Japan surrenders to immigration

[Alvecia]

What will be intersting is: will this change the socio-economic traditions of the Japanese?

Sounds like something will have to give in the long run, and it might just be one or two traditions...

Paradoxically, traditions tend to change quite a lot over time.

[South Ccanda]

What will be intersting is: will this change the socio-economic traditions of the Japanese?

Sounds like something will have to give in the long run, and it might just be one or two traditions...

Finally, the end of hentai!

[Hrythingland]

What will be more proper about it beyond being xenophobic? The people of East Anglia did not spring forth from holes in the ground. They got there by being descended from, ultimately, foreign migrants, invaders, and conquerors. The Angles didn't migrate legally to England. They were not born citizens. They did not integrate into the local culture. They showed up and made their own kingdoms and any complaints can be presented to the unpleasant men with pointy sticks who kill people for the king. I don't see how that is proper, but Japanese immigrants showing up and not immediately becoming perfectly authentically...Suffolk-y or whatever, is improper and to be banned.

‘Tis a good thing that japan opened up their borders, but I don’t think Angles are a good example on why immigration is good. Conquering land, sacking villages, needless murder. It is said the Saxons and Angles did more devastation on England than the Vikings.

This is not true. To quote something I said in another thread:

National identity in the British Isles does present itself as a wee conundrum aye, but as someone who actually studies this period of history in Britain I would caution drawing too many paralells between modern global immigration into a nationstate and waves of invaders into loose confederations of warring peoples. And indeed much of what we assumed about the ethno-linguistic make up of early Britain is presently being challenged; there is a strong argument if one reasseses what Caesar said about the northern tribes of Gaul and Germania and cross-referencing accounts of Greeks and other Romans, not to mention DNA, toponymy and coinage that in fact South East England has been inhabited by Germanic type people for a lot longer than originally thought.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

It's racist to say that you went to a bad part of town just because a bunch of North Africans live there. Liriena was trying to help you out but you just dug a hole for yourself.

I said it was bad because it was no longer French. That's not 'racist' that just a fact, it is no longer French. And in France, that cannot be a good thing. Not that I care too much, I'm British so it gives more enormous pleasure to see the demise of the French most of the time.

Let me guess, equating North Africans being in France to being France's demise isn't racist either?

[Hrythingland]

I said it was bad because it was no longer French. That's not 'racist' that just a fact, it is no longer French. And in France, that cannot be a good thing. Not that I care too much, I'm British so it gives more enormous pleasure to see the demise of the French most of the time.

Let me guess, equating North Africans being in France to being France's demise isn't racist either?

France's demise is bigger than just 'north Africans'. It is the attitude that lead to so many being allowed in that is largely the problem.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Let me guess, equating North Africans being in France to being France's demise isn't racist either?

France's demise is bigger than just 'north Africans'. It is the attitude that lead to so many being allowed in that is largely the problem.

Like I said. That's racist.

[Hrythingland]

France's demise is bigger than just 'north Africans'. It is the attitude that lead to so many being allowed in that is largely the problem.

Like I said. That's racist.

How?

[NERVUN]

There's something the multicultural types often ignore in their racist worldview, and its that the native nations are not culturally homogenous in the first place, but have distinct local cultures under a broader category of a national culture, for example, cockney.

As immigrants move in, it is these locale cultures that are under threat much more imminently and measurably than the overall national culture. Mass migration into London drove up prices and effectively destroyed the cockney community. The culture of the UK was not "Enriched", it had part of itself replaced. Native British culture was diminished and became less diverse, while Foreign cultures became more present.

With Japan we'll see similar. The extra hundreds of thousands of workers will congregate in specific areas, displace locals, and destroy culture. The "We're still 80% X!" crap the multiculturalists peddle ignores this dynamic.

Right, and you've lost between 1 and 20% of your locale cultures to displacement, and they will never come back because you've uprooted them and their communities and their former adherents have buggered off elsewhere and assimilated.

On a larger scale this is like bitching "But Britain is still 80% White, you're just a racist!" if you up and completely colonized all of wales (Some 3 million people, a concentration of minorities would completely overrun it and drive up prices considerably.) and caused a diaspora that ultimately killed welsh heritage.

Japanese city cultures, or subsections within those cities with their own distinct cultures, are going to be replaced. The Japanese there will move on and assimilate to some other locale culture, same as Britains cockneys did.

A lack of concern from central government for ordinary people and low level locale cultures with their distinct traditions in favor of a narrative of a unified national culture is an old grievance and relevant again today. It is only the values of a nationless elite who are as internationally mobile as their capital, and those they have duped into backing them by whining about racism and telling them lies about increased diversity, that multiculturalism can be pushed as a narrative.

What's more, the globe is likely to become less diverse overall as this trend occurs. Rather than a myriad of diverse locale cultures in each nation, we'll see Starbucking occur as immigrant communities reach for the most base and "National" expressions of their cultural heritage. (Looking at you Murica, "Irish" v "From Dublin.".)

The future multiculturalism will deliver us is the British diaspora ALL whining about tea and saying pip pip, Arabs pandering to their stereotypes, and so on and so on, all across the globe. There will be no cockneys. There will be no distinction between a Meccan and a Medinan. Because as migrants enter a new nation their identity comes under threat and their connection to their heritage falters, previously we would assimilate them and tell them to adopt locale cultures, but now we're telling them to be proud of and express their heritage, they will not be able to do so, they will only be able to do what Americans do, play pretend at it in the most stereotypical of ways, uniform across the board.

The diaspora of a nation will adopt the stereotype of the nation as their heritage because they have no roots to an area, no locale culture, the already acknowledged as mostly bullshit snapshot of a gestalt of the locale cultures (or more accurately, the snapshot their elites wish to represent.) is what they will adopt.

Think of two cities close to you with a distinct culture and reputation and character.
Now imagine both were obliterated and replaced with a bunch of people pretending to be British based on TV shows they'd watched, and meanwhile, two British cities with distinct culture have been colonized by a stereotype of your nation.

Is that diverse? Is it enrichment?

What is just bloody hilarious is your attempt to use Japan, JAPAN of all places as your start point for this.

Japan, the country that indeed has a very long, proud history of local regions complete with their own cultures, customs, and in some cases, languages. Japan, where said cultures are dying due to lack of children and what children are born, quickly move to Tokyo. Japan, where the whole media-sphere is dominated by Tokyo so it's Tokyo-ben that is spoken, Tokyo customs that are taught and known, and Tokyo living which everyone aspires to. It ain't immigrants, it's Tokyo!

But, please, do go on about how I pollute my local community and am causing confusion and havoc. The only thing I can really say I have changed is introducing the concept of watermelon carving and roasting marshmallows.

[Senkaku]

Well hopefully this'll help alleviate their demographic implosion, took long enough

[Duvniask]

Well hopefully this'll help alleviate their demographic implosion

You can't really rely on replacement migration to solve population ageing, however, especially not long term.

took long enough

It's little more than a continuation of policies already in place. A lot of these immigrants will merely be given 5-year stays, which is also the case for many foreign residents already in the country today. Not much new.

[Novus America]

Well hopefully this'll help alleviate their demographic implosion, took long enough

It will do little to nothing.
It is far too little, too late.

[Woockan]

https://boingboing.net/2019/01/01/japan-opens-its-doors-wide-to.html

Unbelievable, but Japan decided to accept immigrants, due to aging population and low fertility rates, Japan cannot keep stable a population, which is VERY bad for the economy.

In my opinion, the reason for it is Women's liberation and allowing women to participate in the workforce, making for women to have less time to think about children.
Another reason is that Japan has one of the most high life expectancy in the world.
And the third reason is just apathy and luck of patriotism.
It's not normal for a nation, not to be able to keep a stable population.

I am for immigration, but not mass immigration, like Germany experienced, I am for strict immigration laws, that will allow only people who are skilful and loyal to the nation way of living, to enter the nation.
I hope that Japan will not become a new Sweden, if you know what I mean.

Globalism seems to be unstoppable, it strikes everywhere, what can I say? children are our future.
I hope for the best for Japan, that those immigrants will help Japan and not harm the Japanese people peaceful lives.
What's your opinion about the matter?.

Part of the article:

"Under a bill approved by Parliament’s upper house in the early-morning hours, more than a quarter-million visas of five-year duration will be granted to unskilled guest laborers for the first time, starting in 2019.

Under the new measure, between 260,000 and 345,000 five-year visas will be made available for workers in 14 sectors suffering severe labor shortages, including caregiving, construction, agriculture and shipbuilding.

The measure also creates a separate visa category for high-skilled workers, who will be allowed to stay for unlimited periods and enjoy greater benefits, including permission to bring their families to Japan".

Do you have another source for that? I don't know this "boingboing" site and googling the title brings nothing.

[NERVUN]

https://boingboing.net/2019/01/01/japan-opens-its-doors-wide-to.html

Unbelievable, but Japan decided to accept immigrants, due to aging population and low fertility rates, Japan cannot keep stable a population, which is VERY bad for the economy.

In my opinion, the reason for it is Women's liberation and allowing women to participate in the workforce, making for women to have less time to think about children.
Another reason is that Japan has one of the most high life expectancy in the world.
And the third reason is just apathy and luck of patriotism.
It's not normal for a nation, not to be able to keep a stable population.

I am for immigration, but not mass immigration, like Germany experienced, I am for strict immigration laws, that will allow only people who are skilful and loyal to the nation way of living, to enter the nation.
I hope that Japan will not become a new Sweden, if you know what I mean.

Globalism seems to be unstoppable, it strikes everywhere, what can I say? children are our future.
I hope for the best for Japan, that those immigrants will help Japan and not harm the Japanese people peaceful lives.
What's your opinion about the matter?.

Part of the article:

"Under a bill approved by Parliament’s upper house in the early-morning hours, more than a quarter-million visas of five-year duration will be granted to unskilled guest laborers for the first time, starting in 2019.

Under the new measure, between 260,000 and 345,000 five-year visas will be made available for workers in 14 sectors suffering severe labor shortages, including caregiving, construction, agriculture and shipbuilding.

The measure also creates a separate visa category for high-skilled workers, who will be allowed to stay for unlimited periods and enjoy greater benefits, including permission to bring their families to Japan".

Do you have another source for that? I don't know this "boingboing" site and googling the title brings nothing.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/ ... DP1OdIzbIU
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/ ... DP1O9IzbIU

[Rio Cana]

I did not want to start a new thread and since its about a former Japanese citizen who migrated to Mexico, I placed it here.

While surfing the internet, found this really informative video which talks about a little known famous so called Mexican Samurai by the name of Kingo Nonaka. He was a 16 years old Japanese citizen who migrated to Mexico with relatives to work on a plantation. In time, he became a valuable member of the Mexican revolution and of Mexican society.

This is the video which is in english - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FDwX91X-vY

Edit - This is the photo they mention in the video. - https://www.sinembargo.mx/wp-content/up ... near-1.jpg

[Aglanen]

This OP was so inane, that I had to slowly go through it again just to make sure I read it correctly.

So...let me get this straight. One of the xenophobic countries in the 21st Century, Japan, a country that detests immigrants so much that they have dragged themselves into a borderline crisis, a country praised by internet alt-righters in the West as an ideal ethnostate, a country that even refuses to grant full citizenship to certain groups of people born and raised within its borders if they're of the wrong ethnicity and refuse to be "Japanized," a country with an education system that proudly tosses its own "inconvenient" historical atrocities straight into the memory hole...is "lacking in patriotism."

Oh, and who are perpetrators for this "decline of national pride" in Japan? Oh, you know, the usual targets of cough

right wingers.

Women, minorities, and anyone who uses their brain for things other than "serving muh country, right or wrong."

[Soviet Technocracy6]

What will be intersting is: will this change the socio-economic traditions of the Japanese?

Sounds like something will have to give in the long run, and it might just be one or two traditions...

Finally, the end of hentai!

We must preserve this tradition. We must carry on the legacy of Japan.

[The Feylands]

In my opinion, the reason for it is Women's liberation and allowing women to participate in the workforce, making for women to have less time to think about children.

I'm certainly no friend of Radfems.. but I don't think that's the direct cause here. Japan's labour market combined with their special sense politeness has led to a situation where people work overtime and simply stop having sex with each other. People come home at 24:00 after having being polite with their boss all the day long.. no wonders no babies are ever made. Japan also has a booming porn industry and there are places where Japanese go on their free time to watch porn and j**k off. -.-

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... month.html

More than 22 per cent of women quizzed said they found sex 'troublesome' while 35.2 per cent of men said they found intercourse 'too tiring' after a long day at work.

Maybe it's not a typical "right-wing" opinion according to some dogmatic standard, but in this case, some kind of regulation is probably needed for the good of the nation.

I hope that Japan will not become a new Sweden, if you know what I mean.

Neither do I. No one deserves this mess... -.-

Globalism seems to be unstoppable, it strikes everywhere, what can I say? children are our future.

Yeh but ehh... the Japanese state lives by the mercy of the US and its military complex. So it's not surprising that the same tendencies that we see in Europe start to appear there as well.

Dharmic folks really ought to settle their differences and act together in the interests of preserving all those fascinating and vibrant ancient cultures.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

On no! Allowing immigrants is bad and foreigners should not be in Japan. 100% closed borders forever, ablosh UN.

[Farnhamia]

I did not want to start a new thread and since its about a former Japanese citizen who migrated to Mexico, I placed it here.

While surfing the internet, found this really informative video which talks about a little known famous so called Mexican Samurai by the name of Kingo Nonaka. He was a 16 years old Japanese citizen who migrated to Mexico with relatives to work on a plantation. In time, he became a valuable member of the Mexican revolution and of Mexican society.

This is the video which is in english - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FDwX91X-vY

Edit - This is the photo they mention in the video. - https://www.sinembargo.mx/wp-content/up ... near-1.jpg

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