Brazil's Jair Bolsonaro Moves to Recreate Manifest Destiny

[Kowani]

I hope that the indigenous people in the Amazon are like that of the Sentinelese people.

Yeah, bows and arrows will do great against the Brazilian military. The only advantage they’d have is being able to hide, and that won’t last too long.

[Costa Fierro]

I hope that the indigenous people in the Amazon are like that of the Sentinelese people.

Yeah, bows and arrows will do great against the Brazilian military. The only advantage they’d have is being able to hide, and that won’t last too long.

The Amazon is a vast place, Brazil already has most of its native population living in dedicated reserves.

[Four Truths]

I hope that the indigenous people in the Amazon are like that of the Sentinelese people.

Yeah, bows and arrows will do great against the Brazilian military. The only advantage they’d have is being able to hide, and that won’t last too long.

Little resistance is better than none.

[Kowani]

Yeah, bows and arrows will do great against the Brazilian military. The only advantage they’d have is being able to hide, and that won’t last too long.

The Amazon is a vast place, Brazil already has most of its native population living in dedicated reserves.

Except the uncontacted tribes, the ones most endangered by this initiative.

[Costa Fierro]

The Amazon is a vast place, Brazil already has most of its native population living in dedicated reserves.

Except the uncontacted tribes, the ones most endangered by this initiative.

Not true at all, the uncontacted tribes already live on lands that are designated as reserves.

[Kowani]

Except the uncontacted tribes, the ones most endangered by this initiative.

Not true at all, the uncontacted tribes already live on lands that are designated as reserves.

Somehow, I doubt Bolsonaro will let those reserves remain untouched for very long. There’s money in there, and we all know sacrificing or kids for short term profit is the corporate way.

[Costa Fierro]

Not true at all, the uncontacted tribes already live on lands that are designated as reserves.

Somehow, I doubt Bolsonaro will let those reserves remain untouched for very long. There’s money in there, and we all know sacrificing or kids for short term profit is the corporate way.

Most of those reserves are located deep, deep in the Amazon. Don't forget it's 5.5 million square kilometres (2.1 million square miles), and many of the uncontacted tribes live in very remote areas close to Brazil's borders with Colombia and Peru, the latter especially also has a number of uncontacted tribes residing in its own slice of the Amazon.

[-Ocelot-]

I, for one, welcome foreign intervention to topple this fascist regime.

Brazil's government will harm the entire world in the long run, not just Brazil.

Who you gonna get to join it? America is in the throws of Trump, Poland and Hungary are friends with him so the EU won't do shit, the Russians won't, the Chinese won't and the Indians won't even if they could. Your unfortunate reality is that you most live with the knowledge there is nothing that can be done to do what you seek.

No idea about who could intervene but Trump is temporary. NATO still exists. And the Brazilian government wants to cause harm to everyone through the destruction of it's rain-forests. I wouldn't be surprised if someone topples this dictatorship. We don't need another Assad in Latin America killing his own people day in and day out.

But as a stumbling block for Bolsonaro's regime which sadly buys into Russophobic claptrap, civil strife would definitely do its job.

Taking into account your country's geopolitics, and own sphere of influence is now "Russophobic", along with criticisms of Russian foreign policy, Russian domestic policy, and anything to do with Russia or Russians.

Welcome to NSG, enjoy your state.

[Costa Fierro]

Welcome to NSG, enjoy your state.

I've seen Russian nationalists like him before.

No idea about who could intervene but Trump is temporary. NATO still exists. And the Brazilian government wants to cause harm to everyone through the destruction of it's rain-forests. I wouldn't be surprised if someone topples this dictatorship. We don't need another Assad in Latin America killing his own people day in and day out.

Nothing like this currently exists in Brazil. For one thing, there's no reason for an armed intervention to take place, and while Brazil has a substantial amount of deforestation, it's by no means the only country doing it, or the worst. What it does have is a lot of attention, there certainly isn't anyone doing much to bring people's attention to the deforestation taking place in countries like Indonesia, where illegal logging was on track to completely destroy lowland forests on Borneo and Sumatra by 2022.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Welcome to NSG, enjoy your state.

I've seen Russian nationalists like him before.

No idea about who could intervene but Trump is temporary. NATO still exists. And the Brazilian government wants to cause harm to everyone through the destruction of it's rain-forests. I wouldn't be surprised if someone topples this dictatorship. We don't need another Assad in Latin America killing his own people day in and day out.

Nothing like this currently exists in Brazil. For one thing, there's no reason for an armed intervention to take place, and while Brazil has a substantial amount of deforestation, it's by no means the only country doing it, or the worst. What it does have is a lot of attention, there certainly isn't anyone doing much to bring people's attention to the deforestation taking place in countries like Indonesia, where illegal logging was on track to completely destroy lowland forests on Borneo and Sumatra by 2022.

To be perfectly fair, the reason why people are so outraged at the deforestation of the Amazon is because it IS the most widely recognized forest in the world.

I don't think they care much about other forests like the Canadian boreal forest or the Sumatra-Borneo ones, just the one they know and learned about.

[Costa Fierro]

To be perfectly fair, the reason why people are so outraged at the deforestation of the Amazon is because it IS the most widely recognized forest in the world.

Thanks, Bono.

I don't think they care much about other forests like the Canadian boreal forest or the Sumatra-Borneo ones, just the one they know and learned about.

Of course.

[Aellex]

How's that manifest destiny tho?

[Aellex]

Who you gonna get to join it? America is in the throws of Trump, Poland and Hungary are friends with him so the EU won't do shit, the Russians won't, the Chinese won't and the Indians won't even if they could. Your unfortunate reality is that you most live with the knowledge there is nothing that can be done to do what you seek.

No idea about who could intervene but Trump is temporary. NATO still exists. And the Brazilian government wants to cause harm to everyone through the destruction of it's rain-forests. I wouldn't be surprised if someone topples this dictatorship. We don't need another Assad in Latin America killing his own people day in and day out.

Taking into account your country's geopolitics, and own sphere of influence is now "Russophobic", along with criticisms of Russian foreign policy, Russian domestic policy, and anything to do with Russia or Russians.

Welcome to NSG, enjoy your state.

>that moment when the only thing it takes for American socialists to start unironically shilling for the Monroe Doctrine is a guy slightly right of center getting in power somewhere in Latin America

I'm not gonna say I'm surprised but still.

[New Avalon]

I, for one, welcome foreign intervention to topple this fascist regime.

Brazil's government will harm the entire world in the long run, not just Brazil.

I think regime change might have a mixed reputation in recent years.

Maybe a non-violent one (though you may have meant that)? Something legal?

[Western Vale Confederacy]

No idea about who could intervene but Trump is temporary. NATO still exists. And the Brazilian government wants to cause harm to everyone through the destruction of it's rain-forests. I wouldn't be surprised if someone topples this dictatorship. We don't need another Assad in Latin America killing his own people day in and day out.



Welcome to NSG, enjoy your state.

>that moment when the only thing it takes for American socialists to start unironically shilling for the Monroe Doctrine is a guy slightly right of center getting in power somewhere in Latin America

I'm not gonna say I'm surprised but still.

The Monroe Doctrine seriously needs some revising.

It could be something so much greater.

[Diopolis]

This isn't really a surprise for anyone, although it doesn't really change anything either. Not much of a point in getting upset about it.

[Torrocca]

This isn't really a surprise for anyone, although it doesn't really change anything either. Not much of a point in getting upset about it.

There's plenty of reason to get upset about environmental destruction. Even more reason to speak up about it and try to take action.

[Swindenland]

Why is all politics in Latin America either far-left or far-right? I wish that Brazil would've switched to a more parliamentary form of government and we'd instead see coalition centre-left or centre-right governments, that are consistent, respect people's rights and at the same time help the economy grow.

Jair Bolsonaro is just a stupid fascist, but then again all of Latin America is suffering because of the Presidential system of government, except for Chile, which seems to handle it well. Imagine the PSDB in a centrist coalition in Brazil, a centre-left pro-democracy and pro-free market government in Venezuela and a compromise government in Bolivia, that would ensure economic growth and indigenous peoples' rights.

Bolsonaro is a part of a greater problem - Presidential systems. In Western European countries, far-right (or far-left, looking at you LINKE) parties are powerful, but they can never form governments or at least have to be more mild in a coalition (looking at Austria)

[Baltenstein]

Brazil is a weird pick to go down the Autocracy route to be honest, their special rules make the Freedom ideology and cultural victory a better choice.
Unless of course Bolsonaro wants to do a Pracinha spam and get more Carnivals/Golden Ages by going after Barbarian tribes, which may explain this latest move against the indigenous peoples.

[Swindenland]

Additionally, I think that the Brazilian congress will take care of the situation, the president of Brazil doesn't have unlimited power. PSDB for the win!

[Nova Colombian Confederation]

No idea about who could intervene but Trump is temporary. NATO still exists. And the Brazilian government wants to cause harm to everyone through the destruction of it's rain-forests. I wouldn't be surprised if someone topples this dictatorship. We don't need another Assad in Latin America killing his own people day in and day out.

Why intervine against a possible client to your economy and someone who has repeatly supported you. When there's FOUR narco-states on the same continent?.

Welcome to NSG, enjoy your state.

Costa Fierro has been a while 'round these parts.

About the main topic.
*Reading on the article*
"Brazil President Jair Bolsonaro, who just does not give a fuck."
emm, i can have another article please.

[Torrocca]

No idea about who could intervene but Trump is temporary. NATO still exists. And the Brazilian government wants to cause harm to everyone through the destruction of it's rain-forests. I wouldn't be surprised if someone topples this dictatorship. We don't need another Assad in Latin America killing his own people day in and day out.

Why intervine against a possible client to your economy and someone who has repeatly supported you. When there's FOUR narco-states on the same continent?.

Why the fuck should we factor economics into a moral and existential issue that threatens the very existence of our species and practically all life on Earth?

emm, i can have another article please.

A second article's been added to the OP.

[Nova Colombian Confederation]

Why intervine against a possible client to your economy and someone who has repeatly supported you. When there's FOUR narco-states on the same continent?.

Why the fuck should we factor economics into a moral and existential issue that threatens the very existence of our species and practically all life on Earth?

A second article's been added to the OP.

Which country doesn't screw up on mother nature?, Bhutan?. Mankind sucks diiiiiiiiick!. Also, the Amazon isn't just in Brazil, the Amazon occupies territory in Venezuela, Colombia, Peru and Ecuador. As long we don't relay on fucking up trees, not going full China and still researching on more alternatives on development, is fine.

Thank you. On the main topic, this isn't an excecutive order, this still needs to be ratified by the parlament.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I, for one, welcome foreign intervention to topple this fascist regime.

Brazil's government will harm the entire world in the long run, not just Brazil.

Calling Bolsonaro a Fascist is an insult to Fascists tbh.

Fascists at least respect the environment.

[Costa Fierro]

There's plenty of reason to get upset about environmental destruction. Even more reason to speak up about it and try to take action.

Of course there's legitimate reasons to get upset about this, but there's a couple of reasons why "trying to take action" is about as effective as putting ice cubes in the water to stop climate change.

Firstly, illegal logging (which is about 80% of the total logging that exists in Brazil) will happen regardless of who is in power in Brazil, primarily because the lack of resources to fully enforce logging bans in protected areas and also because virtually all levels of the Brazilian government at the federal, state, and municipal level are corrupt enough that such activities take place unhindered. And even if illegal logging somehow manages to be stopped, there's still the issue of dealing with the illegal gold mining that also takes place in the Amazon.

Secondly while Brazil is the poster child for deforestation, one has to take into account the significant loss of other forests in Africa and Asia, particularly in Indonesia where virtually all lowland forests on at least two main islands there are set to be wiped out by 2022. But again, corruption and a lack of resources to enforce logging bans are the main issue there too.