect question and be confused about the correct question in like two minutes it's like groundhog hour.

Fucking called it.

[Des-Bal]

Slavery operated in literal fiefdoms. What do you call putting slaves out in the fields of a private house?

Do you think the civil right act of 1964 repealed slavery?

Why should I have to when I did my job well?

Why should someone be allowed to stop being your friend if they find out you're gay?

Because you were never entitled to their friendship, the same way you were never entitled to your job.

[Pagan Trapistan]

It's not about what you should do it's about restraining a private citizen.

A business is not private. It acts in the public sphere. What you do in your bedroom is private.

[Scomagia]

Yes.

Why should I have to when I did my job well?

Because you don't have a right to associate with those who don't want to associate with you.

[San Lumen]

So I should just accept I was fired for who I am?

So you should do a fucking cartwheel, I don't care. It's not about what you should do it's about restraining a private citizen.

And by the by:

I don't know why I'm telling you this because there is no possible way you won't just ask the same incorrect question and be confused about the correct question in like two minutes it's like groundhog hour.

Fucking called it.

A whites only policy or no gays allowed at a restaurant or store is perfectly acceptable to you. Got it.

Just like a job application saying someone not of the caucasian race need not apply would be ok?

[Des-Bal]

A business is not private. It acts in the public sphere. What you do in your bedroom is private.

To act in the public sphere is meaningless.

[San Lumen]

Slavery operated in literal fiefdoms. What do you call putting slaves out in the fields of a private house?

Do you think the civil right act of 1964 repealed slavery?

Why should I have to when I did my job well?

Why should someone be allowed to stop being your friend if they find out you're gay?

Because you were never entitled to their friendship, the same way you were never entitled to your job.

a friendship and a workplace are not the same thing

[Scomagia]

So you should do a fucking cartwheel, I don't care. It's not about what you should do it's about restraining a private citizen.

And by the by:



Fucking called it.

A whites only policy or no gays allowed at a restaurant or store is perfectly acceptable to you. Got it.

Just like a job application saying someone not of the caucasian race need not apply would be ok?

Yes.

[Pagan Trapistan]

Do you think the civil right act of 1964 repealed slavery?

No, but they were still second class citizens. I don't consider feudalism and caste system that different.

[Des-Bal]

A whites only policy or no gays allowed at a restaurant or store is perfectly acceptable to you. Got it.

Just like a job application saying someone not of the caucasian race need not apply would be ok?

You are seriously just not following this conversation. You keep asking the same questions, what the hell?

Yes any of those things should be legal no I don't find any of them acceptable.

[Pagan Trapistan]

To act in the public sphere is meaningless.

It isn't, because we have a state that enforces it.

[Des-Bal]

a friendship and a workplace are not the same thing

That would be evident in the fact they're described with two different words, the key is to demonstrate how they're different. A private citizen is choosing who they associate with.

No, but they were still second class citizens.

Neato, this isn't actually furthering any point.

[Scomagia]

Do you think the civil right act of 1964 repealed slavery?



Why should someone be allowed to stop being your friend if they find out you're gay?

Because you were never entitled to their friendship, the same way you were never entitled to your job.

a friendship and a workplace are not the same thing

Should prostitutes (provided prostitution is legal) have to sleep with black men even if they don't like black men? They're providing a service to the public, after all. By your logic they should have to service any customer, right?

[Pagan Trapistan]

Should prostitutes (provided prostitution is legal) have to sleep with black men even if they don't like black men? They're providing a service to the public, after all. By your logic they should have to service any customer, right?

No, but it would be legitimate to defrock them for discriminating on the basis of race.

Let them discriminate privately.

[San Lumen]

A whites only policy or no gays allowed at a restaurant or store is perfectly acceptable to you. Got it.

Just like a job application saying someone not of the caucasian race need not apply would be ok?

You are seriously just not following this conversation. You keep asking the same questions, what the hell?

Yes any of those things should be legal no I don't find any of them acceptable.

I dont see why it ought to be legal.

[Des-Bal]

I dont see why it ought to be legal.

Because you're the wrong question. You are persistently asking the wrong question, why something should be legal rather than why we should issue a demand backed by violence to restrain a person's choices over it.

[Scomagia]

You are seriously just not following this conversation. You keep asking the same questions, what the hell?

Yes any of those things should be legal no I don't find any of them acceptable.

I dont see why it ought to be legal.

Yet you cant make a case for why it should be illegal.