The fact that Trump won despite being opposed by basically the entire establishment is proof that the country is still a democracy.
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by Aclion » Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:54 pm
by Wunderstrafanstalt » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:50 pm
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by Bienenhalde » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:09 pm
Trumptonium1 wrote:Ultra right wingers have their entire freedom to lose in Germany
by Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:23 pm
by Novus America » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:18 pm
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Wawakanatote wrote:
This has to be a joke right? Neither of them are even genuine "democratic socialists" lol.
They proclaim themselves as democratic socialists despite having no idea of what the term implies.
They are social democrats, nothing more.
(Also, AOC is bloody nuts)
by US-SSR » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:19 pm
by Trumptonium1 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:21 pm
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by Major-Tom » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:48 pm
Unithonia wrote:Tokora wrote:You always hear that you have to stay in the country to vote in the next election, but what about when that election is either rigged or never comes. What about when any kind of revolution is doomed to failure? Under what circumstances is it finally acceptable to abandon a country sliding into a dictatorship?
Mind you I don't honestly believe that America is that bad yet, but as I watch Brazil, Turkey, and central Europe I need to know when it's finally time to abandon ship.
Personally I think it's time to leave when your group is too small to have a chance of winning at all anymore.
When Bernie or Ocasio-Cortez is elected, if you are a private business owner like my uncle. Trust me, there's no such thing as a democratic socialist.
by Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:50 pm
Nova Corina wrote:When the government starts to persecute people who don't share the same beliefs as the government, that would be a good time to leave.
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by Major-Tom » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:05 pm
Wunderstrafanstalt wrote:If a dictator rose/ was elected in my country, which is horrificly fucking possible within 9 weeks (and by dictator I mean actual possibly-dictator who wants and tried to ditch elections, get rid of human rights court and amend the constitution - unlike your whines about Trump/Sanders).... I don't know. We were lucky in 2014, Let's hope we will again this year.
I'm probably not going to leave, I have nowhere to go. My parents lived under a genocidal corrupt military dictatorship after all and by being nice sheeps, they were fine. But if a country have had a long history of democracy, I think we can prevent them from making too authoritarian moves. If he does, I'm probably going to join an internet hate and misinformation campaign to help generate civil unrest and bring down the dictator until they start jailing people, to which I say "well all is doom and gloom but live must continue".
by Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:08 pm
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by Krasny-Volny » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:15 pm
Tokora wrote:You always hear that you have to stay in the country to vote in the next election, but what about when that election is either rigged or never comes. What about when any kind of revolution is doomed to failure? Under what circumstances is it finally acceptable to abandon a country sliding into a dictatorship?
Mind you I don't honestly believe that America is that bad yet, but as I watch Brazil, Turkey, and central Europe I need to know when it's finally time to abandon ship.
Personally I think it's time to leave when your group is too small to have a chance of winning at all anymore.
by Krasny-Volny » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:20 pm
by Borinsa » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:21 pm
by Zex » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:27 pm
Medwind wrote:Personally, I don't think I'd leave, I'd probably go about reenlisting, with the expectation of war.
by Borinsa » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:30 pm
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by Wunderstrafanstalt » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:34 pm
Major-Tom wrote:Wunderstrafanstalt wrote:If a dictator rose/ was elected in my country, which is horrificly fucking possible within 9 weeks (and by dictator I mean actual possibly-dictator who wants and tried to ditch elections, get rid of human rights court and amend the constitution - unlike your whines about Trump/Sanders).... I don't know. We were lucky in 2014, Let's hope we will again this year.
I'm probably not going to leave, I have nowhere to go. My parents lived under a genocidal corrupt military dictatorship after all and by being nice sheeps, they were fine. But if a country have had a long history of democracy, I think we can prevent them from making too authoritarian moves. If he does, I'm probably going to join an internet hate and misinformation campaign to help generate civil unrest and bring down the dictator until they start jailing people, to which I say "well all is doom and gloom but live must continue".
I'm pretty sure you're Indonesian, I take it you're talking about Prabowo as the potential dictator/strongman who could be elected?
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by Infected Mushroom » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:35 pm
Heloin wrote:Tokora wrote:You always hear that you have to stay in the country to vote in the next election, but what about when that election is either rigged or never comes. What about when any kind of revolution is doomed to failure? Under what circumstances is it finally acceptable to abandon a country sliding into a dictatorship?
Mind you I don't honestly believe that America is that bad yet, but as I watch Brazil, Turkey, and central Europe I need to know when it's finally time to abandon ship.
Personally I think it's time to leave when your group is too small to have a chance of winning at all anymore.
My parents didn't take us out of Zimbabwe till 2009. There is really no point when you get the hell out of Dodge aside from the point you decide you can't take it anymore. Some people leave day one, some people take years, and some never leave. Hell, as soon as I can I'm heading back to my dictatorship even if I hate the government.
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