Then wouldn't they be national, rather than community, concerns?
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by Mardla » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:38 am
by Sudbrazil » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:39 am
Petrolheadia wrote:Sudbrazil wrote:The last governing party called itself 'The Workers Party' (Partido dos Trabalhadores). They had several welfare and wealth redistribution programs, supported Cuba, Venezuela along with other communist and socialist countries.
If that isn't socialism, I don't know what is.
It isn't socialism, it is social democracy. There's one hella difference.
by The South Falls » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:39 am
by The New California Republic » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:40 am
Sudbrazil wrote:The New California Republic wrote:I am reserving judgement for the time being. But for now I will just say that I find it hard to believe that Brazil can be defined as socialist, meaning that it is impossible to liberate a country from something that doesn't exist in said country. It just seems to me that Bolsonaro needed a convenient enemy to target during his campaigns, and creating a caricature of Brazilian socialism fit the bill perfectly.
The last governing party called itself 'The Workers Party' (Partido dos Trabalhadores). They had several welfare and wealth redistribution programs, supported Cuba, Venezuela along with other communist and socialist countries.
If that isn't socialism, I don't know what is.
by The New California Republic » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:42 am
Sudbrazil wrote:Petrolheadia wrote:It isn't socialism, it is social democracy. There's one hella difference.
No. Democracy is the rule by the people. Socialism is a branch of Marxism that defends the redistribution of wealth and care for the poor through welfare programs. Your statement is categorically wrong.
by Great Minarchistan » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:43 am
by Greater Gilead » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:43 am
San Carlos Islands wrote:
First off, 58 were suicides. Second off, that happened under Temer, not Bolsonaro. Third off, what else to you expect from a country that still upholds traditional values and sees LGBT folks as untouchables, regardless of the leader?
Deropia wrote:Jason can't help but laugh as the scotch bottle, followed soon after by the pie, fly through the air of the chamber. "Ah, this place may be a mad-house...but its the best damn posting I've ever had...".
The Bible Baptist Republic wrote:Ambassador Conklin reads the proposal, blinks twice, and mutters "There ain't enough whiskey to deal with this crap."
by The South Falls » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:44 am
by Hakons » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:44 am
Petrolheadia wrote:Sudbrazil wrote:The last governing party called itself 'The Workers Party' (Partido dos Trabalhadores). They had several welfare and wealth redistribution programs, supported Cuba, Venezuela along with other communist and socialist countries.
If that isn't socialism, I don't know what is.
It isn't socialism, it is social democracy. There's one hella difference.
by The South Falls » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:45 am
Greater Gilead wrote:San Carlos Islands wrote:First off, 58 were suicides. Second off, that happened under Temer, not Bolsonaro. Third off, what else to you expect from a country that still upholds traditional values and sees LGBT folks as untouchables, regardless of the leader?
For some people (including me, and any other fundamentalist Christians as well as Orthodox Jews) this is a pro, not a con.
The Bible instructs the death penalty for homosexuality [Leviticus 20:13] (New Testament too for Christians, in Romans 1).
I'm not a Brazilian, so while I could not vote for the man, I did pray for his victory.
by San Carlos Islands » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:45 am
Greater Gilead wrote:San Carlos Islands wrote:First off, 58 were suicides. Second off, that happened under Temer, not Bolsonaro. Third off, what else to you expect from a country that still upholds traditional values and sees LGBT folks as untouchables, regardless of the leader?
For some people (including me, and any other fundamentalist Christians as well as Orthodox Jews) this is a pro, not a con.
The Bible instructs the death penalty for homosexuality [Leviticus 20:13] (New Testament too for Christians, in Romans 1).
I'm not a Brazilian, so while I could not vote for the man, I did pray for his victory.
by Sudbrazil » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:49 am
The New California Republic wrote:Sudbrazil wrote:
No. Democracy is the rule by the people. Socialism is a branch of Marxism that defends the redistribution of wealth and care for the poor through welfare programs. Your statement is categorically wrong.
Your definition fails miserably. Is the means of production controlled and self-managed by the workers? No? Then Brazil isn't socialist...
by Barbatum » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:51 am
Greater Gilead wrote:San Carlos Islands wrote:First off, 58 were suicides. Second off, that happened under Temer, not Bolsonaro. Third off, what else to you expect from a country that still upholds traditional values and sees LGBT folks as untouchables, regardless of the leader?
For some people (including me, and any other fundamentalist Christians as well as Orthodox Jews) this is a pro, not a con.
The Bible instructs the death penalty for homosexuality [Leviticus 20:13] (New Testament too for Christians, in Romans 1).
I'm not a Brazilian, so while I could not vote for the man, I did pray for his victory.
by Petrolheadia » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:52 am
Sudbrazil wrote:Petrolheadia wrote:It isn't socialism, it is social democracy. There's one hella difference.
No. Democracy is the rule by the people. Socialism is a branch of Marxism that defends the redistribution of wealth and care for the poor through welfare programs. Your statement is categorically wrong.
by Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:53 am
by Hakons » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:54 am
Greater Gilead wrote:San Carlos Islands wrote:First off, 58 were suicides. Second off, that happened under Temer, not Bolsonaro. Third off, what else to you expect from a country that still upholds traditional values and sees LGBT folks as untouchables, regardless of the leader?
For some people (including me, and any other fundamentalist Christians as well as Orthodox Jews) this is a pro, not a con.
The Bible instructs the death penalty for homosexuality [Leviticus 20:13] (New Testament too for Christians, in Romans 1).
I'm not a Brazilian, so while I could not vote for the man, I did pray for his victory.
by The South Falls » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:54 am
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:The marginalization of the LGBT community and the trampling of certain civil rights leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth, but it seems that he has a relatively sane-ish economical plan as leverage.
He hasn't exactly deployed the LGBT-hunting death squads just yet though, so I'll keep just wiggling my eyebrows. Hopefully he can fix the economy, deal with the excessive violence numbers, and crack down on corruption (that's kinda why he was voted to power in the first place), so I'll leave him the benefit of the doubt.
by San Carlos Islands » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:55 am
Greater Gilead wrote:San Carlos Islands wrote:First off, 58 were suicides. Second off, that happened under Temer, not Bolsonaro. Third off, what else to you expect from a country that still upholds traditional values and sees LGBT folks as untouchables, regardless of the leader?
For some people (including me, and any other fundamentalist Christians as well as Orthodox Jews) this is a pro, not a con.
The Bible instructs the death penalty for homosexuality [Leviticus 20:13] (New Testament too for Christians, in Romans 1).
I'm not a Brazilian, so while I could not vote for the man, I did pray for his victory.
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Romans 14:1-23
As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. ...
by Greater Gilead » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:56 am
San Carlos Islands wrote:Greater Gilead wrote:For some people (including me, and any other fundamentalist Christians as well as Orthodox Jews) this is a pro, not a con.
The Bible instructs the death penalty for homosexuality [Leviticus 20:13] (New Testament too for Christians, in Romans 1).
I'm not a Brazilian, so while I could not vote for the man, I did pray for his victory.
Are you seriously trolling? If you aren't I'll be happy, as a Christian, to debate the fact that you're wrong.
Deropia wrote:Jason can't help but laugh as the scotch bottle, followed soon after by the pie, fly through the air of the chamber. "Ah, this place may be a mad-house...but its the best damn posting I've ever had...".
The Bible Baptist Republic wrote:Ambassador Conklin reads the proposal, blinks twice, and mutters "There ain't enough whiskey to deal with this crap."
by The New California Republic » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:57 am
Sudbrazil wrote:The New California Republic wrote:Your definition fails miserably. Is the means of production controlled and self-managed by the workers? No? Then Brazil isn't socialist...
I do apologize, as I had misread social-democracy as simple democracy. The fact is that the Worker's Party pushed for a state-directed mixed economy as well as social justice. As far as I am concerned, social-democracy is a type of socialism, and the definition you are employing is the strictest available, which I doubt a politician would use in a simple speech to communicate with those not well-versed in political doctrine.
by Hrythingland » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:58 am
by Sudbrazil » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:58 am
Petrolheadia wrote:Sudbrazil wrote:
No. Democracy is the rule by the people. Socialism is a branch of Marxism that defends the redistribution of wealth and care for the poor through welfare programs. Your statement is categorically wrong.
Have you just confused a political system with an economic one?
Also, Marxism is only tangentially related to socialism.
by Mardla » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:59 am
Sudbrazil wrote:Petrolheadia wrote:It isn't socialism, it is social democracy. There's one hella difference.
No. Democracy is the rule by the people. Socialism is a branch of Marxism that defends the redistribution of wealth and care for the poor through welfare programs. Your statement is categorically wrong.
by Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:00 pm
Hrythingland wrote:This is excellent news for Brazil, a country that was poised to be a significant power before being throttled by socialism and corruption. Once again the Anglophone and Lusophone worlds lead the fight against leftist tyranny.
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