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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:28 pm

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Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:Or maybe you should just accept that nobody is buying your drivel and recognize your little "kampf" is lost. :)

Nobody is whining about Bolsonaro's racism are they?

Literally everyone who is not part of the alt-right, has a rational and open mind, remembers World War 2, and supports personal liberty brings up Bolsonaro's authoritarianism or racebaiting drivel. Nevertheless, you have failed. Your "kampf" has ended before it even begun and now you are a horse kicking desperately as the last iota of blood drains from him. As the Internet would say on pests like you:
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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:30 pm

Holy mother of God and Jesus Christ of Nazareth, literally SECONDS after I've posted hte "BEGONE THOT" meme image to deliver the final blow, the troll got banned and turned into a "former nation". Peasants rejoice! For the Wind has finally faded at last and after a grueling and harsh Winter....
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Postby Gagium » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:35 pm

Okay, the troll's gone. That's okay. Now I suppose we can get back on topic?

I personally don't have much of an opinion on Bolsonaro, as I don't know much about the guy. However, I do like his right-populist position & his support for capitalism (Including his stance on socialism). I do look forward to seeing him put his agenda into action; Maybe he'll be the one that'll push Brazil into Superpower territory.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:36 pm

Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:Literally everyone who is not part of the alt-right, has a rational and open mind, remembers World War 2, and supports personal liberty brings up Bolsonaro's authoritarianism or racebaiting drivel. Nevertheless, you have failed. Your "kampf" has ended before it even begun and now you are a horse kicking desperately as the last iota of blood drains from him. As the Internet would say on pests like you:
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:Holy mother of God and Jesus Christ of Nazareth, literally SECONDS after I've posted hte "BEGONE THOT" meme image to deliver the final blow, the troll got banned and turned into a "former nation". Peasants rejoice! For the Wind has finally faded at last and after a grueling and harsh Winter....
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Postby Rio Cana » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:40 pm

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The New California Republic wrote:In the long run it really isn't for me to decide...

Well, I'm not here to beat a dead horse. I would like to see a Brazil that is more aligned with the US, opposed to Communism, and a strong supporter of nationalism.

That appears to be what Bolsonaro is sold as, but reality will be what reality is.


Brazil is far from a world problem. It really seems things could be heating up in Asia. Foreigners who have been living in China and love China are starting to leave in good numbers. The government there is making things very difficult for foreigners when it comes to paperwork and some other things. Things in China have changed since the new Pres. took over. Nationalism against foreign people is showing its face in China. In a new years speech, he even mention his intention of getting Taiwan back with China. They say getting back Taiwan is his main priority. In the meantime time, Taiwan is arming up.

This on his speech from Euronews - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y9BRzVzbyk
This from a South African that lives in China on foreigners leaving - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrzJcnK_c-4
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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:44 pm

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Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:Literally everyone who is not part of the alt-right, has a rational and open mind, remembers World War 2, and supports personal liberty brings up Bolsonaro's authoritarianism or racebaiting drivel. Nevertheless, you have failed. Your "kampf" has ended before it even begun and now you are a horse kicking desperately as the last iota of blood drains from him. As the Internet would say on pests like you:
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:Holy mother of God and Jesus Christ of Nazareth, literally SECONDS after I've posted hte "BEGONE THOT" meme image to deliver the final blow, the troll got banned and turned into a "former nation". Peasants rejoice! For the Wind has finally faded at last and after a grueling and harsh Winter....
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And you get a *** WARNING for spamming/flaming ***. There is never any reason to be gloating over a deletion, and even less for for image spamming while doing it. Review the site rules, lest you wind up in the same boat.

Pardon me, Your Grace. The user in question was egregiously violating forum rules by his "racism is good and moral" nonsense, him posting deliberately misleading and extremist sources, blatant trolling and refactoring other users's comments in quotes with the intent of libel, or to put it simply, plain thread derailing and being a annoyance. I accidentally let myself get carried away by the relief of seeing the madness ending and thus made the "Spring has come, peasants rejoice" message. I didn't intend to gloat over someone else's disaster, nor did I want this to happen, but what happened has happened, and nobody can turn back time. My apologies, Your Grace. *Genuflects*

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Postby Oil exporting People » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:53 pm

If Bolsonaro is true, the Great Crusade has begun and wish him lucky in the wars to come.
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Postby Torrocca » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:54 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:If Bolsonaro is true, the Great Crusade has begun and wish him lucky in the wars to come.


No.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:04 pm

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Oil exporting People wrote:If Bolsonaro is true, the Great Crusade has begun and wish him lucky in the wars to come.


No.


I'm not holding my breath; my original hopes about Trump were dashed after all. I'm still hoping Bolsonaro will be the man to finally kill the Pink Tide.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:05 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:I'm still hoping Bolsonaro will be the man to finally kill the Pink Tide.

I didn't realize that Bolsonaro had global jurisdiction...
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Postby Risottia » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:15 pm

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The New California Republic wrote:I understand perfectly well actually. If a politician says that they are fighting against something in their country, and said thing does not exist in said country, then that politician is lying.

He was fighting against something that existed. It was a corrupt left-wing government, that did exist. I lived under it. While it wasn't Socialism by your definition, it was socialism by his and most Brazilian's definition. Just because something doesn't fit within an exact definition doesn't mean it didn't exist!

The claim that the Temer presidency was socialist defies any possible meaning of "socialist", "idea", and "making any sense".
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:16 pm

Excellent. The world cannot progress until socialism has been thrown in the dustbin of history.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:19 pm

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Oil exporting People wrote:I'm still hoping Bolsonaro will be the man to finally kill the Pink Tide.

I didn't realize that Bolsonaro had global jurisdiction...


The Pink Tide is a term specifically referring to Latin America. You might find it helpful to know what you're talking about before attempting to debate on it.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:24 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:The Pink Tide is a term specifically referring to Latin America. You might find it helpful to know what you're talking about before attempting to debate on it.

I was on my phone so it was a bit difficult at the time to check. ;)
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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:27 pm

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The New California Republic wrote:I didn't realize that Bolsonaro had global jurisdiction...


The Pink Tide is a term specifically referring to Latin America. You might find it helpful to know what you're talking about before attempting to debate on it.

The "Pink" and "Blue" tides are all part of a cyclical occurence anyway. It goes in the vein of this: Rightwing government suffers a economic recession due to a stock market crash or a economic bubble by deregulation, severe austerity, devaluation of the currency and slashing of the social safety net follows, thus increasing unemployment, poverty, and dissatisfaction with the government, a popular wave of discontent causes governments one by one to fall and be followed by leftwing "pink" social democratic governments which cancel austerity, restore the benefits, pass measures intended to lower income inequality and modernize infrastructure, provide healthcare for all, reduce poverty, fund small businesses, etc etc, until a corruption scandal at the highest echelons of the financial sector and government (Think Lava Jato in Brazil) is revealed to the public, causing mass closures of infrastructural projects across the nation as they were funded by Petrobras, the same oil company financing em and implicated in the scandal, wave of arrests and dissolutions of firms causing havoc on the economy, putting hundreds of thousands of civilians out of work and thus onto the street, escalating crime rates and terrorist attacks, thus lowering financial confidence, leading to the impeachment of the corrupt president from office and then leading to widespread public dissatisfaction, which in turn leads to the upset election of a typical rightwing figure the likes of Jair Bolsonaro, and then repeat ad infinitum.

That is the Latin American political cycle in a nutshell, and it will remain so for the foreseeable future. Don't expect any tide to last forever, whether it is a conservative "blue tide" or a progressive "pink tide".
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Postby Aclion » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:59 pm

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Aclion wrote:You talk about the economy and the people as if they are separate things.

They are. The nation is the peooople, the economy is the money. If the economy is great, but the common man cannot even afford a burial (a "luxury" even the pauper of the Dark Ages had access to), and must be cremated, then how beneficial is that? Sex changes are a human right, but burial is a luxury? We do not live in a Christian society, we live in a society.

The economy is nothing more then an abstraction we use to describe to collective productive and consumptive behaviour of the people. An economy is doing well when people are better able to produce desirable goods and services and better able to obtain the goods and services they desire. Thus the wellbeing of the economy and the (economic)wellbeing of the people is the same thing.
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Postby Hrythingland » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:08 pm

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Hrythingland wrote:This is excellent news for Brazil, a country that was poised to be a significant power before being throttled by socialism and corruption. Once again the Anglophone and Lusophone worlds lead the fight against leftist tyranny.


Calling Brazil Anglophone is a bloody insult to their origins.

It's Lusophone, and Lusophone only.

Brazil is not Anglophone.. I know that. Anglophone refers to Trump, Brexit and some of the good work done in Australia. Anglophone isn’t really an insult as such, linking them together is a nod to England’s oldest ally: Portugal, who is in turn, Brazil’s mother.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:09 pm

So why is what he's proposing so important? What is so evil about the things he wants rid of?
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Postby Mardla » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:34 pm

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Mardla wrote:They are. The nation is the peooople, the economy is the money. If the economy is great, but the common man cannot even afford a burial (a "luxury" even the pauper of the Dark Ages had access to), and must be cremated, then how beneficial is that? Sex changes are a human right, but burial is a luxury? We do not live in a Christian society, we live in a society.

The economy is nothing more then an abstraction we use to describe to collective productive and consumptive behaviour of the people. An economy is doing well when people are better able to produce desirable goods and services and better able to obtain the goods and services they desire. Thus the wellbeing of the economy and the (economic)wellbeing of the people is the same thing.

Economic wellbeing here signifies rate of consumption?
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Postby Painisia » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:46 pm

Well, now I expect that Jair Bolsonaro knows the seriousness of having the Presidency in his own hands. He might act less crazy and perhaps more good-hearted throughout his presidency. But he might have a hard time trying to pass through new reforms in the Congress, if he doesn't find allied parties.


Also, as Bolsonaro will now pull back restrictions on gun ownership, will his opponents be allowed to own arms? Because maybe some will form guerrillas or resistance groups. Anyway, Brazil is embarking on an interesting journey...........
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:19 am

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Great Minarchistan wrote:This doesn't say anything in and of itself as a threat


Ah, yes, because when it's blatantly clear that the vast majority of the Amazon is being destroyed for agricultural reasons, that nothing says, "environmental protection!" quite like putting its protection under a ministry dedicated to furthering the goals of agricultural production.

That's indeed happening, and blame the previous decades of other governments which, despite having enjoyed 40 years of direct democracy, left 4.5 million sq. kilometers worth of rainforest to be protected with half a billion dollars. Besides, when two or more ministries fuse, all of their responsibilities are mashed onto one -- ergo this move wasn't a destructive one at all.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:24 am

Mardla wrote:
Aclion wrote:The economy is nothing more then an abstraction we use to describe to collective productive and consumptive behaviour of the people. An economy is doing well when people are better able to produce desirable goods and services and better able to obtain the goods and services they desire. Thus the wellbeing of the economy and the (economic)wellbeing of the people is the same thing.

Economic wellbeing here signifies rate of consumption?

That, or productivity. Though yknow, people usually prefer to have $15k extra in hand instead of working five less hours a week.
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Postby ShakaZuli » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:02 am

Bolsonaro has its good and bad sides so it is still early to make good judgement about him. On one hand he seems to be on the right track but the same time shows neocon features. The good sides is preventing sexed in schools, fighting corruption and violence, saying the truth about the Brazilian millitary rule which was one of Brazils golden age; the neoconish sides is his pro-market stance and his devoutness to USA as opposed to Russia or China.

Even despite his bad sides Bolsonaro is the first right-wing experiment since the 80s and before him there was no alternative to the left establishment. A Brazilian nationalist and pro-souveregnity right needs more time to develop.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:05 am

ShakaZuli wrote:Bolsonaro has its good and bad sites so it is still early to make good judgement about him. On one hand he seems to be on the right track but the same time shows neocon features. The good sides is preventing sexed in schools, fighting corruption and violence, saying the truth about the Brazilian millitary rule which was one of Brazils golden age; the neoconish sides is his pro-market stance and his devoutness to USA as opposed to Russia or China.

Even despite his bad sides Bolsonaro is the first right-wing experiment since the 80s and before him there was no alternative to the left establishment. A Brazilian nationalist and pro-souveregnity right needs more time to develop.


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