100 Years of National Socialism

[Tasuirin]

Here's one anniversary I'd be happy to let pass each year without observing.

Nationalism in all its forms prioritises loyalty to the state and nation over loyalty to humanity, an ideal I would be much happier accepting. Thus, even when not actively oppressing other people, a nationalist fundamentally believes that their nation is more important than others, a kind of selfishness that I would argue is not healthy for a society in the modern age. I'd like all nationalism to go the way of the dodo, personally.

[Vallermoore]

National Socialism was and is truly evil. Communism would be good if it worked as it supposed to be-"pure" Nazism is as bad as the Nazism that happened in our timeline. Nazism was all about exterminating those who were thought to be inferior races or religions.

[Tasuirin]

National Socialism was and is truly evil. Communism would be good if it worked as it supposed to be-"pure" Nazism is as bad as the Nazism that happened in our timeline. Nazism was all about exterminating those who were thought to be inferior races or religions.

While I don't necessarily agree with the "communism is only good on paper" argument that some ascribe to, you are absolutely correct. Communism is at least good on paper, National Socialism is a stain to the paper it is written on.

[Albydia]

Here's one anniversary I'd be happy to let pass each year without observing.

Nationalism in all its forms prioritises loyalty to the state and nation over loyalty to humanity, an ideal I would be much happier accepting. Thus, even when not actively oppressing other people, a nationalist fundamentally believes that their nation is more important than others, a kind of selfishness that I would argue is not healthy for a society in the modern age. I'd like all nationalism to go the way of the dodo, personally.

And then what? One global tyrannical government that tramples on individual culture and individual expression and merges all culture into a reason to consume?

[Saiwania]

National Socialism was and is truly evil. Communism would be good if it worked as it supposed to be-"pure" Nazism is as bad as the Nazism that happened in our timeline. Nazism was all about exterminating those who were thought to be inferior races or religions.

Well, I find that most things that people describe as evil become that way, as opposed to being bad from the beginning.

If the DAP's founders had faults, it was that some or all of them were antisemitic. But this was a common opinion back in early 20th century Europe. Especially in the climate that existed in Germany from World War I's aftermath where Germans were on the losing side and were suffering. Hitler pretty much overshadowed Anton Drexler and drove out any influence that he had from 1921 onward, over what used to be his political party that he created. Hitler was just too good at giving speeches and bullying his way to the top.

[Rezmaeristan]

National Socialism was and is truly evil. Communism would be good if it worked as it supposed to be-"pure" Nazism is as bad as the Nazism that happened in our timeline. Nazism was all about exterminating those who were thought to be inferior races or religions.

That's Hitlerism, which unfortunately won out in the end. Strasserism really puts the "Socialism" in "National Socialism" and really was for all German Workers; he just wanted the Jews to assimilate as opposed to killing them.

[Reikoku]

Nazism is utter trash, and I wish that my country hadn't gone down the dark path of allying with those genocidal maniacs. They politely considered us an inferior race, which was even more insulting than outright stating so.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

How about we say no to genocide instead?

Yes, no to white genocide!

Demographic changes =/= genocide.

[Reikoku]

How about we say no to genocide instead?

Yes, no to white genocide!

If God didn't want people to race mix, he wouldn't have made it so beautiful.

[Aellex]

Nazism is utter trash, and I wish that my country hadn't gone down the dark path of allying with those genocidal maniacs. They politely considered us an inferior race, which was even more insulting than outright stating so.

Tbh, racial policies of Germany were very weird to say the least.
Arabs and Iranian were A-OK but Slavs and Asiats? Nu uh.

[Torrocca]

Nazism was, is, and always will be a steaming pile of cancerous, plague-bearing, genocide-fueled trash that deserves to be burned and forgotten to the historical annals of humanity.

[Albydia]

Yes, no to white genocide!

Demographic changes =/= genocide.

What do you call the Han Chinese immigration into Tibet and Uyghurstan?

[Olthar]

Nazis are bad.

[Reikoku]

Nazism is utter trash, and I wish that my country hadn't gone down the dark path of allying with those genocidal maniacs. They politely considered us an inferior race, which was even more insulting than outright stating so.

Tbh, racial policies of Germany were very weird to say the least.
Arabs and Iranian were A-OK but Slavs and Asiats? Nu uh.

The Nazis used the Arabs and Iranians about the same way that they used Japan. In that we were all good so long as we served their interest, and then it was genocide. There are historians who claim that Hitler intended to deal with Japan the same way he dealt with the Soviet Union in the event that he won Barbarossa, iirc.

[Aellex]

Tbh, racial policies of Germany were very weird to say the least.
Arabs and Iranian were A-OK but Slavs and Asiats? Nu uh.

The Nazis used the Arabs and Iranians about the same way that they used Japan. In that we were all good so long as we served their interest, and then it was genocide. There are historians who claim that Hitler intended to deal with Japan the same way he dealt with the Soviet Union in the event that he won Barbarossa, iirc.

I wouldn't be surprised if he had planned that honestly. The only reason Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany managed to stay on good terms was thanks to how far they were from each other.

[Rezmaeristan]

Nazism is utter trash, and I wish that my country hadn't gone down the dark path of allying with those genocidal maniacs. They politely considered us an inferior race, which was even more insulting than outright stating so.

Again, that's Hitlerism, which unfortunately won. Strasserism was less racial and more cultural; Strasser wanted the Jews to assimilate, as opposed to wanting them to not exist. This is more in line with classical fascism, which focuses on national unity.

[Ohioan Territory]

With my thoughts out of the way, what do you think went wrong with National Socialism? Was the NSDAP evil from the beginning or was it primarily Adolf Hitler and his cohorts who hijacked the party from the founders of the ideology? Is it still even National Socialism if antisemitism is divorced from the platform but most of the other Fascist or social Darwinist elements are kept intact? Is Nazism something that can be modernized or salvaged in any way? What are your opinions on the Communist or Capitalist variations of neo-Nazism- the rumored NazBol (National Bolshevism) and NazCap (National Capitalist) movements on the internet?

Yeah, it was evil from the beginning. Any ideology that is built upon any sense of discrimination is evil, in my opinion. And no, it would not be National Socialism without antisemitism and social Darwinism. I'm not too well-versed in NSDAP ideology, but from what I see, the ideology is literally built on the fact that the Germans were superior to other ethnic groups. It's simply fascism without the antisemitic bull.

Can it be modernized? Sure, but I hope to God it never is. I've never heard of NazBol or NazCap, but I'll say that NSDAP ideology seems fundamentally at odds with both communism and capitalism in their purest ideological forms. Putting them together just seems like alternate forms of national socialism more so than new capitalist or communist ideology.

[Tasuirin]

Here's one anniversary I'd be happy to let pass each year without observing.

Nationalism in all its forms prioritises loyalty to the state and nation over loyalty to humanity, an ideal I would be much happier accepting. Thus, even when not actively oppressing other people, a nationalist fundamentally believes that their nation is more important than others, a kind of selfishness that I would argue is not healthy for a society in the modern age. I'd like all nationalism to go the way of the dodo, personally.

And then what? One global tyrannical government that tramples on individual culture and individual expression and merges all culture into a reason to consume?

No reason for a global government to necessarily be tyrannical, and no reason to stamp out individual cultural expression. Diversity, in my opinion, makes the world better. If we were all one global culture, it would be very boring. But there is no reason that one government would constitute one global culture. Heck, even within largely homogeneous states like the USA, which would also be much easier to police cultural distinction than an entire world government, there are separate cultures within there.

[Saiwania]

I wouldn't be surprised if he had planned that honestly. The only reason Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany managed to stay on good terms was thanks to how far they were from each other.

I'm fairly certain that Hitler had wanted Japan to attack the Soviets to open up a 2nd front to relieve some pressure off of his Barbarossa invasion. Hitler did after all, declare war against the US when he didn't have to. But Germany had plenty of reason to believe that war with the US was inevitable anyways because of FDR- who was helping out the UK since the start of the war.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I'll never understand this trend of people thinking evil is cool.

National Socialism is NOT evil, it is the political process of life itself. National Socialism is more than just "cool", it is our natural instinct. If you want to know what evil is, just look at Communism and it's 332 million victims.

Just because communism is evil doesn't mean that the holocaust conducted by the Nazis should be ignored.

[Olthar]

Nazism is utter trash, and I wish that my country hadn't gone down the dark path of allying with those genocidal maniacs. They politely considered us an inferior race, which was even more insulting than outright stating so.

Again, that's Hitlerism, which unfortunately won. Strasserism was less racial and more cultural; Strasser wanted the Jews to assimilate, as opposed to wanting them to not exist. This is more in line with classical fascism, which focuses on national unity.

"I don't want to kill you. I just want to destroy your cultural identity."

Still not a fan.

[Reikoku]

The Nazis used the Arabs and Iranians about the same way that they used Japan. In that we were all good so long as we served their interest, and then it was genocide. There are historians who claim that Hitler intended to deal with Japan the same way he dealt with the Soviet Union in the event that he won Barbarossa, iirc.

I wouldn't be surprised if he had planned that honestly. The only reason Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany managed to stay on good terms was thanks to how far they were from each other.

That, and Japan could serve to tie up the British Empire and Soviet Union in those regions. When it didn't declare war on the USSR, Hitler raved about how the Japanese Emperor was a weak man and could end up like the Czar. Which showed how much he actually regarded his "ally."

[Torrocca]

National Socialism is NOT evil, it is the political process of life itself. National Socialism is more than just "cool", it is our natural instinct. If you want to know what evil is, just look at Communism and it's 332 million victims.

Just because communism is evil doesn't mean that the holocaust conducted by the Nazis should be ignored.

Nazism's clearly not even because Kustonia pulled the 332 million (a number more than three times the size of the debunked Black Book of Communism's 100 million number of people killed by Communism) number straight from his ass /s

[Rezmaeristan]

Again, that's Hitlerism, which unfortunately won. Strasserism was less racial and more cultural; Strasser wanted the Jews to assimilate, as opposed to wanting them to not exist. This is more in line with classical fascism, which focuses on national unity.

"I don't want to kill you. I just want to destroy your cultural identity."

Still not a fan.

The natural trend of a multi-ethnic nation is towards cultural assimilation (i.e. the USA right now) unless there's an effort against it(which there usually is). What Strasser wanted was for the Jews to stop this effort and just be German like every other German.(I don't know if he would have been against them still following Judaism)

[Vallermoore]

Strasser was not as evil as Hitler, but he was still bad in my view.