When is it time to leave a country becoming a dictatorship?

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I fight for my family first and foremost, and I would die for them to live.

That said, if Canada sends out the call, I will answer it.

If the US collapses into tyranny, I will fight it.

[Thermodolia]

Calm down dude. If the US had a dictatorship the last thing I’d do is join the military.

You do you, I'll do me.

If the US becomes a dictatorship then the military is an extension of that dictatorship. Joining the military to fight the dictatorship is probably the dumbest thing ever. And I say that as a veteran. But seriously ya need to calm down, I get it you’re passionate but not everyone is.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

You do you, I'll do me.

If the US becomes a dictatorship then the military is an extension of that dictatorship. Joining the military to fight the dictatorship is probably the dumbest thing ever. And I say that as a veteran. But seriously ya need to calm down, I get it you’re passionate but not everyone is.

Just form your own paramilitary, bro

[Wunderstrafanstalt]

If the US becomes a dictatorship then the military is an extension of that dictatorship. Joining the military to fight the dictatorship is probably the dumbest thing ever. And I say that as a veteran. But seriously ya need to calm down, I get it you’re passionate but not everyone is.

Just form your own paramilitary, bro

It's not going to work. If you're quite successful in the military you can always try to form a faction within the military and overthrow the government in a coup, survive the initial onslaught and reestablish democracy (as staying in that position has a high chance of being holed between the eyes)

[Izaakia]

To die for a country is absurd, it is merely a piece fo land with a pretty cloth thrown over it. In the somewhat unlikely event that muppets like you would ever be in charge of this country I would seek a safe haven, I would never be forced to do something I do not want to do. For me that is the point at which you should leave, the point at which you would be forced to do something unreasonable or face extreme punishment.

Muppets, lmao, believe what you want, but when did I say that I would have you forced to do anything? I just said that I can not respect a coward, and that I'd stick with my country through thick, and thin, no matter what. I don't have to respect you, my opinion of you changes nothing, I didn't say I'd hold a gun to your head to force you into anything. We can't use people like you in the military, there are people who want out, and, make for terrible soldiers even in our current volunteer forces, why would I want an unpatriotic coward at my side who was forced to be there in a gunfight? As you said, you'd have to gtfo of our country if you didn't want to sacrifice, and conform under a dictatorship, not that it will ever happen imo.

Self confessed Neo-Nazi claims people like him wouldn’t force other people to do anything.

[Izaakia]

To die for a country is absurd, it is merely a piece fo land with a pretty cloth thrown over it. In the somewhat unlikely event that muppets like you would ever be in charge of this country I would seek a safe haven, I would never be forced to do something I do not want to do. For me that is the point at which you should leave, the point at which you would be forced to do something unreasonable or face extreme punishment.

Muppets, lmao, believe what you want, but when did I say that I would have you forced to do anything? I just said that I can not respect a coward, and that I'd stick with my country through thick, and thin, no matter what. I don't have to respect you, my opinion of you changes nothing, I didn't say I'd hold a gun to your head to force you into anything. We can't use people like you in the military, there are people who want out, and, make for terrible soldiers even in our current volunteer forces, why would I want an unpatriotic coward at my side who was forced to be there in a gunfight? As you said, you'd have to gtfo of our country if you didn't want to sacrifice, and conform under a dictatorship, not that it will ever happen imo.

Self confessed Neo-Nazi claims people like him wouldn’t force other people to do anything.

[The New California Republic]

I don't trust you.

Of course you wouldn’t.
You’re from the land where plastic straws are super radioactive poison but broken heroin needles are perfectly safe for the turtles.

You clearly don't have the slightest clue where I'm from, so don't bother guessing.

[Izaakia]

Of course you wouldn’t.
You’re from the land where plastic straws are super radioactive poison but broken heroin needles are perfectly safe for the turtles.

You clearly don't have the slightest clue where I'm from, so don't bother guessing.

But in all seriousness, don’t use plastic straws, they kill turtles and sharks. Save the world and drink like a normal person, or use paper straws.

[Swindenland]

I think it is reasonable to often change your country, because it's also an excellent experience. Study abroad, work a few years in France and then go to Canada, for example. If you often look for jobs in other countries, usually picking the best paying one, you can leave anytime a country is becoming more and more authoritarian. As long as the law suits you stay, but when it become less suitable leave. The concept of loyalty to a country is an old construct, be flexible it's a big planet.

[West Leas Oros 2]

You clearly don't have the slightest clue where I'm from, so don't bother guessing.

But in all seriousness, don’t use plastic straws, they kill turtles and sharks. Save the world and drink like a normal person, or use paper straws.

Plastic straw bans do next to nothing in the long run when most global emissions are the fault of a few companies.

[Izaakia]

But in all seriousness, don’t use plastic straws, they kill turtles and sharks. Save the world and drink like a normal person, or use paper straws.

Plastic straw bans do next to nothing in the long run when most global emissions are the fault of a few companies.

You clearly misunderstand the problem then. Banning plastic straws isn’t about GHG emissions it’s about plastic pollution in the ocean, especially when single use plastics like straws are unessessaru.

What you say about most global emissions being from a few companies is also factually incorrect, electric grid power production, transport, agriculture and construction are major contributors.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Plastic straw bans do next to nothing in the long run when most global emissions are the fault of a few companies.

You clearly misunderstand the problem then. Banning plastic straws isn’t about GHG emissions it’s about plastic pollution in the ocean, especially when single use plastics like straws are unessessaru.

What you say about most global emissions being from a few companies is also factually incorrect, electric grid power production, transport, agriculture and construction are major contributors.

I suppose what I to mean to say is that individual effort is meaningless without a major change to the system.

[Izaakia]

You clearly misunderstand the problem then. Banning plastic straws isn’t about GHG emissions it’s about plastic pollution in the ocean, especially when single use plastics like straws are unessessaru.

What you say about most global emissions being from a few companies is also factually incorrect, electric grid power production, transport, agriculture and construction are major contributors.

I suppose what I to mean to say is that individual effort is meaningless without a major change to the system.

A single person can change the world. Anyway, it’s not an individual effort, all around the world, especially in the U.K. people are saying no to single use plastics, governments are banning micro plastics, it’s not an individual effort it’s a community led effort. One rock starts a landslide.

[Texanese United Union]

You always hear that you have to stay in the country to vote in the next election, but what about when that election is either rigged or never comes. What about when any kind of revolution is doomed to failure? Under what circumstances is it finally acceptable to abandon a country sliding into a dictatorship?

Mind you I don't honestly believe that America is that bad yet, but as I watch Brazil, Turkey, and central Europe I need to know when it's finally time to abandon ship.

Personally I think it's time to leave when your group is too small to have a chance of winning at all anymore.

When you see the former asshole grab power and make his reign like 20 years. I am going to move to Canada if he survived longer. I don't want to live in America if he reigns after 2020.

[United States of the Universe]

You always hear that you have to stay in the country to vote in the next election, but what about when that election is either rigged or never comes. What about when any kind of revolution is doomed to failure? Under what circumstances is it finally acceptable to abandon a country sliding into a dictatorship?

Mind you I don't honestly believe that America is that bad yet, but as I watch Brazil, Turkey, and central Europe I need to know when it's finally time to abandon ship.

Personally I think it's time to leave when your group is too small to have a chance of winning at all anymore.

You would know if it was getting that bad. People may not like their elected officials, but no US government is anywhere near it. As for America, I doubt it'll ever be that bad. There are too many countermeasures in place.

[United States of the Universe]

You always hear that you have to stay in the country to vote in the next election, but what about when that election is either rigged or never comes. What about when any kind of revolution is doomed to failure? Under what circumstances is it finally acceptable to abandon a country sliding into a dictatorship?

Mind you I don't honestly believe that America is that bad yet, but as I watch Brazil, Turkey, and central Europe I need to know when it's finally time to abandon ship.

Personally I think it's time to leave when your group is too small to have a chance of winning at all anymore.

When you see the former asshole grab power and make his reign like 20 years. I am going to move to Canada if he survived longer. I don't want to live in America if he reigns after 2020.

Oh please, no you won't. I don't like Trump, but his being president hasn't affected my life at all. Besides, I wouldn't put it past the Republicans to nominate someone else.

[Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores]

You always hear that you have to stay in the country to vote in the next election, but what about when that election is either rigged or never comes. What about when any kind of revolution is doomed to failure? Under what circumstances is it finally acceptable to abandon a country sliding into a dictatorship?

Mind you I don't honestly believe that America is that bad yet, but as I watch Brazil, Turkey, and central Europe I need to know when it's finally time to abandon ship.

Personally I think it's time to leave when your group is too small to have a chance of winning at all anymore.

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"Under what circumstances is it finally acceptable to abandon a country sliding into a dictatorship?
When the nation becomes a one political party state dictatorship, eternal revolution like in Cuba, lol.

"Mind you I don't honestly believe that America is that bad yet, but as I watch Brazil, Turkey, and central Europe I need to know when it's finally time to abandon ship. "

America, Brazil and Hungary under President Trump, President Jair Bolsonaro and Prime Minister Viktor Orbán of Hungary, are far from any real kind of dictatorship eternal revolution like in Cuba under Fidel, Raúl and Diaz-Canel, lol.

Than unlike the Soviet Union and Eastern European communist states as practiced the world over, than unlike China, Vietnam and North Korea.

Even than unlike Venezuela under Nicolás Maduro.

[Shofercia]

Libertarians not wanting to get into the Middle Eastern mess is not the same as saying that it's an awesome region.

It was a retro, perhaps ill-conceived reference, to Gary Johnson's 2016 gaffe on Aleppo.

Oh lol, no the comment was good, just incomplete. Here's the complete version:

They could always go to Aleppo, to feel the Johnson.

It was his campaign slogan, so it's fair game.

[Helensburgh]

I don't have a criteria, but I would have left Russia, Turkey, and perhaps Hungary by now. If I was Brazilian, I'd be considering it for sure.

[Marshal I]

When the leader kicks a squirrel

[US-SSR]

Every man would be a coward if he dared.

Sure, whatever you say.

Edit: “We despise and abhor the bully, the brawler, the oppressor, whether in private or public life, but we despise no less the coward and the voluptuary. No man is worth calling a man who will not fight rather than submit to infamy or see those that are dear to him suffer wrong.” ― Theodore Roosevelt

Edit #2 In this situation:
The bully: the people who will inevitably try to silence me. IE: report me for perceived slights.
The Brawler: me because I'm a violent dude.
The oppressor: mods because you're job is to oppress people, while under the guise of PC.
The coward: You all should know who you are.


Thank you all for inspiring hate in my heart with your leftism, pacisfism, and pro PC outlook, this has been the first time in years that I screamed SIEG HEIL & HH! You all fill me with disgust for my fellow human being, just for being who you are,... thank you.

At this point I suppose I could try and educate you to the story behind that quote from Rochester and the idea behind it, that courage is more a matter of being true to one's own principles than going along with any crowd's or group's idea of courage, etc.

But as things stand I'll restrict myself to saying simply that fascists and fascism sucks, that there can be nothing more cowardly or unpatriotic than crowds of punks trying to intimidate and harm those born into less favorable circumstances than they were all the while crying their little snowflake tears about how oppressed they have been by those they believe to be their inferiors but who are actually far superior to most if not all of them, and that as for myself, as much as I have been shocked by recent events into the realization of how much I do care for my country and wish for its success despite its many and manifest faults, my first duty is to my family, whose welfare I will defend to the utmost regardless of which country I have to or am forced to defend it in.

[Vallermoore]

When the economy fails or the police come after you.

[Wunderstrafanstalt]

When the economy fails or the police come after you.

When the economy fails, wouldn't it be the time to O V E R T H R O W T H E S T A T E?

[The National Salvation Front for Russia]

If they targeted me, sure. Otherwise, oppress on!

[Hammer Britannia]

You don't, you stay and fight against the tyrants or die trying.

(At least, that's my opinion.)