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Postby Agarntrop » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:59 pm

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US Law is not based on Religion. Never has been and never will be.


On the contrary a great deal of American law, especially in the 1800's and early 1900's was pretty much just Christian Moralism.

Not compared to most countries laws at the time, though.
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Postby Mingulay Isle » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:01 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
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US Law is not based on Religion. Never has been and never will be.


On the contrary a great deal of American law, especially in the 1800's and early 1900's was pretty much just Christian Moralism.

Abolition to name one :P

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Postby Sethtekia » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:03 pm

Regardless what you may think. I say owners should be allowed to discriminate against Gays. And it should be a religious right to not have to hire them in your company.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:05 pm

Sethtekia wrote:Regardless what you may think. I say owners should be allowed to discriminate against Gays. And it should be a religious right to not have to hire them in your company.

So you are basically ignoring what people are saying to you. What is the point in taking part in this discussion then?
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:13 pm

Sethtekia wrote:Regardless what you may think. I say owners should be allowed to discriminate against Gays. And it should be a religious right to not have to hire them in your company.


"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."
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Postby Kannap » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:16 pm

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The New California Republic wrote:I hope that the 1964 Civil Rights Act will be expanded to include LGBT, but I doubt that the current composition of SCOTUS will.



It's not the job of SCOTUS to expand legislation, that's on Congress. As written CRA64 just doesn't apply to sexual orientation.

Though you could make an interesting argument that it protects trans people.


As written it doesn't apply, but you add the words and it does apply. That's typically how the English language works.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:16 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Sethtekia wrote:Regardless what you may think. I say owners should be allowed to discriminate against Gays. And it should be a religious right to not have to hire them in your company.


"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."


Once more Vass, you don't get what that means.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:18 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:

It's not the job of SCOTUS to expand legislation, that's on Congress. As written CRA64 just doesn't apply to sexual orientation.

Though you could make an interesting argument that it protects trans people.


As written it doesn't apply, but you add the words and it does apply. That's typically how the English language works.


Well, yeah, but SCOTUS cannot add words to laws. You'd need the legislature to write an amendment to the law, and have it pass.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:20 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Sethtekia wrote:A business owner should be allpwed to discriminate who works for them. If a small family bookstore that specializes in religious texts. Or a christian bookstore.

Wait, am I missing something here? Do you think that gay people hate books or something?


I love books, if evidence is needed.
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Postby Aclion » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:20 pm

Kannap wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:

It's not the job of SCOTUS to expand legislation, that's on Congress. As written CRA64 just doesn't apply to sexual orientation.

Though you could make an interesting argument that it protects trans people.


As written it doesn't apply, but you add the words and it does apply. That's typically how the English language works.

That's not what the supreme court is for, that's what congress is for.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:20 pm

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:You have discrimination even in the public sector? Get your shit together, America.


We've got more discrimination than you could ever want over here.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:22 pm

Sethtekia wrote:Regardless what you may think. I say owners should be allowed to discriminate against Gays. And it should be a religious right to not have to hire them in your company.


Then we need to amend the Civil Rights Act to remove "Christian" from the protections. If you can refuse to hire gays, it should be legally acceptable for a gay business owner to refuse to hire Christians.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:22 pm

Kannap wrote:
Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:You have discrimination even in the public sector? Get your shit together, America.


We've got more discrimination than you could ever want over here.


Some level of discrimination is a good thing.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:23 pm

Aclion wrote:
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As written it doesn't apply, but you add the words and it does apply. That's typically how the English language works.

That's not what the supreme court is for, that's what congress is for.


Congress needs to get their act together then. The Supreme Court could rule that marriage extends to same sex couples at the federal level, what's the difference with extending discrimination protections?
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Postby Kannap » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:24 pm

Telconi wrote:
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We've got more discrimination than you could ever want over here.


Some level of discrimination is a good thing.


Not really.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:24 pm

Kannap wrote:
Aclion wrote:That's not what the supreme court is for, that's what congress is for.


Congress needs to get their act together then. The Supreme Court could rule that marriage extends to same sex couples at the federal level, what's the difference with extending discrimination protections?


Because it's really an open and shut case for marriage via the 14A. This however would plainly go against what the Civil Rights Act says, they'd be better off making a general 14th Amendment case.
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Postby Sethtekia » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:25 pm

Your all liberal retards. So you won't listen to reason no matter how much we show you any logical reason. Let Discrimination against LGBTQ+ it wont be long till they allow pedos.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:26 pm

Kannap wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Some level of discrimination is a good thing.


Not really.


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Postby Kannap » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:26 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
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Congress needs to get their act together then. The Supreme Court could rule that marriage extends to same sex couples at the federal level, what's the difference with extending discrimination protections?


Because it's really an open and shut case for marriage via the 14A. This however would plainly go against what the Civil Rights Act says, they'd be better off making a general 14th Amendment case.


How would this go against what the Civil Rights Act says?
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:27 pm

I maintain that sexual orientation and gender identity should be protected under the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Being gay doesn't make you any less capable at performing tasks.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:28 pm

Kannap wrote:
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Because it's really an open and shut case for marriage via the 14A. This however would plainly go against what the Civil Rights Act says, they'd be better off making a general 14th Amendment case.


How would this go against what the Civil Rights Act says?


Because the Civil Rights Act plainly doesn't apply to sexual orientation. You could make an argument that it applies to trans people but the LGB part are not protected under the law currently as it's written.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:29 pm

Kannap wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Because it's really an open and shut case for marriage via the 14A. This however would plainly go against what the Civil Rights Act says, they'd be better off making a general 14th Amendment case.


How would this go against what the Civil Rights Act says?


I think the issue is he Civil Rights act don't say anything one way or the other about sexual orientation.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:29 pm

The New California Republic wrote:I hope that the 1964 Civil Rights Act will be expanded to include LGBT, but I doubt that the current composition of SCOTUS will.


Expanding the 1964 Civil Rights Act would be the job of congress, not SCOTUS.

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Postby Senkaku » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:29 pm

I have full confidence that SCOTUS with its lovely new judges will fuck us over completely on this lol

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We've got more discrimination than you could ever want over here.


Some level of discrimination is a good thing.

Oh do explain to us how so lmao
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:30 pm

Senkaku wrote:I have full confidence that SCOTUS with its lovely new judges will fuck us over completely on this lol

Telconi wrote:
Some level of discrimination is a good thing.

Oh do explain to us how so lmao


Try reading like literally two more posts.
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