Japan surrenders to immigration

[Counterfeit trouser shortage]

ethnic diversity is cool & good. good on japan

[Sovaal]

Many cultures had vigorous instances of homosexuality/bisexuality before Western influence, really.

In comparison, Thailand, which never went full apeshit on the Westernization fetish, never prohibited homosexuality.

Thing about this is that such nations only change their social values to gain support from larger powers.These societies don't truely care about human desires or needs, they rather gain the advantage from other powers.American support helped japan became a unified nation(one that murders and conquers other people).if the west supported social "progressive" desires in that time, then it should be expected for that supported nation to use the values of the giver . The samurai had a privilege, an it was a economic one.This economic privilege did not actually help people, it abused them.Traditional values enslave people, regardless of the social norms.

The thing is, people don't change. So you don't need to be some stuck in the past conservative to be a total dickwad.

[Neu Leonstein]

Yeah, those 200'000 immigrants to a country of around 126'000'000 is really gonna tip the scales.

You mean those 200,000 visas granted to people who are already in the country.

13 pages for this? I hate to say it, but NSG has really declined.

[Sovaal]

ethnic diversity is cool & good. good on japan

Eh, so long you can get every one to be nice to each other. If not, well we saw how the Balkans turned out.

[New haven america]

Japan needs to go deeper. They need to be more radical about their fertility problem. Just telling people to have kids, having parental leave, won't help. You need to promote cultural conservatism and traditional values, or at the very least, promote a cultural shift towards being family oriented. Japan failed to do that, or maybe didn't have the guts to do it, and now it'll be another whatever-istan.

Your argument sucks due to the fact that Japan is already culturally conservative and trying it's damnedest too keep traditional values.

[Oil exporting People]

No one has yet to explain how it is logical to allow for general immigration in contemporary times beyond useless and false platitudes about diversity.

[Ostroeuropa]

There's something the multicultural types often ignore in their racist worldview, and its that the native nations are not culturally homogenous in the first place, but have distinct local cultures under a broader category of a national culture, for example, cockney.

As immigrants move in, it is these locale cultures that are under threat much more imminently and measurably than the overall national culture. Mass migration into London drove up prices and effectively destroyed the cockney community. The culture of the UK was not "Enriched", it had part of itself replaced. Native British culture was diminished and became less diverse, while Foreign cultures became more present.

With Japan we'll see similar. The extra hundreds of thousands of workers will congregate in specific areas, displace locals, and destroy culture. The "We're still 80% X!" crap the multiculturalists peddle ignores this dynamic.

Right, and you've lost between 1 and 20% of your locale cultures to displacement, and they will never come back because you've uprooted them and their communities and their former adherents have buggered off elsewhere and assimilated.

On a larger scale this is like bitching "But Britain is still 80% White, you're just a racist!" if you up and completely colonized all of wales (Some 3 million people, a concentration of minorities would completely overrun it and drive up prices considerably.) and caused a diaspora that ultimately killed welsh heritage.

Japanese city cultures, or subsections within those cities with their own distinct cultures, are going to be replaced. The Japanese there will move on and assimilate to some other locale culture, same as Britains cockneys did.

A lack of concern from central government for ordinary people and low level locale cultures with their distinct traditions in favor of a narrative of a unified national culture is an old grievance and relevant again today. It is only the values of a nationless elite who are as internationally mobile as their capital, and those they have duped into backing them by whining about racism and telling them lies about increased diversity, that multiculturalism can be pushed as a narrative.

What's more, the globe is likely to become less diverse overall as this trend occurs. Rather than a myriad of diverse locale cultures in each nation, we'll see Starbucking occur as immigrant communities reach for the most base and "National" expressions of their cultural heritage. (Looking at you Murica, "Irish" v "From Dublin.".)

The future multiculturalism will deliver us is the British diaspora ALL whining about tea and saying pip pip, Arabs pandering to their stereotypes, and so on and so on, all across the globe. There will be no cockneys. There will be no distinction between a Meccan and a Medinan. Because as migrants enter a new nation their identity comes under threat and their connection to their heritage falters, previously we would assimilate them and tell them to adopt locale cultures, but now we're telling them to be proud of and express their heritage, they will not be able to do so, they will only be able to do what Americans do, play pretend at it in the most stereotypical of ways, uniform across the board.

The diaspora of a nation will adopt the stereotype of the nation as their heritage because they have no roots to an area, no locale culture, the already acknowledged as mostly bullshit snapshot of a gestalt of the locale cultures (or more accurately, the snapshot their elites wish to represent.) is what they will adopt.

Think of two cities close to you with a distinct culture and reputation and character.
Now imagine both were obliterated and replaced with a bunch of people pretending to be British based on TV shows they'd watched, and meanwhile, two British cities with distinct culture have been colonized by a stereotype of your nation.

Is that diverse? Is it enrichment?

[San Lumen]

I think the title is misleading and sounds like a white supremacist thing. What else should Japan do when facing with such a drastic drop in population?

Plus we have a thread for the Diversity/Multiculturalism thread: Make Diversity Great Again. This would certainly fit in there.

[New haven america]

I think the title is misleading and sounds like a white supremacist thing. What else should Japan do when facing with such a drastic drop in population?

Plus we have a thread for the Diversity/Multiculturalism thread: Make Diversity Great Again. This would certainly fit in there.

Stop plugging your own thread, it's annoying.

[Ostroeuropa]

I think the title is misleading and sounds like a white supremacist thing. What else should Japan do when facing with such a drastic drop in population?

Plus we have a thread for the Diversity/Multiculturalism thread: Make Diversity Great Again. This would certainly fit in there.

Raise wages, social infrastructure, automate.

[Oil exporting People]

I think the title is misleading and sounds like a white supremacist thing. What else should Japan do when facing with such a drastic drop in population?

Plus we have a thread for the Diversity/Multiculturalism thread: Make Diversity Great Again. This would certainly fit in there.

Japan literally need not do anything.

[San Lumen]

I think the title is misleading and sounds like a white supremacist thing. What else should Japan do when facing with such a drastic drop in population?

Plus we have a thread for the Diversity/Multiculturalism thread: Make Diversity Great Again. This would certainly fit in there.

Japan literally need not do anything.

Why?

[Oil exporting People]

Japan literally need not do anything.

Why?

Because there is no basis for economic immigration when 50% of low skill jobs can be automated within this generation.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

How? Did you read the actual article, or just the OP? In the actual article, it clearly said that Japan is allowing five year worker visas, and educated people to immigrate to Japan. All sane countries want educated immigrants, so that's nothing new, and the other thing is a five year worker visa - not immigration.

Yeah I just read the OP. Still tho, it wouldn't hurt Japan to let other people live in their country.

I'm not saying that immigration is bad. I am saying that too much immigration is bad.

"Too much immigration" means different things to people in terms of how much immigration is "too much".

At this point I have to admit I'm actively rooting for the entire world to be blended beyond recognition, and for national identity to be replaced by radical individualism.

What a frightful proposition. Ideas like that are why I drink.

Why would that be scary?

Why is it a problem?

Because certain peoples have heritages that they are proud of and want to preserve as a group.

True, world cultures probs wouldn't be as different as they are now, but still, that doesn't make it "frightening".

Because certain peoples have heritages that they are proud of and want to preserve as a group.

Culture and heritage is almost always independent of race.

Race sure, but I don't think so in terms of ethnicity.

https://boingboing.net/2019/01/01/japan-opens-its-doors-wide-to.html

Unbelievable, but Japan decided to accept immigrants, due to aging population and low fertility rates, Japan cannot keep stable a population, which is VERY bad for the economy.

In my opinion, the reason for it is Women's liberation and allowing women to participate in the workforce, making for women to have less time to think about children.
Another reason is that Japan has one of the most high life expectancy in the world.
And the third reason is just apathy and luck of patriotism.
It's not normal for a nation, not to be able to keep a stable population.

I am for immigration, but not mass immigration, like Germany experienced, I am for strict immigration laws, that will allow only people who are skilful and loyal to the nation way of living, to enter the nation.
I hope that Japan will not become a new Sweden, if you know what I mean.

Globalism seems to be unstoppable, it strikes everywhere, what can I say? children are our future.
I hope for the best for Japan, that those immigrants will help Japan and not harm the Japanese people peaceful lives.
What's your opinion about the matter?.

Part of the article:

"Under a bill approved by Parliament’s upper house in the early-morning hours, more than a quarter-million visas of five-year duration will be granted to unskilled guest laborers for the first time, starting in 2019.

Under the new measure, between 260,000 and 345,000 five-year visas will be made available for workers in 14 sectors suffering severe labor shortages, including caregiving, construction, agriculture and shipbuilding.

The measure also creates a separate visa category for high-skilled workers, who will be allowed to stay for unlimited periods and enjoy greater benefits, including permission to bring their families to Japan".

They haven't 'surrendered to immigration', by the way.
And I think it is quite disgusting of you to say that you "hope that Japan will not become a new Sweden". I hope you have researched and found that essentially all immigrants that come to Sweden adopt Swedish norms and culture incredibly quickly, whilst bringing a plethora of their own cultural ideals and things such as clothing and food.

And religion. Also, this right right here is what we need. This is integration and this is what is needed. Not assimilation.

Why not multi-racial while being culturally homogeneous? Why give precedence to blood over custom?

You can try, not that it concerns me too much. But I don't see the Creoles of Louisiana giving up their gumbo, or many of the other ethnic diasporas giving up their heritage

Because gumbo's effing delicious, that's why.

The US and Ireland can probably turn it around, as can France. Britain might be a bit far gone.

Alas. France is not great either. After a rather rambunctious party in Paris I fell asleep on the metro and ended up in some of the less...French parts. Not good. Not good at all.

Why not?

I mean, come on, why do we people hate each other (unless a specific individual is truly hostile)? What would aliens think of us? I'm often ashamed of being a stupid, tiny, weak human, I wish I wasn't born on this planet for real and being human sucks too.

Everyone is acting tribalistic (nationalism is basically tribalism on a large scale), disliking people different from their own. Aren't we all human and shouldn't we believe in the equality and unconditional liberty of all? I mean I never felt such an allegiance to my nationality or local group, I know that the Swiss are the same people as Nkore people in Uganda, only in different conditions and exposed to a different mindset. The mindset is what actually matters in a human. The real problem are right-wing natives and right-wing immigrants, they think their culture, religion or group is superior and always cause conflicts.

Example:

1) A liberal Syrian arrived in Saarbrücken last year, he's an atheist and works in a local credit union, but plans to move to Frankfurt to work in the Deutsche Bank. His social democratic friends and environment accepted him. Everyone's happy and plays Mario Kart 8 Deluxe together at weekends.

2) Mr. Hasan, a hard-core conservative, Erdogan-loving islamist arrived with his family and oppressed wife Jacina to the same city. He has four children, all also hard-core conservative islamists. His children and his family want to impose thier 'superior' beliefs everywhere. No pork, stirctly wearing burkas and shoes-off. His children bully the few native Germans in school or being Christian. The obviously derailed alt-right throw stones into his family's window. They start clashing and there's only hatred. They claim that Hasan hates womens' rights (which he actually does), while at the same time harrasing local africans, gays and vandalising the streets.

Solution to the problem:

Remove all right-wingers (native or immigrant), conservatives, religious wackoes, traditionalists (damn do I hate those), authoritarians etc. from the equation and you can have a normal society, that really only cares about the comfort of each of its individuals. Hygge for everyone. But that's not possible, because always about a half of humanity will hold right-wing values.

That's a very prejudiced view you have of right-wingers and Islamists.

[San Lumen]

Why?

Because there is no basis for economic immigration when 50% of low skill jobs can be automated within this generation.

\yeah lets put more people out of work. I say again the Umbridge quote who was correct in a way "Progress for the sake of Progress must be discouraged. We should preserve what must be preserved, perfect what can be perfected and prohibit what ought to be prohibited."

[San Lumen]

I think the title is misleading and sounds like a white supremacist thing. What else should Japan do when facing with such a drastic drop in population?

Plus we have a thread for the Diversity/Multiculturalism thread: Make Diversity Great Again. This would certainly fit in there.

Stop plugging your own thread, it's annoying.

why do we need multiple threads on the same topic?

[Oil exporting People]

Because there is no basis for economic immigration when 50% of low skill jobs can be automated within this generation.

\yeah lets put more people out of work. I say again the Umbridge quote who was correct in a way "Progress for the sake of Progress must be discouraged. We should preserve what must be preserved, perfect what can be perfected and prohibit what ought to be prohibited."

That literally is not what I said nor does it refute the point being made by myself with regards to immigration.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Stop plugging your own thread, it's annoying.

why do we need multiple threads on the same topic?

^Point made here.

[Communal concils]

Thing about this is that such nations only change their social values to gain support from larger powers.These societies don't truely care about human desires or needs, they rather gain the advantage from other powers.American support helped japan became a unified nation(one that murders and conquers other people).if the west supported social "progressive" desires in that time, then it should be expected for that supported nation to use the values of the giver . The samurai had a privilege, an it was a economic one.This economic privilege did not actually help people, it abused them.Traditional values enslave people, regardless of the social norms.

The thing is, people don't change. So you don't need to be some stuck in the past conservative to be a total dickwad.

I agree, you seem to understand my point .Views on human behaviors is not enough to show the "goodness" of people. Greece allowed homosexuality, yet it was pedophilic. You also have events that try to convert homosexuals to nominal behaviors. There is also events like how The Roman Emperor(Nero) killed his enemies(the most horrible in his hedonist desires).
I see such desiress as "abnormal", but homosexuality should not be that much of a focus. It only show's humanities will to go against nature.

[New haven america]

Stop plugging your own thread, it's annoying.

why do we need multiple threads on the same topic?

Gee, maybe because it's not the same fucking topic.

The forums do not revolve around your thread.

[Aellex]

The US and Ireland can probably turn it around, as can France. Britain might be a bit far gone.

Alas. France is not great either. After a rather rambunctious party in Paris I fell asleep on the metro and ended up in some of the less...French parts. Not good. Not good at all.

>going to Paris
>at all

It seems like the Godon fails to understand the concept of a "containment zone".

Things ain't best indeed but they're good and definitely better than Britain since we're actually and actively assimilating those migrants rather than allowing them to recreate their own countries within our borders like Albion do.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

why do we need multiple threads on the same topic?

Gee, maybe because it's not the same f*cking topic.

Immigration falls into a diversity/multiculturalism topic, which is what the Diversity and Multiculturalism Thread is for.

The forums do not revolve around your thread.

Good thing he never said that.

[Ifreann]

There's something the multicultural types often ignore in their racist worldview, and its that the native nations are not culturally homogenous in the first place

On the contrary, I've found that multicultural types are the only ones acknowledging this, with xenophobes tending to believe/pretend that large areas(either nations or continents) have a single culture both owning and belonging to that area.

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Stop plugging your own thread, it's annoying.

why do we need multiple threads on the same topic?

If you want to merge threads, I'm sure you can find Moderation.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

There's something the multicultural types often ignore in their racist worldview, and its that the native nations are not culturally homogenous in the first place

On the contrary, I've found that multicultural types are the only ones acknowledging this, with xenophobes tending to believe/pretend that large areas(either nations or continents) have a single culture both owning and belonging to that area.

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why do we need multiple threads on the same topic?

If you want to merge threads, I'm sure you can find Moderation.

He doesn't need to, I already did.

[San Lumen]

On the contrary, I've found that multicultural types are the only ones acknowledging this, with xenophobes tending to believe/pretend that large areas(either nations or continents) have a single culture both owning and belonging to that area.

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If you want to merge threads, I'm sure you can find Moderation.

He doesn't need to, I already did.

Can a mod be asked to do that?