Supreme Court and LGBT Job Bias

[San Lumen]

Is that your only response?

Why do you think you can keep asking the same question without getting the same answer?

Because I dont understand why you think people should be able to treated differently because of their skin color, religion or sexual orientation.

If someone doesnt want to serve everyone then have private club. What is the violence you speak of by the state?

[Uiiop]

Why do you think you can keep asking the same question without getting the same answer?

Because I dont understand why you think people should be able to treated differently because of their skin color, religion or sexual orientation.

If someone doesnt want to serve everyone then have private club. What is the violence you speak of by the state?

Law enforcement basically.
Even if the punishment is just a fine or something the fine is enforced by the threat of what happens when you don't pay and when you keep disobeying(I.e jail, tazers, getting shot, etc.) .
I don't blame you in particular for not getting this basic as it is . I passe high school and i learned all of this on the internet.

[San Lumen]

Because I dont understand why you think people should be able to treated differently because of their skin color, religion or sexual orientation.

If someone doesnt want to serve everyone then have private club. What is the violence you speak of by the state?

Law enforcement basically.
Even if the punishment is just a fine or something the fine is enforced by the threat of what happens when you don't pay and when you keep disobeying(I.e jail, tazers, getting shot, etc.) .
I don't blame you in particular for not getting this basic as it is . I passe high school and i learned all of this on the internet.

If you dont like the law challenge it in court that its unfair or defy it and tell the employee to sue. Discrimination is not a right.

Who I sleep with is none of my employers business and they do not have right to fire me over it as it does not affect my ability to do the job

[Des-Bal]

Because I dont understand why you think people should be able to treated differently because of their skin color, religion or sexual orientation.

If someone doesnt want to serve everyone then have private club. What is the violence you speak of by the state?

Because the alternative is the state bringing it's violence to bear.

The idea of a "private club" concedes that the thing you're concerned with isn't actually that important, you accept that it should be possible to treat people differently based on their skin color religion or sexual orientation.

I have spelled this out several times but the executive is an organ of violence. Laws are enforced by violence and the ultimate threat of violence.

[Pagan Trapistan]

Because the alternative is the state bringing it's violence to bear.

Sometimes state "violence" is better than private violence. Discriminatory private violence is not better than public justice.

[Scomagia]

Sometimes state "violence" is better than private violence. Discriminatory private violence is not better than public justice.

Discrimination is not violence.

[Scomagia]

Employees can quit for any reason, including the race of their fellow employers, the manager, or the customer base. Employees are allowed to discriminate but employers aren't. This is an unequal restriction of the right to free association.

If you don't mind i would like to do my own research on this before attacking this assertion.
However only San seems to be the one saying these types of things and he isn't what you call an accurate measurement of anyone's opinion other than his own.

San is the one who's here, though. I can't argue with people who aren't posting in the thread.

[Uiiop]

Sometimes state "violence" is better than private violence. Discriminatory private violence is not better than public justice.

Discrimination is not violence.

Well it could be not but only the sense that a state may decide not to enforce a fine.

[Pagan Trapistan]

Employees can quit for any reason, including the race of their fellow employers, the manager, or the customer base. Employees are allowed to discriminate but employers aren't. This is an unequal restriction of the right to free association.

The employer holds power and should be held accountable for that reason. But I do not think groups should be allowed to discriminate on the basis of race either.

[Uiiop]

If you don't mind i would like to do my own research on this before attacking this assertion.
However only San seems to be the one saying these types of things and he isn't what you call an accurate measurement of anyone's opinion other than his own.

San is the one who's here, though. I can't argue with people who aren't posting in the thread.

Currently but not the thread as a whole.

[Scomagia]

Law enforcement basically.
Even if the punishment is just a fine or something the fine is enforced by the threat of what happens when you don't pay and when you keep disobeying(I.e jail, tazers, getting shot, etc.) .
I don't blame you in particular for not getting this basic as it is . I passe high school and i learned all of this on the internet.

If you dont like the law challenge it in court that its unfair or defy it and tell the employee to sue. Discrimination is not a right.

Who I sleep with is none of my employers business and they do not have right to fire me over it as it does not affect my ability to do the job

You've got it so backwards it's laughable. You have no right to be employed. Stop acting so entitled.

[Pagan Trapistan]

Discrimination is not violence.

Maybe not directly, but firing someone for being black can be considered institutional violence. It effectively excludes them from employment. Same as banishment was often considered a death penalty.

Often a very minor difference. If you can't work, you may be homeless.

[Scomagia]

Employees can quit for any reason, including the race of their fellow employers, the manager, or the customer base. Employees are allowed to discriminate but employers aren't. This is an unequal restriction of the right to free association.

The employer holds power and should be held accountable for that reason. But I do not think groups should be allowed to discriminate on the basis of race either.

What power?

[Scomagia]

Discrimination is not violence.

Maybe not directly, but firing someone for being black can be considered institutional violence. It effectively excludes them from employment. Same as banishment was often considered a death penalty.

Often a very minor difference. If you can't work, you may be homeless.

Nope. That's not what violence means. Stop perverting words to fit your narrative.

[Pagan Trapistan]

You've got it so backwards it's laughable. You have no right to be employed. Stop acting so entitled.

You did have a right to be employed in the Soviet Union. If you don't now, that is... Correctable

[Pagan Trapistan]

What power?

Power over the workplace.

[Scomagia]

You've got it so backwards it's laughable. You have no right to be employed. Stop acting so entitled.

You did have a right to be employed in the Soviet Union. If you don't now, that is... Correctable

Nope. There's no such thing as a right to employment. Employment is not a natural right. In that case employment was a privilege granted by one of the most murderous, evil societies ever to exist. Not exactly a good way to make your case.

[Pagan Trapistan]

Nope. That's not what violence means. Stop perverting words to fit your narrative.

Institutional discrimination has usually been accompanied by actual violence. Your point is moot.

Trans people are discriminated against, AND they are mudered at a higher rate. The two are objectively correlated.

[Pagan Trapistan]

Employment is not a natural right.

There are no "natural" rights, only enforced rights.

[Scomagia]

Nope. That's not what violence means. Stop perverting words to fit your narrative.

Institutional discrimination has usually been accompanied by actual violence. Your point is moot.

Trans people are discriminated against, AND they are mudered at a higher rate. The two are objectively correlated.

Only violence is violence. Stop perverting language to fit your post modern bullshit.

Correlation does not imply causation. The only people to blame for violence are the ones who commit or incite it.

[Scomagia]

Employment is not a natural right.

There are no "natural" rights, only enforced rights.

We're done here. I have nothing to say to a person like you, honestly. Have a great day.

[San Lumen]

Because I dont understand why you think people should be able to treated differently because of their skin color, religion or sexual orientation.

If someone doesnt want to serve everyone then have private club. What is the violence you speak of by the state?

Because the alternative is the state bringing it's violence to bear.

The idea of a "private club" concedes that the thing you're concerned with isn't actually that important, you accept that it should be possible to treat people differently based on their skin color religion or sexual orientation.

I have spelled this out several times but the executive is an organ of violence. Laws are enforced by violence and the ultimate threat of violence.

Therefore i should have to hide my sexual orientation because my employer doesnt like gay people? Why should I have to worry about being fired because I posted a photo on social media?

You should face fines for bigotry. Why should you be denied service for someone you'd didnt choose?

[Scomagia]

Because the alternative is the state bringing it's violence to bear.

The idea of a "private club" concedes that the thing you're concerned with isn't actually that important, you accept that it should be possible to treat people differently based on their skin color religion or sexual orientation.

I have spelled this out several times but the executive is an organ of violence. Laws are enforced by violence and the ultimate threat of violence.

Therefore i should have to hide my sexual orientation because my employer doesnt like gay people? Why should I have to worry about being fired because I posted a photo on social media?

You should face fines for bigotry. Why should you be denied service for someone you'd didnt choose?

Again. Wrong. Question.

Why should you be compelled by threat of violence to interact with people you do not want to interact with?

[San Lumen]

Therefore i should have to hide my sexual orientation because my employer doesnt like gay people? Why should I have to worry about being fired because I posted a photo on social media?

You should face fines for bigotry. Why should you be denied service for someone you'd didnt choose?

Again. Wrong. Question.

Why should you be compelled by threat of violence to interact with people you do not want to interact with?

Because if you are open to the public your hire or serve all or none at all.

[Pagan Trapistan]

Correlation does not imply causation. The only people to blame for violence are the ones who commit or incite it.

If you are more easily murdered it is often because you are disempowered. If you discriminate against trans people on that basis you are responsable for their plight, whether you like it or not.