Supreme Court and LGBT Job Bias

[San Lumen]

Why not? Why should I have to hide that i have a boyfriend from my employer? It’s none of their business

Wrong. Question.

why do you keep saying that

[Des-Bal]

why do you keep saying that

Because you keep asking the wrong question. Employers are not the government, they aren't doling out entitlements they're citizens living their lives. The issue isn't why your employer should care or what lies you should or shouldn't have to tell to keep your job- it's about whether the state should bring it's monopoly on violence to bear and strip your employer of his right to associate with who he'd like.

[San Lumen]

why do you keep saying that

Because you keep asking the wrong question. Employers are not the government, they aren't doling out entitlements they're citizens living their lives. The issue isn't why your employer should care or what lies you should or shouldn't have to tell to keep your job- it's about whether the state should bring it's monopoly on violence to bear and strip your employer of his right to associate with who he'd like.

Why should my employer have the right to fire me because they find out im dating a guy or be able to say we dont hire Asians or anyone else non white? Being gay does not affect my ability to do the job

[Des-Bal]

Why should my employer have the right to fire me because they find out im dating a guy or be able to say we dont hire Asians or anyone else non white? Being gay does not affect my ability to do the job

Wrong question. This is the sixth fucking time.

[San Lumen]

Why should my employer have the right to fire me because they find out im dating a guy or be able to say we dont hire Asians or anyone else non white? Being gay does not affect my ability to do the job

Wrong question. This is the sixth fucking time.

Discrimination is not and should not be a right. And this nonsense you speak of regarding violence please give an example

[Des-Bal]

Discrimination is not and should not be a right. And this nonsense you speak of regarding violence please give an example

You have the right to do anything the government doesn't restrain you from.

And I'm not going to give you another explanation because the point has been explained to you at least four times. You're not "discussing anything" you're in some kind of loop where you say the same thing, miss the same point, and ask for the same information every single time you post- it's ridiculous.

[San Lumen]

Discrimination is not and should not be a right. And this nonsense you speak of regarding violence please give an example

You have the right to do anything the government doesn't restrain you from.

And I'm not going to give you another explanation because the point has been explained to you at least four times. You're not "discussing anything" you're in some kind of loop where you say the same thing, miss the same point, and ask for the same information every single time you post- it's ridiculous.

Therefore Kim Davis was unfairly prosecuted for refusing to do her job? Was it wrong of Eisenhower to send in the national Guard to enforce the Brown decision?

I guess according to you we should get rid of the Civil Rights Act as it’s wrong to tell someone they can’t be a bigot in the workplace when it comes to hiring or who they serve

[Des-Bal]

Therefore Kim Davis was unfairly prosecuted for refusing to do her job? Was it wrong of Eisenhower to send in the national Guard to enforce the Brown decision?

I guess according to you we should get rid of the Civil Rights Act as it’s wrong to tell someone they can’t be a bigot in the workplace when it comes to hiring or who they serve

Those are false conclusions because Kim Davis was acting on behalf of the government and Eisenhower was enforcing a decision about public schools.

Yes to the second bit.

[Pagan Trapistan]

Fortuanately, not many people openly entertain that employers should be able to be openly racist (or homophobic).

Apparently open racism, itself often leading to violence, isnt cause to bring down preventative governement "violence" (non-discrimination/justice).

Though the government is not usually actually violent in this instance, should we bring governemental violence to bear on discrimination? Yes, we should.

Private enterprise has no social value if it is allowed to discriminate. They are simply a criminal element at that point.

[Des-Bal]

Fortuanately, not many people openly entertain that employers should be able to be openly racist (or homophobic).

Apparently open racism, itself often leading to violence, isnt cause to bring down preventative governement "violence" (non-discrimination/justice).

Though the government is not usually actually violent in this instance, should we bring governemental violence to bear on discrimination? Yes, we should.

Private enterprise has no social value if it is allowed to discriminate. They are simply a criminal element at that point.

That was a series of statements you made. Nothing else to say bout it really.

[Pagan Trapistan]

That was a series of statements you made. Nothing else to say bout it really.

I think the last statement is on point. Discriminating employers are criminal elements. Its part of the same environment that engages in lynching.

[Telconi]

That was a series of statements you made. Nothing else to say bout it really.

I think the last statement is on point. Discriminating employers are criminal elements. Its part of the same environment that engages in lynching.

All employers discriminate.

[Scomagia]

Why not? Why should I have to hide that i have a boyfriend from my employer? It’s none of their business

Wrong. Question.

It's like talking to a wall...

[Scomagia]

I think the last statement is on point. Discriminating employers are criminal elements. Its part of the same environment that engages in lynching.

All employers discriminate.

All employees discriminate too but from this thread we've learned that's okay and doesn't count for...reasons.

[Scomagia]

Wrong question. This is the sixth fucking time.

Discrimination is not and should not be a right. And this nonsense you speak of regarding violence please give an example

It shouldn't be a right unless you're the employee for....some reason?

This is basic civics dude. Everything the government does is backed by the threat of violence. That's how they can compel individuals to comply with laws. It's so basic that I'm having a hard time believing that you are actually this ignorant.

[Uiiop]

All employers discriminate.

All employees discriminate too but from this thread we've learned that's okay and doesn't count for...reasons.

It's not like "There are reasons to discriminate that are vaild and there some that aren't" can't be easily inferred if not already outright stated.

[Scomagia]

All employees discriminate too but from this thread we've learned that's okay and doesn't count for...reasons.

It's not like "There are reasons to discriminate that are vaild and there some that aren't" can't be easily inferred if not already outright stated.

Which basically just means "employer's can't discriminate based on race and other factors but employees sure can because reasons".

[Uiiop]

It's not like "There are reasons to discriminate that are vaild and there some that aren't" can't be easily inferred if not already outright stated.

Which basically just means "employer's can't discriminate based on race and other factors but employees sure can because reasons".

Forgive me for jumping in but what do you mean by "But employees sure can"?

[Scomagia]

Which basically just means "employer's can't discriminate based on race and other factors but employees sure can because reasons".

Forgive me for jumping in but what do you mean by "But employees sure can"?

Employees can quit for any reason, including the race of their fellow employers, the manager, or the customer base. Employees are allowed to discriminate but employers aren't. This is an unequal restriction of the right to free association.

[San Lumen]

Therefore Kim Davis was unfairly prosecuted for refusing to do her job? Was it wrong of Eisenhower to send in the national Guard to enforce the Brown decision?

I guess according to you we should get rid of the Civil Rights Act as it’s wrong to tell someone they can’t be a bigot in the workplace when it comes to hiring or who they serve

Those are false conclusions because Kim Davis was acting on behalf of the government and Eisenhower was enforcing a decision about public schools.

Yes to the second bit.

Why is their a difference weren't her rights violated?

Why? If I go to hotel with my boyfriend or a restaurant why should they have a right to refuse to serve? If you are a business your serve or hire all or none at all unless you are private club.

[Uiiop]

Forgive me for jumping in but what do you mean by "But employees sure can"?

Employees can quit for any reason, including the race of their fellow employers, the manager, or the customer base. Employees are allowed to discriminate but employers aren't. This is an unequal restriction of the right to free association.

If you don't mind i would like to do my own research on this before attacking this assertion.
However only San seems to be the one saying these types of things and he isn't what you call an accurate measurement of anyone's opinion other than his own.

[San Lumen]

Employees can quit for any reason, including the race of their fellow employers, the manager, or the customer base. Employees are allowed to discriminate but employers aren't. This is an unequal restriction of the right to free association.

If you don't mind i would like to do my own research on this before attacking this assertion.
However only San seems to be the one saying these types of things and he isn't what you call an accurate measurement of anyone's opinion other than his own.

What types of things? If you want to quit because your manager is black thats your right but your employer cannot refuse to hire you because of your race and you should not be able to fire someone because of their sexual orientation.

[Des-Bal]

Why is their a difference weren't her rights violated?

Why? If I go to hotel with my boyfriend or a restaurant why should they have a right to refuse to serve? If you are a business your serve or hire all or none at all unless you are private club.

She wasn't acting as a private citizen she was acting as an instrument of the state. The state restraining itself is different than the state restraining private citizens.

Wrong question.

[San Lumen]

Why is their a difference weren't her rights violated?

Why? If I go to hotel with my boyfriend or a restaurant why should they have a right to refuse to serve? If you are a business your serve or hire all or none at all unless you are private club.

She wasn't acting as a private citizen she was acting as an instrument of the state. The state restraining itself is different than the state restraining private citizens.

Wrong question.

Is that your only response?

[Des-Bal]

Is that your only response?

Why do you think you can keep asking the same question without getting the same answer?