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Postby Novus America » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:45 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
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Well sure I doubt Putin cares to micromanage it so long as it pays its tribute.
Still I doubt political freedoms are particularly good, and probably run as a fiefdoms by local oligarchs.
Who certainly do care.


Then maybe a sudden influx of RED BLOODED AMERICAN LIBERAL JEWS CAN HELP OVERTHROW THIS TYRANNY AND INJECT SOME MUCH NEEDED JEWISH AMERICAN CHUTZPAH.


I mean alien space bats might take it over too.
Not going to happen.

And the big question is why? It might not be the worst place in the world. But hardly the best.
And there are only a tiny handful of Jews there anyways. Because most very few Jews actually want to live there.

I am sure Jews could find a better place in the highly unlikely event the US somehow becomes some anti Semitic dictatorship and Israel is no more.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:48 pm

Cloney wrote:well... the way I see it, as soon as you see signs of this you should wait to see a little of what is going on before making your decision, and if things go start to go south, get the hecc out of Dodge!

The problem is that it can sometimes be very difficult to judge it correctly. There are many cases throughout history of people misjudging when to leave, and getting trapped when borders are closed etc.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:52 pm

Novus America wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
Then maybe a sudden influx of RED BLOODED AMERICAN LIBERAL JEWS CAN HELP OVERTHROW THIS TYRANNY AND INJECT SOME MUCH NEEDED JEWISH AMERICAN CHUTZPAH.


I mean alien space bats might take it over too.
Not going to happen.

And the big question is why? It might not be the worst place in the world. But hardly the best.
And there are only a tiny handful of Jews there anyways. Because most very few Jews actually want to live there.

I am sure Jews could find a better place even in the highly unlikely even the US becomes some anti Semitic dictatorship and Israel is no more.

The day Israel ceases to exist is the day the nukes fly.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:00 pm

Thermodolia wrote:The day Israel ceases to exist is the day the nukes fly.

I'd entirely expect that Israel would use a nuclear weapon against enemy armored formations and the like in the event that it felt its existence was threatened, for example if the attack was on the same scale as The Yom Kippur War in 1973. To be honest they could even issue an ultimatum to the Arab states, saying that if Arab forces don't withdraw from Israeli territory within 24 hours then an Arab capital will be hit.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:02 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
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I mean alien space bats might take it over too.
Not going to happen.

And the big question is why? It might not be the worst place in the world. But hardly the best.
And there are only a tiny handful of Jews there anyways. Because most very few Jews actually want to live there.

I am sure Jews could find a better place even in the highly unlikely even the US becomes some anti Semitic dictatorship and Israel is no more.

The day Israel ceases to exist is the day the nukes fly.


This is your daily reminder that you're as much a Fifth Columnist as Kubumba is.
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:04 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The day Israel ceases to exist is the day the nukes fly.


This is your daily reminder that you're as much a Fifth Columnist as Kubumba is.


That's a thicc column right thar. ᕙ(⌐■ ͜つ■)ᕗ
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:06 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The day Israel ceases to exist is the day the nukes fly.


This is your daily reminder that you're as much a Fifth Columnist as Kubumba is.

Well that's not very nice.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:13 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The day Israel ceases to exist is the day the nukes fly.


This is your daily reminder that you're as much a Fifth Columnist as Kubumba is.

Hey I’m just stating that Israel is going to nuke everyone if she sees no other way out. They literally call it the Sampson Option
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:15 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The day Israel ceases to exist is the day the nukes fly.

I'd entirely expect that Israel would use a nuclear weapon against enemy armored formations and the like in the event that it felt its existence was threatened, for example if the attack was on the same scale as The Yom Kippur War in 1973. To be honest they could even issue an ultimatum to the Arab states, saying that if Arab forces don't withdraw from Israeli territory within 24 hours then an Arab capital will be hit.

They’ve stated that if there is no other option then they will nuke the world for not preventing another Holocaust. Israel would rather bring the world down in flames than die alone.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:15 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
This is your daily reminder that you're as much a Fifth Columnist as Kubumba is.

Hey I’m just stating that Israel is going to nuke everyone if she sees no other way out. They literally call it the Sampson Option


Don't lie Therm, we both know your real loyalties lay with Israel and not America.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:17 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Hey I’m just stating that Israel is going to nuke everyone if she sees no other way out. They literally call it the Sampson Option


Don't lie Therm, we both know your real loyalties lay with Israel and not America.

Says the guy with an IRA member for a flag.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:18 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
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Don't lie Therm, we both know your real loyalties lay with Israel and not America.

Says the guy with an IRA member for a flag.


Any proper American supports the destruction of the UK and a 32 county republic.
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Postby Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:49 pm

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Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:If there is ever a war where I am at, and there is a better place that I can reach, and it is worth the risks of the pathway to me, then I will leave. I am not hiding in a barn or abandoned house or the woods if there is a better option. Worst case scenario, I commit suicide to escape, if able, I will write a diary of it.

If by some extremely unlikely chance, there is a leader who wants to kill or prohibit me, I will do whatever I can to go.


I am going to say this as kindly as I physically can... so that your feelings aren't hurt, and the mods don't attempt to censor, or punish me. Which is one of the things you are all so afraid of, funnily enough. You are cowardly at best, and I question your manhood at worst, that is, assuming you are a man. You disappoint me, and, I do not even know you. I am sorry if these typed words hurt your delicate sensibilities. No, this is not an attempt to flame or troll, even though it will be taken as such, this is me exercising my freedom of speech, to voice my opinion, take it for what it's worth. Better yourself, cowardice is not an option, it is disgusting to me. If you wish to ban me for speaking my mind, then do as you will, I don't regret it. Please do not respond to me, I will not respond back, I have no interest in carrying a conversation with you, as I know it will go nowhere, and likely get the mods more incensed, as they are also soft, sheltered people imho. This was not an attempt to start an argument, even though it was disrespectful, I just physically cannot respect a coward,.. I am sorry, but I can't,... and yes I had to speak up.


I freely admit that I am cowardly. Cowarding saves lives occassionally, or at makes them better (I realise that not taking a risk is a risk itself, and that attempts to avoid danger can lead to even more). This is more of seeing danger and deciding it might be good to avoid the danger.

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Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:If there is ever a war where I am at, and there is a better place that I can reach, and it is worth the risks of the pathway to me, then I will leave. I am not hiding in a barn or abandoned house or the woods if there is a better option. Worst case scenario, I commit suicide to escape, if able, I will write a diary of it.

If by some extremely unlikely chance, there is a leader who wants to kill or prohibit me, I will do whatever I can to go.

It’s pretty sad that you would commit suicide instead of fighting the oppressors. If a fascist dictatorship took power in the US I’m good as dead. Why do I give them the pleasure of knowing that they drove me to kill myself? Why should I do that when I can fight them and make their lives hell.

You are worth more alive than dead.

Yes, I agree, but it is instantly more gratifying to end suffering and human minds like mine will tend to lean towards instant gratification, especially in extreme circumstance. Much like the quote about no one who jumps out of a building to escape burning to death is accused of suicide.
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Postby Izaakia » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:32 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Says the guy with an IRA member for a flag.


Any proper American supports the destruction of the UK and a 32 county republic.


Woah woah woah woah, calm down, any self respecting person clearly supports a united ireland, under the U.K.

In other news, let’s not forget that Israel doesn’t officially have nuclear weapons ;) ;)
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:36 am

Izaakia wrote:
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Any proper American supports the destruction of the UK and a 32 county republic.


Woah woah woah woah, calm down, any self respecting person clearly supports a united ireland, under the U.K.

In other news, let’s not forget that Israel doesn’t officially have nuclear weapons ;) ;)

They have nuclear weapons dude. It’s pretty much a know fact
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Postby Zilesistan » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:18 am

Tokora wrote:Personally I think it's time to leave when your group is too small to have a chance of winning at all anymore.

So I should leave America if I vote for the libertarians without them having a fighting chance? Or am I misunderstanding your argument?
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Postby Wunderstrafanstalt » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:45 am

So who around here will, in reality, be a nice and obedient sheep while hoping for revolutionary changes to break out? China-style authoritarian government should be fine, corrupt tinpot African military dictatorships is basically giving away your future to satan for $0.00 - depart on the first boat. (And witness the citizens of your new country voting AfD in hordes).

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Postby Izaakia » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:52 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Izaakia wrote:
Woah woah woah woah, calm down, any self respecting person clearly supports a united ireland, under the U.K.

In other news, let’s not forget that Israel doesn’t officially have nuclear weapons ;) ;)

They have nuclear weapons dude. It’s pretty much a know fact


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Postby Phoenicaea » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:58 am

the messed thing is, obviously, the decision about 'who', and which amongst the pretenders is fine to be decided as dictator.

philosophically, somewhat you may leave it when speech, word, has no more meaning and has no value. after all, we pass through the speech to do things.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:58 am

Wunderstrafanstalt wrote:So who around here will, in reality, be a nice and obedient sheep while hoping for revolutionary changes to break out? and join the State Security Service when asked?

Ftfy, and yes.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:01 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Izaakia wrote:
Woah woah woah woah, calm down, any self respecting person clearly supports a united ireland, under the U.K.

In other news, let’s not forget that Israel doesn’t officially have nuclear weapons ;) ;)

They have nuclear weapons dude. It’s pretty much a know fact


Well, if they have nuclear weapons, then how come they didn't turn the Dome of the Rock into a missile silo already, eh?

*taps head* They'd never expect the stone where humanity was supposedly created to also be the stone that ends it all!

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Postby Frievolk » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:26 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Izaakia wrote:
Woah woah woah woah, calm down, any self respecting person clearly supports a united ireland, under the U.K.

In other news, let’s not forget that Israel doesn’t officially have nuclear weapons ;) ;)

They have nuclear weapons dude. It’s pretty much a know fact

It's less a known fact and more an open secret tbh. How else would they actually implement the Samson Option?
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Postby Luziyca » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:54 am

Nova Corina wrote:When the government starts to persecute people who don't share the same beliefs as the government, that would be a good time to leave.

This.

But honestly, I think that by the time they do that, it'll be kinda hard to leave. So I'd take my chances and resist it.
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Postby Sicaris » Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:56 am

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Thermodolia wrote:Why leave when you can fight?

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And so forth. Seems a lot of great countries have sprung from rebellion



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Postby Tokora » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:27 am

Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores wrote:The USA under President Trump, Brazil under President Bolsonaro and Hungary under Prime Minister Viktor Orbán are not dictatorships, I know what a real dictatorship is.

I was referring to Capitalist dictatorships being worse in general rather than the near future but if want past and current examples there's Erdogan, the House of Saud, Syngman Rhee, Ferdinand Marcos, Jiang Jieshi, Pinochet, amd pretty much the rest of Cold War South America for that matter. And I don't care how many times China claims to be Communist, they are one of the worst examples of Capitalist Totalitarianism after the Sauds and third in flat out Totalitarianism after the Sauds and North Korea. And the existing ones (China, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia) are all countries that Trump loves and wants to emulate so I believe my worry about staying for too long is justified.

Novus America wrote:There is absolutely no chance of Trump banning emigration. At all. Nor becoming a dictator at all.

The combination of Trump's unpredictability and his threats of emergency powers makes me feel that I still needed to at least ask.

Novus America wrote:Vietnam is also a state capitalist with combined with free market and political tyranny as well. It is not much different than China, at all.

I believe that while Vietnam was forced to give up socialism due to sanctions from America being a sore loser, China chose to embrace capitalism increase their already absolute control over the working class having only paid lip service to Marx while only caring for the power like the fascists they are. So in short, Vietnam having done this for survival could return to Socialism as soon as their certain that the world won't try to starve them again.

Novus America wrote:Besides they were not the only ones. Many others who opposed his regime also were forced to flee, not just the far left and far right. He certainly did not respect political freedoms.

I'm going to be completely honest I'm unaware of any other victims.

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Thermodolia wrote:Says the guy with an IRA member for a flag.


Any proper American supports the destruction of the UK and a 32 county republic.

Don't worry about it, I'm American and I support India, Vietnam, Cuba, and Sweden.

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Tokora wrote:Personally I think it's time to leave when your group is too small to have a chance of winning at all anymore.

So I should leave America if I vote for the libertarians without them having a fighting chance? Or am I misunderstanding your argument?

Rand Paul supports Trump so I doubt you have anything to worry about. Besides, Libertarians have never been persecuted in America as badly as the Communists (especially us religious ones who don't even have voice in modern politics).
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