Jair Bolsonaro declares Brazil's 'liberation from socialism'

[San Carlos Islands]

Protect them from who?

Extra judicialkillings, prejudice, etc.

Again, if we want to quote him on things, let's recognize he's a homophobe, that's great! But let's also recognize the fact he has vowed to protect the LGBT community, even going as far to say an attack against a gay is basically a hate crime.

After being elected president, when asked by William Bonner in the Jornal Nacional about what he would say to those who are more prejudiced and aggressive against gays, Bolsonaro replied: "The aggression against a fellow man has to be punished in the way of law. And if for a reason like this, you have to have your penalty aggravated."

[Mardla]

Removing queer concerns from rights doesn't mean queers have no rights. They are afaik still entitled to the same rights everyone else has.

[Barbatum]

You're missing the nuance.

Someone said Bolsonaro's government would gut LGBT rights. I asked why they should be granted any other rights than any other citizen, because by saying someone is "gutting LGBT rights" you're saying they're gutting rights specific to the LGBT community. You said "how are they getting more rights?" which supports my original point. They shouldn't get any more rights than other citizens to begin with.

And they aren't. Unfortunately.

What rights do they need that they don't already have?

[Petrolheadia]

Removing queer concerns from rights doesn't mean queers have no rights. They are afaik still entitled to the same rights everyone else has.

Totally ignoring any sort of community-specific concerns...

[Byzconia]

He is just removing sex ed programs. He's not gutting rights, only taking away privileges.

Ah, yes, the old "gays are privileged because they get special protections!" You realize those protections and "privileges" are in-place because gay people are more likely to be victims of violence, assault, and discrimination?

As for the comments, one treats exclusively of his own family issues, which shouldn't affect government,

Completely disagree.

and the other comes from a pastor that isn't linked to the government itself.

They're all from Bolsonaro. Also, just gonna ignore the anti-democracy and advocating for murder?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

You know hes a racist homophobe right?

Where did you got that source?

I don't know if he is racist, but he did say that he was incapable of loving a homosexual son.

[Mardla]

Protect them from who?

Extra judicialkillings, prejudice, etc.

It is not reasonable or possible to cover the latter, but surely the law already covers the former?

[Byzconia]

"If I see two men kissing in the street, I will hit them."

"I would not be able to love a gay son. I would rather he die in an accident."

He also wants to sell the Amazon rain forest off to the highest bidder and when asked about what would happen to the natives living there said they needed to "adapt or die."

On his first day in office he issued an executive order removing LGBT+ concerns from the human rights ministry.

He also admires Brazil's previous military dictatorship, said Brazil should be a dictatorship again, and said the regime didn't murder enough people.

"Elections won't change anything...it will only change on the day that we...do the job that the military regime didn't do: killing 30,000. If some innocent people die, that's fine."

After being elected president, when asked by William Bonner in the Jornal Nacional about what he would say to those who are more prejudiced and aggressive against gays, Bolsonaro replied: "The aggression against a fellow man has to be punished in the way of law. And if for a reason like this, you have to have your penalty aggravated."

And I totally 100% believe him.

[Byzconia]

[citation needed]

The right to not be discriminated against by the State is already afforded to all citizens of Brazil. Violation of this principle is a result of corruption, which is wide-spread. Any extra LGBT advocacy is redundant. Why else would they be doing it if they are only advocating for non-discrimination?

Because LGBT people are more at-risk than the average Brazilian?

[Mardla]

Removing queer concerns from rights doesn't mean queers have no rights. They are afaik still entitled to the same rights everyone else has.

Totally ignoring any sort of community-specific concerns...

Aren't those addressed on a local level?

[The New California Republic]

I am reserving judgement for the time being. But for now I will just say that I find it hard to believe that Brazil can be defined as socialist, meaning that it is impossible to liberate a country from something that doesn't exist in said country. It just seems to me that Bolsonaro needed a convenient enemy to target during his campaigns, and creating a caricature of Brazilian socialism fit the bill perfectly.

[The South Falls]

Extra judicialkillings, prejudice, etc.

From who. Not what.

Protection cannot be against anything but people?

[Petrolheadia]

Totally ignoring any sort of community-specific concerns...

Aren't those addressed on a local level?

They can be addressed on the national.

[Sudbrazil]

Removing queer concerns from rights doesn't mean queers have no rights. They are afaik still entitled to the same rights everyone else has.

Totally ignoring any sort of community-specific concerns...

Could you list some? I honestly do not know of any legitimate concerns.

[San Carlos Islands]

After being elected president, when asked by William Bonner in the Jornal Nacional about what he would say to those who are more prejudiced and aggressive against gays, Bolsonaro replied: "The aggression against a fellow man has to be punished in the way of law. And if for a reason like this, you have to have your penalty aggravated."

And I totally 100% believe him.

Why can't one who dislikes gays, not also protect their rights?

The man is the leader of one of the world's largest democracy. Even if he wanted to, he couldn't pull off a massive crusade against homosexuals.

[Barbatum]

The right to not be discriminated against by the State is already afforded to all citizens of Brazil. Violation of this principle is a result of corruption, which is wide-spread. Any extra LGBT advocacy is redundant. Why else would they be doing it if they are only advocating for non-discrimination?

Because LGBT people are more at-risk than the average Brazilian?

According to that article there were 62,000 murders in Brazil in 2016. Because 450-ish were directly related to homophobia, this makes them more at risk than other Brazilians? Are you saying the remaining 61,000+ victims of murder aren't average Brazilians? What constitutes an average Brazilian?

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

Like gutting LGBT rights?

People who complain and complain about LGBT rights makes me not want to support them just because I'm tired of all the LGBT crusaders who don't realize how good things now are. The guy is a homophobe, cool. But he has shown no intention to strip LGBT folks of their rights, and even vowed to protect gays.

>Vowed to protect gays from harm
From his OWN mouth, WORD FOR WORD:
"I would be incapable of loving or tolerating a homosexual son at any point during my life. I would be rather if he died in a car accident than if he had been a homo."
"If a gay couple moved into my building, my property would lose half of it's value."
“I won’t fight it or discriminate, but if I see two men kissing each other in the street, I’ll whack them to the curb.” (October 2002)
Doesn't sound like "vowing to protect gays" to me. Also, for your above statements, I only have two words:
[citation needed].
My source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... ctatorship

[The South Falls]

Extra judicialkillings, prejudice, etc.

Again, if we want to quote him on things, let's recognize he's a homophobe, that's great! But let's also recognize the fact he has vowed to protect the LGBT community, even going as far to say an attack against a gay is basically a hate crime.

After being elected president, when asked by William Bonner in the Jornal Nacional about what he would say to those who are more prejudiced and aggressive against gays, Bolsonaro replied: "The aggression against a fellow man has to be punished in the way of law. And if for a reason like this, you have to have your penalty aggravated."

Because he has not been in office for long, Jllk see you he acts with policy. Trump swung towards LGBT's with words, then tried to ban trans people from the military.

[Barbatum]

From who. Not what.

Protection cannot be against anything but people?

I guess you need protection from animals, too.

[Petrolheadia]

Totally ignoring any sort of community-specific concerns...

Could you list some? I honestly do not know of any legitimate concerns.

Possible higher risk of being a victim of some crime, e.g. beatings.

I do not know Brazilian statistics, but such things are a concern.

[Sudbrazil]

I am reserving judgement for the time being. But for now I will just say that I find it hard to believe that Brazil can be defined as socialist, meaning that it is impossible to liberate a country from something that doesn't exist in said country. It just seems to me that Bolsonaro needed a convenient enemy to target during his campaigns, and creating a caricature of Brazilian socialism fit the bill perfectly.

The last governing party called itself 'The Workers Party' (Partido dos Trabalhadores). They had several welfare and wealth redistribution programs, supported Cuba, Venezuela along with other communist and socialist countries.

If that isn't socialism, I don't know what is.

[Karamuru]

Serei o unico aqui falando Portugues ? Que por acaso e a lingua que se fala no Brasil ha 500 anos ?

[Petrolheadia]

I am reserving judgement for the time being. But for now I will just say that I find it hard to believe that Brazil can be defined as socialist, meaning that it is impossible to liberate a country from something that doesn't exist in said country. It just seems to me that Bolsonaro needed a convenient enemy to target during his campaigns, and creating a caricature of Brazilian socialism fit the bill perfectly.

The last governing party called itself 'The Workers Party' (Partido dos Trabalhadores). They had several welfare and wealth redistribution programs, supported Cuba, Venezuela along with other communist and socialist countries.

If that isn't socialism, I don't know what is.

It isn't socialism, it is social democracy. There's one hella difference.

[San Carlos Islands]

The right to not be discriminated against by the State is already afforded to all citizens of Brazil. Violation of this principle is a result of corruption, which is wide-spread. Any extra LGBT advocacy is redundant. Why else would they be doing it if they are only advocating for non-discrimination?

Because LGBT people are more at-risk than the average Brazilian?

First off, 58 were suicides. Second off, that happened under Temer, not Bolsonaro. Third off, what else to you expect from a country that still upholds traditional values and sees LGBT folks as untouchables, regardless of the leader?

[Sudbrazil]

Serei o unico aqui falando Portugues ? Que por acaso e a lingua que se fala no Brasil ha 500 anos ?

O sítio eletrônico está em inglês, e a sua língua dominante é o inglês. Eu não acho prático comunicar-me em uma língua que os gringos provavelmente não entendem.