Jair Bolsonaro declares Brazil's 'liberation from socialism'

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

Now that's something you pulled right out of your ass.

It's reality. Verify it if you want to.

Burden of proof falls on YOU though as YOU have made the argument to begin with. Either take the actual effort to cite credible source to support your dubious at best claims and form a coherent and reasonable point, or hit the road. Do not try to run off like a rat. Cite a independent, reputable, and detailed source to back up your claim with facts, or you are nothing more than a plain ol' "Dark Enlightenment" troll who is a Ahnenerbe fanboi.

[Cascadian Vinland]

It's reality. Verify it if you want to.

The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. The onus isn't on the person hearing the claim to verify it; asking them to do so is just lazy debating.

Okay. So what's in it for me?
I can verify this, but would it change anyone's mind about anything?
If it would, then I will.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

It's almost like you're deliberately pretending that he didn't just transfer control of the Amazon from the Justice Ministry to the Ministry of Agriculture, which you even acknowledged earlier in this thread as something that happened.

This doesn't say anything in and of itself as a threat, especially when the new Ministry of Agriculture was mashed up with environmental responsibilities as part of his plan to decrease the number of ministries.

If you don't see the conflict of interest in the Minister of Agriculture having power over environmental matters then you're either incredibly naive or in total denial.

Nice redirect; now answer my question.

Cooperating with corporations (already implying it's in a malicious way) is called collusion, not corruption. You might be seeking for another term but that wouldn't make him sound as bad as if you called him a corrupt, would it?

We don't let the Church influence government to pursue it's own agenda, so why should we let corporations - which are often far more immoral - do the same?

Huh, it's almost like freeing millions of slaves without bothering to ensure they integrate into society as citizens will create a disproportionate division between demographic groups in terms of income, employment, education, and other factors which largely determine how valuable they are as citizens and which will have lasting effects for the next few generations if something isn't done about it.

Who'd have thought you have to teach people how to be part of a society they've never had access to before in order to give them a fair and equal chance? Helluva a thing, that.

They could never be integrated and still aren't. The humane solution was deportation, but the 1% was too cheap to follow through on the plan and today we are all paying for it.

Blacks are a different nation from Americans, and different nations should be geographically separated. This multicultural nonsense is what started WW I when the Serbs revolted against the multicultural Austro-Hungarian Empire.

I agree, multiculturalism is idiotic nonsense. Which is why efforts to integrate Black Americans into American society properly should have been undertaken following the end of the Civil War; instead of just freeing them and leaving them to fend for themselves, which has unsurprisingly led to a cultural rift in America which continues to harm this country.

How easy ethnocentrists forget the glory of Rome was built on more than just Latins; how any man or woman could become a proper Roman, regardless of their race or heritage. But hey, what does a civilization that lasted for over a thousand years know?

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

[citation needed].

You never heard of the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand?

What does that have anything to do with racial equality or the amount of melanin within your body? AFAIK, a white, native Austrian or Hungarian man is perfectly capable of assassinating Ferdinand as much as a ethnic minority or a african would, so what is your game? Plus, you do realize that Slavs were too white and all including Czechs and Slovaks wanted the blood of the Habsburgs, not just the Serbs?

[Torrocca]

Cooperating with corporations (already implying it's in a malicious way) is called collusion, not corruption. You might be seeking for another term but that wouldn't make him sound as bad as if you called him a corrupt, would it?

We don't let the Church influence government to pursue it's own agenda, so why should we let corporations - which are often far more immoral - do the same?

Don't'cha know? The only way to maximize Freedom Units^TM is to maximize the freedoms of corporations to be immoral, because thanks to the magic of free market hupla bupla, they'll become moral, social authoritarianism and a potential for military dictatorships be damned!

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

You never heard of the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand?

What does that have anything to do with racial equality or the amount of melanin within your body? AFAIK, a white man is perfectly capable of assassinating Ferdinand as much as a ethnic minority or a african would, so what is your game? Plus, you do realize that Slavs were too white and all including Czechs and Slovaks wanted the blood of the Habsburgs, not just the Serbs?

Everybody in Europe wanted the blood of the Habsburgs at one point or another.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

What does that have anything to do with racial equality or the amount of melanin within your body? AFAIK, a white man is perfectly capable of assassinating Ferdinand as much as a ethnic minority or a african would, so what is your game? Plus, you do realize that Slavs were too white and all including Czechs and Slovaks wanted the blood of the Habsburgs, not just the Serbs?

Everybody in Europe wanted the blood of the Habsburgs at one point or another.

Amen to that, Trollzyn.

[The New California Republic]

The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. The onus isn't on the person hearing the claim to verify it; asking them to do so is just lazy debating.

Okay. So what's in it for me?
I can verify this, but would it change anyone's mind about anything?
If it would, then I will.

Actually getting people to believe you for one thing. As it stands, I have dismissed your claim out of hand, because you haven't brought one scrap of proof to the table. If you don't care if people believe the claims you are making and whether they instantly dismiss them, then carry on spinning in circles buddy.

[Cascadian Vinland]

You never heard of the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand?

What does that have anything to do with racial equality or the amount of melanin within your body? AFAIK, a white, native Austrian or Hungarian man is perfectly capable of assassinating Ferdinand as much as a ethnic minority or a african would, so what is your game? Plus, you do realize that Slavs were too white and all including Czechs and Slovaks wanted the blood of the Habsburgs, not just the Serbs?

You're missing the point. Ferdinand was assassinated by a Yugoslavist seeking to end Austria's ownership of Bosnia. Why weren't Bosnians and Serbs happy being ruled by the illustrious Austro-Hungarian Empire? Why were the Hungarians becoming increasingly dissatisfied with Austrian rule? Why did the German-speaking peoples unite into one nation? Why did the French make France?

People of the same ethnicity want to live together, and they don't want to be dominated by another ethnicity. This is so elementary that is ridiculous when people like you try to question it. What level of propaganda was necessary to melt your mind?

[Cascadian Vinland]

Okay. So what's in it for me?
I can verify this, but would it change anyone's mind about anything?
If it would, then I will.

Actually getting people to believe you for one thing. As it stands, I have dismissed your claim out of hand, because you haven't brought one scrap of proof to the table. If you don't care if people believe the claims you are making and whether they instantly dismiss them, then carry on spinning in circles buddy.

I don't care what you think of my online avatar.
If I post proof what will that change about your worldview? Anything? Will you just explain it away, or will it actually make a difference?

[The New California Republic]

I don't care what you think of my online avatar.

What...the...hell...?

If I post proof what will that change about your worldview? Anything? Will you just explain it away, or will it actually make a difference?

It possibly would make a difference. I am quite pragmatic when it comes to looking at evidence.

[Vassenor]

Actually getting people to believe you for one thing. As it stands, I have dismissed your claim out of hand, because you haven't brought one scrap of proof to the table. If you don't care if people believe the claims you are making and whether they instantly dismiss them, then carry on spinning in circles buddy.

I don't care what you think of my online avatar.
If I post proof what will that change about your worldview? Anything? Will you just explain it away, or will it actually make a difference?

Who said anything about your avatar?

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

What does that have anything to do with racial equality or the amount of melanin within your body? AFAIK, a white, native Austrian or Hungarian man is perfectly capable of assassinating Ferdinand as much as a ethnic minority or a african would, so what is your game? Plus, you do realize that Slavs were too white and all including Czechs and Slovaks wanted the blood of the Habsburgs, not just the Serbs?

You're missing the point. Ferdinand was assassinated by a Yugoslavist seeking to end Austria's ownership of Bosnia. Why weren't Bosnians and Serbs happy being ruled by the illustrious Austro-Hungarian Empire? Why were the Hungarians becoming increasingly dissatisfied with Austrian rule? Why did the German-speaking peoples unite into one nation? Why did the French make France?

People of the same ethnicity want to live together, and they don't want to be dominated by another ethnicity. This is so elementary that is ridiculous when people like you try to question it. What level of propaganda was necessary to melt your mind?

Except that blacks or asians or whoever else aren't dominating ANYONE within the United States, not even the "liberal bastions" of the coastal regions or Canada. Whites still form a solid majority in every western and eastern european country and much of Northern America, and Latin America along with Central America too is not dominated by "muh hordes of blacks and joos comin to replace and genocide my species reee", only Hispanics, white latin americans, and Mestizos, but no black power majority there. And you still did not answer one thing:
How exactly does it justify a rigid racial hierarchy, Jim Crow style segregation (Which a majority of Americans OPPOSE today, mind you), or outright holocaust-esque genocide?

And you do realize the Roman Empire had countless cultures such as the Hellenics, Gauls, Iberians, Egyptians, and Palestineans/Jews living within it for thousands of years and their decision to assimilate over time instead of violently expulse or genocide worked out well? Ethno-nationalism (Particularly a 100% Aryan White ethnostate) is in itself ridiculous per this:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/White_nationalism
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Mass_immigration
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Neoreactionary_movement

These 3 articles perfectly serve as a debunk of typical talking points spouted by trolls the likes of you, or wannabe emo soybois who worship the Swastika as a trendy symbol of rebellion for those who never had to live under his regime.

[Cascadian Vinland]

I don't care what you think of my online avatar.

What...the...hell...?

If I post proof what will that change about your worldview? Anything? Will you just explain it away, or will it actually make a difference?

It possibly would make a difference. I am quite pragmatic when it comes to looking at evidence.

There are references in the image. I looked them up, and they were accurate.

[Vassenor]

What...the...hell...?


It possibly would make a difference. I am quite pragmatic when it comes to looking at evidence.

There are references in the image. I looked them up, and they were accurate.

Oh, an alt-right activist said it. Guess it must be true.

[Fostoria]

Go Brazil! Bolsonaro should finally spur infrastructure growth and even foreign investment in Brazil, a country that has many problems in that aspect (as seen in the 2016 Olympics).

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

Actually getting people to believe you for one thing. As it stands, I have dismissed your claim out of hand, because you haven't brought one scrap of proof to the table. If you don't care if people believe the claims you are making and whether they instantly dismiss them, then carry on spinning in circles buddy.

I don't care what you think of my online avatar.
If I post proof what will that change about your worldview? Anything? Will you just explain it away, or will it actually make a difference?

You are attacking a strawman. We are NOT talking about your avatar but the BURDEN OF PROOF that should be fulfilled from your side, otherwise, we have no way of actually factchecking or verifying whether your claims are backed by empirical evidence and thus it is classified as a falsehood or snake oil peddling. Your attempt to change the subject to a unrelated topic doesn' work here, and unless you have any solid, independent, and empirical load of evidence to back your whole "Great replacement" and "Racism is good, moral, and neccessary" shtick, we have nothing further to discuss as we are going around in circles.

[The New California Republic]

What...the...hell...?


It possibly would make a difference. I am quite pragmatic when it comes to looking at evidence.

There are references in the image. I looked them up, and they were accurate.

Screengrabs of crudely drawn graphs, with hints of being from a blog doesn't constitute proof.

[Xmara]

Actually getting people to believe you for one thing. As it stands, I have dismissed your claim out of hand, because you haven't brought one scrap of proof to the table. If you don't care if people believe the claims you are making and whether they instantly dismiss them, then carry on spinning in circles buddy.

I don't care what you think of my online avatar.
If I post proof what will that change about your worldview? Anything? Will you just explain it away, or will it actually make a difference?

First, what in the world does your avatar have to do with anything?

Second, it doesn’t matter what he (or anyone else for that matter) thinks of the proof. When someone asks for proof to a claim you made, you provide it.

[Cascadian Vinland]

Oh, an alt-right activist said it. Guess it must be true.

It certainly doesn't make it untrue. Are you more concerned with facts themselves or with the person relating those facts?

[Cascadian Vinland]

When someone asks for proof to a claim you made, you provide it.

I do what I want.

[The New California Republic]

Oh, an alt-right activist said it. Guess it must be true.

It certainly doesn't make it untrue. Are you more concerned with facts themselves or with the person relating those facts?

The source matters.

[Vassenor]

I do what I want.

And that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed just as easily.

Oh, an alt-right activist said it. Guess it must be true.

It certainly doesn't make it untrue. Are you more concerned with facts themselves or with the person relating those facts?

Right, because alt-rightists never misrepresent things in biased ways.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

What...the...hell...?


It possibly would make a difference. I am quite pragmatic when it comes to looking at evidence.

There are references in the image. I looked them up, and they were accurate.

AHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHA! Citing DAILY STORMER, a proudly neo-nazi and far-right propaganda tabloid as your base of evidence? Give me a fucking break. Let's see what Mediabiasfactcheck.com has to say bout it:
"RATING AND TYPE: QUESTIONABLE SOURCE
A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence (Learn More). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact checked on a per article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source. See all Questionable sources.

Reasoning: Extreme Right, Hate Group

Notes: The Daily Stormer is an American neo-Nazi and white supremacist news and commentary website. It is part of the alt-right movement. Its editor is Andrew Anglin, who founded it on July 4, 2013, as a faster-paced replacement for his previous website Total Fascism. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center this is a Neo-Nazi Hate group. This source is not worthy of a click. (D. Van Zandt 2/8/2017)

UPDATE: As of 8/14/2017 Neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer moved registration to Google after GoDaddy severs ties due to Charlottesville Incident on 8/12/2017. Approximately one hour later Google cancelled the Daily Stormer’s registration.

UPDATE 2: As of 8/15/2017 Daily Stormer has moved to the Dark Web and can no longer be viewed through normal internet channels."
Get pranked. Check urself before you dreck urself.

[Xmara]

Oh, an alt-right activist said it. Guess it must be true.

It certainly doesn't make it untrue. Are you more concerned with facts themselves or with the person relating those facts?

It still didn’t come from a source where we can verify the credibility. Got anything from governmental sites, economic sites, etc.?