Japan surrenders to immigration

[Vassenor]

Japan is better off than Sweden at present.

And YT comments are correct parts of Sweden are an absolute shithole.

Not what people in Sweden are saying about Sweden but ok.

"I'm extremely lucky to be living in this fucking country"- Actual Swed

But that doesn't fit the narrative so it must be all lies.

[Great Winminster]

They had to do it eventually.
Even then, 240.000 to 345.000 people in a country with a population of 126 million is very little.

[Saiwania]

This. I don't believe immigration destroys culture, but race and culture are not interchangeable. Maybe it may seem that way in exceptionally homogeneous countries like Japan, but it's certainly not.

The predominate racial or ethnic group of the nation is the national culture, and the culture is defined by the nation's majority race or ethnic group. This is what National Socialism figured out, to embrace the truth of social Darwinism and the right of national governments to micromanage their population's destiny and future.

[Aodhland]

Good lord the weeaboos must be excited

[Painisia]

Well, Japan insistence on being homogenous has now proven to be problematic. As many have played out here, Japan`s fertility rate is falling. What the cause is, might be complicated. From a range of unhappy individuals, not enough economic benefits to having. family or just too much Hentai. So I think that Japan should be transparent and open up their borders. As long as Japan receives immigrants from neighboring countries, I don't think their culture will be massively affected by this. But maybe one day in the future will have a large population of non-Asian people

[Trumptonium1]

Japan is better off than Sweden at present.

And YT comments are correct parts of Sweden are an absolute shithole.

Not what people in Sweden are saying about Sweden but ok.

"I'm extremely lucky to be living in this fucking country"- Actual Swed

If happiness of living in one's country is the metric for how good a country is, Turkey and Bhutan are heavens on earth.

[Scomagia]

They had to do it eventually.
Even then, 240.000 to 345.000 people in a country with a population of 126 million is very little.

It's little more than a gesture, really. This is hardly a "surrender" to immigration.

[Hrythingland]

Alas, one of the last mainly homogenous places on earth is opening itself up to droves of foreigners. Sad really. Not that I have much sympathy; theirs is a highly peculiar culture and humour that I have never wrapped my head around. Regardless, a move in the wrong direction.

[Trumptonium1]

People need to stop the "Japan's fertility rate is falling" rhetoric. It isn't. It's been rising for about 15 years now, albeit slowly. But it's now close to the US - in 2005 the difference was 0.8 per 100 000 women and today it's just 0.36 in America's favour.

The rise isn't as large as Russia, who are now close to replacement fertility and are about to pass the US in the next year or two after 21 years of rises, but it still is rising.

[Krasny-Volny]

This. I don't believe immigration destroys culture, but race and culture are not interchangeable. Maybe it may seem that way in exceptionally homogeneous countries like Japan, but it's certainly not.

The predominate racial or ethnic group of the nation is the national culture, and the culture is defined by the nation's majority race or ethnic group. This is what National Socialism figured out, to embrace the truth of social Darwinism and the right of national governments to micromanage their population's destiny and future.

Even if the dominant racial/ethnic group of a particular area defines the dominant culture that does not mean race and culture are interchangeable.

Broader American culture for one is adhered to by people of all races and ethnic backgrounds. So is Brazilian culture.

[Saiwania]

Good lord the weeaboos must be excited

Japan is a super modern and comfortable nation to live in that is mixed with ancient aesthetics, but the major cons are that as such, it is much more expensive to live there and geographically speaking; it isn't a large nation. It is either densely populated or very remote and the work hours are very long relative to the rest of the world.

Most anime fanatics probably aren't going to qualify for being admitted into Japan on a permanent basis, unless they're something like an English teacher. Japan is far more than just anime though, it is like someone from overseas going to the US to focus too much on all things Disney. It is something that no one cares for save for 1% of the population that're nerds or people with spare time.

Japan at its heart, is a Conservative nation. You got to respect their ways if you're not from there.

[Ostroeuropa]

The period after Europe was hit by the Black Death was a period of major advancements in peasant rights and taking power from the nobility which eventually led to liberalism and the end of absolute aristocracy in Europe. This was because Labor shortages allowed peasants to demand more for their labor.

We should let these immigration crises produce similar results and gain in terms of workers rights AND preservation of our unique cultures, rather than acquiescing to a race to the bottom and neoliberal nonsense.

"Yes, that's right, there's a Labor shortage. Not enough workers. So that means not all of you capitalists can stay in business. Start bidding for us. If you lose this bidding war, you will go bankrupt."

Wah wah the economy will shrink.

So what.

Workers will have a bigger slice of it. Less rich fucks, and the rich fucks who remain having less of a share. Sounds positive.

Why should we bail out the rich AGAIN? This time by mortgaging our national stability and culture to facilitate a relentless wealth transfer from the bottom to the top without any regression of that trend because we keep doing these kind of policies?

Imagine if there was a general strike, but people from the miners union were scabs who worked for the automobile corporations, and the automobile workers were scabs working for the mines. Who would that benefit? Not workers, that's for sure, it seems like a situation built up specifically to fuck them over, right?

These immigrants should bloody stay where they are and demand better conditions instead of crossing the picket line. Everyone should be doing that.

[Oil exporting People]

The period after Europe was hit by the Black Death was a period of major advancements in peasant rights and taking power from the nobility which eventually led to liberalism and the end of absolute aristocracy in Europe. This was because Labor shortages allowed peasants to demand more for their labor.

We should let these immigration crises produce similar results and gain in terms of workers rights AND preservation of our unique cultures, rather than acquiescing to a race to the bottom and neoliberal nonsense.

"Yes, that's right, there's a Labor shortage. Not enough workers. So that means not all of you capitalists can stay in business. Start bidding for us. If you lose this bidding war, you will go bankrupt."

Wah wah the economy will shrink.

So what.

Workers will have a bigger slice of it. Less rich fucks, and the rich fucks who remain having less of a share. Sounds positive.

Why should we bail out the rich AGAIN? This time by mortgaging our national stability and culture to facilitate a relentless wealth transfer from the bottom to the top without any regression of that trend because we keep doing these kind of policies?

Amen.

[Darussalam]

The period after Europe was hit by the Black Death was a period of major advancements in peasant rights and taking power from the nobility which eventually led to liberalism and the end of absolute aristocracy in Europe. This was because Labor shortages allowed peasants to demand more for their labor.

We should let these immigration crises produce similar results and gain in terms of workers rights AND preservation of our unique cultures, rather than acquiescing to a race to the bottom and neoliberal nonsense.

wtf i'm pro-open border now

Funny that's not what's happening in Hungary though.

[Ostroeuropa]

The period after Europe was hit by the Black Death was a period of major advancements in peasant rights and taking power from the nobility which eventually led to liberalism and the end of absolute aristocracy in Europe. This was because Labor shortages allowed peasants to demand more for their labor.

We should let these immigration crises produce similar results and gain in terms of workers rights AND preservation of our unique cultures, rather than acquiescing to a race to the bottom and neoliberal nonsense.

wtf i'm pro-open border now

Funny that's not what's happening in Hungary though.

Yes, it is mate. Sorry you're ill informed. It isn't reported on because the rich would rather scream and cry about authoritarianism than admit the close border folk have a point.

Hungaries wages raised 10% last year.

https://bbj.hu/economy/gross-wage-growt ... ust_156711

They also rose the year before that, and the year before that, by similarly large margins.

[Reikoku]

Japan has had immigration and foreign workers since the Meiji period. Where the bloody hell is this doomsday talk coming from?

Wasn't the largest group Koreans at like 2% and that was it?

There were also Chinese and Taiwanese workers as well. The percentages of which I don't know, but thousands were killed following the 1923 Kanto Earthquake, where ethnic Koreans (and Chinese mistaken for them) were accused of taking advantage to commit arson and robbery. Japan has never been 100% ethnically homogeneous, and while I personally don't believe in bringing these foreign workers in, it's not the Götterdämmerung of the Yamato race.

[Darussalam]

wtf i'm pro-open border now

Funny that's not what's happening in Hungary though.

Yes, it is mate. Sorry you're ill informed. It isn't reported on because the rich would rather scream and cry about authoritarianism than admit the close border folk have a point.

Hungaries wages raised 10% last year.

https://bbj.hu/economy/gross-wage-growt ... ust_156711

They also rose the year before that, and the year before that, by similarly large margins.

I'm pro-restricted immigration and anti-poor. But if restricting immigration leads to increasingly punitive cost for domestic employers and negatively impacts productivity, obviously I should start pushing towards the opposite direction instead. Hungary's recent labor law reforms seems to be based on approximately similar reasoning, by loosening restrictions on labor supply through internal deregulation as opposed to external employment.

[Arcturus Novus]

About fucking time the Japanese government realizes that its status quo was unsustainable. I just hope that this doesn’t result in resurgence of the Japanese far right.

[Ostroeuropa]

Yes, it is mate. Sorry you're ill informed. It isn't reported on because the rich would rather scream and cry about authoritarianism than admit the close border folk have a point.

Hungaries wages raised 10% last year.

https://bbj.hu/economy/gross-wage-growt ... ust_156711

They also rose the year before that, and the year before that, by similarly large margins.

I'm pro-restricted immigration and anti-poor. But if restricting immigration leads to increasingly punitive cost for domestic employers and negatively impacts productivity, obviously I should start pushing towards the opposite direction instead. Hungary's recent labor law reforms seems to be based on approximately similar reasoning, by loosening restrictions on labor supply through internal deregulation as opposed to external employment.

You're anti-poor? What?

Yes, you can assist both classes by loosening employment regulation internally at the same time as restricting immigration to make wages higher. I also don't see the problem with a punitive cost for domestic employers. You may as well say that low wages are punitive to workers. It's a contract.

[Rupudska]

Imma keep it real with you 57th Prime Minister of Japan Shinzo Abe, considering the extreme cost of traveling the distance, Byzantine immigration process, cost of living, (admittedly lessening) mistrust of foreigners, and rampant bullying in schools, this will not raise Japan's declining birth rate.

[Darussalam]

I'm pro-restricted immigration and anti-poor. But if restricting immigration leads to increasingly punitive cost for domestic employers and negatively impacts productivity, obviously I should start pushing towards the opposite direction instead. Hungary's recent labor law reforms seems to be based on approximately similar reasoning, by loosening restrictions on labor supply through internal deregulation as opposed to external employment.

You're anti-poor? What?

Yes, you can assist both classes by loosening employment regulation internally at the same time as restricting immigration to make wages higher.

Quite. The welfare of the poor are not more important than any other. The poor should understand this and suck it, tbh.

[The National Salvation Front for Russia]

Quite. The welfare of the poor are not more important than any other. The poor should understand this and suck it, tbh.

I'm guessing you're not poor then.

[Krasny-Volny]

You're anti-poor? What?

Yes, you can assist both classes by loosening employment regulation internally at the same time as restricting immigration to make wages higher.

Quite. The welfare of the poor are not more important than any other. The poor should understand this and suck it, tbh.

Saying that all classes should be treated equally is not being anti-poor or anti-any class.

[Vallermoore]

Most immigrants are not in any way bad, although Muslim immigrants seem more likely to cause trouble then others. Most immigrants just want a better life.

[Darussalam]

You may as well say that low wages are punitive to workers. It's a contract.

Depending on circumstances in question. Whether immigration decreases native wage in the long-term is in itself something highly debatable - Hungarians are probably just overseeing rapid growth unrelated to its immigration laws. There are more intelligent arguments to argue for restrictive immigration policy. If immigration restriction increases native wage, this means that the employers are being forced to pay more for workers who in other circumstances could have been paid less with similar productivity gain, so it's mostly just wasteful welfare checks.