When is it time to leave a country becoming a dictatorship?

[Aclion]

That can be disproved by America lol

Are you sure? Trump won after all.

The fact that Trump won despite being opposed by basically the entire establishment is proof that the country is still a democracy.

[Wunderstrafanstalt]

If a dictator rose/ was elected in my country, which is horrificly fucking possible within 9 weeks (and by dictator I mean actual possibly-dictator who wants and tried to ditch elections, get rid of human rights court and amend the constitution - unlike your whines about Trump/Sanders).... I don't know. We were lucky in 2014, Let's hope we will again this year.

I'm probably not going to leave, I have nowhere to go. My parents lived under a genocidal corrupt military dictatorship after all and by being nice sheeps, they were fine. But if a country have had a long history of democracy, I think we can prevent them from making too authoritarian moves. If he does, I'm probably going to join an internet hate and misinformation campaign to help generate civil unrest and bring down the dictator until they start jailing people, to which I say "well all is doom and gloom but live must continue".

[Bienenhalde]

Ultra right wingers have their entire freedom to lose in Germany

Germany does not suppress right-wingers; unless you think Nazism is right wing. (Which it isn't)

[Western Vale Confederacy]

When Bernie or Ocasio-Cortez is elected, if you are a private business owner like my uncle. Trust me, there's no such thing as a democratic socialist.

This has to be a joke right? Neither of them are even genuine "democratic socialists" lol.

They proclaim themselves as democratic socialists despite having no idea of what the term implies.

They are social democrats, nothing more.

(Also, AOC is bloody nuts)

[Novus America]

This has to be a joke right? Neither of them are even genuine "democratic socialists" lol.

They proclaim themselves as democratic socialists despite having no idea of what the term implies.

They are social democrats, nothing more.

(Also, AOC is bloody nuts)

They do not even understand social democracy either.

[US-SSR]

Are you sure? Trump won after all.

When was that a dictatorship?
Electoral College my friend, you are a Republic.
But this is off-topic, let's go back to talk about when it's time to leave

Ah the "America is a Republic" meme. So beloved of those who hate democracy.

North Korea is a Republic, Russia is a Republic, Venezuela is a Republic. All a Republic is is a nation that does not have a monarch.

But while we're at it, name another Republic please where the candidate who gets fewer votes wins the election.

From its origins all the Electoral College has done is give the most reactionary groups in US society an outsized voice in the selection of its chief executive. It has finally proven itself incapable of the only other function it might have, preventing foreign-influenced demagogues with no ability and no qualificaitons from occupying the Oval Office.

Time for it to go.

Back on topic. There are a few things to do before tyrrany comes creeping up to your doorstep on its little cat feet. Renew your passport. Withdraw cash. Withdraw more cash. A lot of cash. Let your friends and relatives in other places know you may be showing up on their doorstep. Keep your car's gas tank full. Toss essentials in an overnight bag. Make arrangements with your loved ones to meet in advance of your move. Pretty much what you would do if you knew a hurricane was coming.

[Trumptonium1]

Ultra right wingers have their entire freedom to lose in Germany

Germany does not suppress right-wingers; unless you think Nazism is right wing. (Which it isn't)

As evidenced by Germany's wonderful interior minister Heiko Maas or whoever that moron was announcing that Facebook et al have a responsibility to remove anti-refugee content from their websites or risk large fines.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/worl ... media.html

Given that Germany fined Von Storch for criticising the police on Twitter and Facebook for writing messages in Arabic by saying they are 'placating unintegrated barbarians', I can only wonder how little you can say to run afoul of Germany's "hate speech" laws.

[Medwind]

Personally, I don't think I'd leave, I'd probably go about reenlisting, with the expectation of war.

[Thermodolia]

Bolded for further reference.

Yeah I saw that! If the officials aren’t elected I dont really approve of it

In the Nordic nations the monarch is little more than a figurehead

[Major-Tom]

You always hear that you have to stay in the country to vote in the next election, but what about when that election is either rigged or never comes. What about when any kind of revolution is doomed to failure? Under what circumstances is it finally acceptable to abandon a country sliding into a dictatorship?

Mind you I don't honestly believe that America is that bad yet, but as I watch Brazil, Turkey, and central Europe I need to know when it's finally time to abandon ship.

Personally I think it's time to leave when your group is too small to have a chance of winning at all anymore.

When Bernie or Ocasio-Cortez is elected, if you are a private business owner like my uncle. Trust me, there's no such thing as a democratic socialist.

Imagine conflating authoritarian socialism with milquetoast social democratic reformists.

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

When the government starts to persecute people who don't share the same beliefs as the government, that would be a good time to leave.

Unfortunately, it often gets harder to leave when that condition is evident.

[Salus Maior]

Use your own judgement.

[Torrocca]

It'd probably be better - albeit far more dangerous, of course - to stay and fight against that rise of authoritarianism.

On the other hand, considering most people have families and don't want to get them caught in the crossfire of that shit... the best time to leave is probably before things like travel and civil rights are restricted.

[Alanis Star]

When it gets too oppressive or even your neighbors are giving you a black eye.

Not that it happened to me in Myanmar (I generally got along with people, as a Burmese dude), but I left for an entirely different reason - education system was kinda crap.

I'll say that it depends on several factors - yes, Myanmar is more or less a dictatorship and I don't like it, but for the Burmese people, aside from the general slight poverty (middle class is nearly nonexistent; you either have all the wealth or you don't), it's more or less fine, and you probably won't get imprisoned for slight remarks. Woe to the journalists, though, which is damning.

If you're... of a certain faith that the country is generally giving a slant eye towards, your best course of action is to book a flight to some other country. I disapprove of it, and I just hope we can live together at the end of the day.

[Major-Tom]

If a dictator rose/ was elected in my country, which is horrificly fucking possible within 9 weeks (and by dictator I mean actual possibly-dictator who wants and tried to ditch elections, get rid of human rights court and amend the constitution - unlike your whines about Trump/Sanders).... I don't know. We were lucky in 2014, Let's hope we will again this year.

I'm probably not going to leave, I have nowhere to go. My parents lived under a genocidal corrupt military dictatorship after all and by being nice sheeps, they were fine. But if a country have had a long history of democracy, I think we can prevent them from making too authoritarian moves. If he does, I'm probably going to join an internet hate and misinformation campaign to help generate civil unrest and bring down the dictator until they start jailing people, to which I say "well all is doom and gloom but live must continue".

I'm pretty sure you're Indonesian, I take it you're talking about Prabowo as the potential dictator/strongman who could be elected?

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

If there is ever a war where I am at, and there is a better place that I can reach, and it is worth the risks of the pathway to me, then I will leave. I am not hiding in a barn or abandoned house or the woods if there is a better option. Worst case scenario, I commit suicide to escape, if able, I will write a diary of it.

If by some extremely unlikely chance, there is a leader who wants to kill or prohibit me, I will do whatever I can to go.

[Borinsa]

Trust me, there's no such thing as a democratic socialist.

I don't trust you.

Of course you wouldn’t.
You’re from the land where plastic straws are super radioactive poison but broken heroin needles are perfectly safe for the turtles.

[Krasny-Volny]

You always hear that you have to stay in the country to vote in the next election, but what about when that election is either rigged or never comes. What about when any kind of revolution is doomed to failure? Under what circumstances is it finally acceptable to abandon a country sliding into a dictatorship?

Mind you I don't honestly believe that America is that bad yet, but as I watch Brazil, Turkey, and central Europe I need to know when it's finally time to abandon ship.

Personally I think it's time to leave when your group is too small to have a chance of winning at all anymore.

My family survived two types of foreign occupation, a world war, and decades of authoritarian rule by ignoring politics and staying home during protests, election days, and curfew hours. I would do the same. Compared to what they went through, a coup d'etat or a migrant influx doesn't bother me. Taxes take priority over unrest/regime change; if I received a tax bill over 90% of my income I'd be tempted to run (but probably still wouldn't, considering the relatives, friends, and connections I'd have to abandon).

The only way I can say for sure I'd leave is if the government started persecuting people for their religion. I can tolerate anything dictator does until he decides that a man's most private beliefs - his faith - is illegal. Then it's time to go somewhere else.

[Krasny-Volny]

When Bernie or Ocasio-Cortez is elected, if you are a private business owner like my uncle. Trust me, there's no such thing as a democratic socialist.

Imagine conflating authoritarian socialism with milquetoast social democratic reformists.

I dunno, I'd take my chances with an authoritarian socialist state if these milquetoast social democrats send me a tax bill that's about 90% or more of my income.

The point I'm trying to make is that there are indeed things those social democrats could do within a democratic framework that would affect me far more than a dictator simply denying me the privilege of voting and making his opponents disappear.

[Borinsa]

I’d leave a country if;

-it becomes one party (only one political viewpoint is tolerated)
-it becomes communist
-it becomes facist
-the majority of the people come to hate you (whites in zimbabwe, gays in Muslim countries, , Jews in Muslim countries ,Muslims in Burma, non-communists in North Korea)
-it becomes a theocracy (most Muslim countries)
-it’s about to be destroyed (leave the US if scientists start getting antsy about Yellowstone)

[Zex]

N E V E R

[Zex]

Personally, I don't think I'd leave, I'd probably go about reenlisting, with the expectation of war.

This is the only, objectively, correct answer.
Anyone who has answered anything else besides this has failed.

[Borinsa]

N E V E R

I’d say it should depend on your connection to your nation.

If your family has lived there for thousands of years, you should probably stick with it...

If your ancestors were recent settlers or immigrants that connection isn’t there.

[Wunderstrafanstalt]

If a dictator rose/ was elected in my country, which is horrificly fucking possible within 9 weeks (and by dictator I mean actual possibly-dictator who wants and tried to ditch elections, get rid of human rights court and amend the constitution - unlike your whines about Trump/Sanders).... I don't know. We were lucky in 2014, Let's hope we will again this year.

I'm probably not going to leave, I have nowhere to go. My parents lived under a genocidal corrupt military dictatorship after all and by being nice sheeps, they were fine. But if a country have had a long history of democracy, I think we can prevent them from making too authoritarian moves. If he does, I'm probably going to join an internet hate and misinformation campaign to help generate civil unrest and bring down the dictator until they start jailing people, to which I say "well all is doom and gloom but live must continue".

I'm pretty sure you're Indonesian, I take it you're talking about Prabowo as the potential dictator/strongman who could be elected?

Tbh it is impossible to go back on the military dictatorship era, but considering even the current reformist government passed laws to dissolve "un-Pancasilan" organizations at will and easily censor+arrest hate speech/hoax spreader which while needed is admittedly a slippery slope, I can only imagine what can Prabowo do if he take the iron throne. The insanely hypercorrupt children of Suharto will also have free reign.

Especially since it is quite clear he's trying to mimic Trump: hostility to media, appeal to alienated conservatives, populist nationalism, "Make Indonesia Great Again", the reliance of hoax/fake news, etc. Also let's not forget he benefits from the mobilization of angry religious thugs/masses.

[Infected Mushroom]

You always hear that you have to stay in the country to vote in the next election, but what about when that election is either rigged or never comes. What about when any kind of revolution is doomed to failure? Under what circumstances is it finally acceptable to abandon a country sliding into a dictatorship?

Mind you I don't honestly believe that America is that bad yet, but as I watch Brazil, Turkey, and central Europe I need to know when it's finally time to abandon ship.

Personally I think it's time to leave when your group is too small to have a chance of winning at all anymore.

My parents didn't take us out of Zimbabwe till 2009. There is really no point when you get the hell out of Dodge aside from the point you decide you can't take it anymore. Some people leave day one, some people take years, and some never leave. Hell, as soon as I can I'm heading back to my dictatorship even if I hate the government.

Don't go (please consider) =(

You might get hurt. =(

Why do you not like America? Because of the Trump?