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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:37 pm

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Xmara wrote:When someone asks for proof to a claim you made, you provide it

I do what I want.

If that is your attitude, then trying to debate with you is pretty much pointless, since you could pull any claim out of your arse without evidence to back it up. It just means that we will start dismissing your claims be default.
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Postby Cascadian Vinland » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:37 pm

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Cascadian Vinland wrote:There are references in the image. I looked them up, and they were accurate.
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Screengrabs of crudely drawn graphs, with hints of being from a blog doesn't constitute proof.


The information all comes from the 2014 federal budget.

http://thealternativehypothesis.org/ind ... hispanics/

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Postby Cascadian Vinland » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:38 pm

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Cascadian Vinland wrote:I do what I want.

If that is your attitude, then trying to debate with you is pretty much pointless, since you could pull any claim out of your arse without evidence to back it up. It just means that we will start dismissing your claims be default.

Is there a point in debating with you?

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Postby Cascadian Vinland » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:39 pm

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Cascadian Vinland wrote:It certainly doesn't make it untrue. Are you more concerned with facts themselves or with the person relating those facts?


It still didn’t come from a source where we can verify the credibility. Got anything from governmental sites, economic sites, etc.?

The source of the data is the 2014 federal budget.

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Postby Torrocca » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:39 pm

Hey, friendos, instead of letting some blatant white-supremacist derail this thread, how about we stay focused on the obvious issue of Jair Bolsonaro's dickery in fucking over minority groups and the environment instead?
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Postby Cascadian Vinland » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:40 pm

Torrocca wrote:Hey, friendos, instead of letting some blatant white-supremacist derail this thread, how about we stay focused on the obvious issue of Jair Bolsonaro's dickery in fucking over minority groups and the environment instead?

Nations belong to the ethnicity that founded them.

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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:41 pm

Cascadian Vinland wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:If that is your attitude, then trying to debate with you is pretty much pointless, since you could pull any claim out of your arse without evidence to back it up. It just means that we will start dismissing your claims be default.

Is there a point in debating with you?

If you consistently make grandiose claims without evidence from reasonable sources to back it up, then no, there clearly isn't.



Cascadian Vinland wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Screengrabs of crudely drawn graphs, with hints of being from a blog doesn't constitute proof.


The information all comes from the 2014 federal budget.

http://thealternativehypothesis.org/ind ... hispanics/

Compounding a right-wing blog with yet another right-wing blog isn't digging you out of the hole buddy...



Torrocca wrote:Hey, friendos, instead of letting some blatant white-supremacist derail this thread, how about we stay focused on the obvious issue of Jair Bolsonaro's dickery in fucking over minority groups and the environment instead?

Sure. :)
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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:43 pm

Cascadian Vinland wrote:
Xmara wrote:
It still didn’t come from a source where we can verify the credibility. Got anything from governmental sites, economic sites, etc.?

The source of the data is the 2014 federal budget.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ryan_Faulk
Alternative Hypothesis exposed. Once again citing a fellow "Kamaraden" and not bothering to look for any impartial or solid factchecked pieces of data. Besides, if an alt-righter wrote the entire article...
then how can we guarantee he didn't skew or otherwise cherrypick the numbers to fit his own agenda? Still, questionable to outright propaganda "source", and thus not to be trusted. You've got only ONE single try left before we officially regard you as a snake oil peddler. Step up your game, or lose the debate. Your choice.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:43 pm

Torrocca wrote:Hey, friendos, instead of letting some blatant white-supremacist derail this thread, how about we stay focused on the obvious issue of Jair Bolsonaro's dickery in fucking over minority groups and the environment instead?

But he's putting so much effort into getting our attention! He'd be so upset if we all just ignored him.
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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:45 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Hey, friendos, instead of letting some blatant white-supremacist derail this thread, how about we stay focused on the obvious issue of Jair Bolsonaro's dickery in fucking over minority groups and the environment instead?

But he's putting so much effort into getting our attention! He'd be so upset if we all just ignored him.

Did you hear anything, Comrade? I think that whatever was making all the hubbub 'round here has officially become Gone With the Wind as of this moment. :D

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Postby Cascadian Vinland » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:45 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Cascadian Vinland wrote:Is there a point in debating with you?

If you consistently make grandiose claims without evidence from reasonable sources to back it up, then no, there clearly isn't.



Cascadian Vinland wrote:
The information all comes from the 2014 federal budget.

http://thealternativehypothesis.org/ind ... hispanics/

Compounding a right-wing blog with yet another right-wing blog isn't digging you out of the hole buddy...



Torrocca wrote:Hey, friendos, instead of letting some blatant white-supremacist derail this thread, how about we stay focused on the obvious issue of Jair Bolsonaro's dickery in fucking over minority groups and the environment instead?

Sure. :)

I provided proof. The graph is factual. If you are concerned with truth then you will concede the point.

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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:47 pm

Cascadian Vinland wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:If you consistently make grandiose claims without evidence from reasonable sources to back it up, then no, there clearly isn't.




Compounding a right-wing blog with yet another right-wing blog isn't digging you out of the hole buddy...




Sure. :)

I provided proof. The graph is factual. If you are concerned with truth then you will concede the point.

Did y'all hear something? I think it's the mysterious fly attempting to disrupt our intellectual debate bout Bolsonaro. Have no fear, @Ifreann and others, that pest will not bother us in due time if we do not play it's game.

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Postby Torrocca » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:47 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Hey, friendos, instead of letting some blatant white-supremacist derail this thread, how about we stay focused on the obvious issue of Jair Bolsonaro's dickery in fucking over minority groups and the environment instead?

But he's putting so much effort into getting our attention! He'd be so upset if we all just ignored him.


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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:49 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Ifreann wrote:But he's putting so much effort into getting our attention! He'd be so upset if we all just ignored him.


But the suffering is the most delectable part!

Who were we talkin bout again, Comrade Torocca? Whoever or whatever it was, it vanished so quickly that I can't even catch it's name. (Going with the game, guys. Don't feed the troll.) :)

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Postby Cascadian Vinland » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:49 pm

Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:
Cascadian Vinland wrote:I provided proof. The graph is factual. If you are concerned with truth then you will concede the point.

Did y'all hear something? I think it's the mysterious fly attempting to disrupt our intellectual debate bout Bolsonaro. Have no fear, @Ifreann and others, that pest will not bother us in due time if we do not play it's game.

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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:51 pm

Cascadian Vinland wrote:I provided proof. The graph is factual. If you are concerned with truth then you will concede the point.

I mentioned burden of proof, and it was an uphill struggle to get you to acquiesce to providing sources. And now it is an uphill struggle to get you to give me proof from a reputable source. I think that the only person concerned with truth in this little back-and-forth is me. But cool. Keep doing what you are doing, spinning in circles by making claims with no proof.
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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:51 pm

Cascadian Vinland wrote:
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:Did y'all hear something? I think it's the mysterious fly attempting to disrupt our intellectual debate bout Bolsonaro. Have no fear, @Ifreann and others, that pest will not bother us in due time if we do not play it's game.

Racism is moral and just.

Hmmm, what was that humming in the distance? Oh right, it's the Wind again, blowing the leaves off of the trees and preparing us for the coming Winter from the North... Better get the fires ready. Nothing to worry about though, the Wind and whatever it attempts to hurl at us shall perish soon enough.

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Postby Cascadian Vinland » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:52 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Cascadian Vinland wrote:I provided proof. The graph is factual. If you are concerned with truth then you will concede the point.

I mentioned burden of proof, and it was an uphill struggle to get you to acquiesce to providing sources. And now it is an uphill struggle to get you to give me proof from a reputable source. I think that the only person concerned with truth in this little back-and-forth is me. But cool. Keep doing what you are doing, spinning in circles by making claims with no proof.

You're a whiner. All that talk about how you like to consider facts, and now look at you. You're behaving exactly as I expected you to.

You are swine before whom I have cast pearls.

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Postby Cascadian Vinland » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:54 pm

Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:
Cascadian Vinland wrote:Racism is moral and just.

Hmmm, what was that humming in the distance? Oh right, it's the Wind again, blowing the leaves off of the trees and preparing us for the coming Winter from the North... Better get the fires ready. Nothing to worry about though, the Wind and whatever it attempts to hurl at us shall perish soon enough.

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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:56 pm

Cascadian Vinland wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I mentioned burden of proof, and it was an uphill struggle to get you to acquiesce to providing sources. And now it is an uphill struggle to get you to give me proof from a reputable source. I think that the only person concerned with truth in this little back-and-forth is me. But cool. Keep doing what you are doing, spinning in circles by making claims with no proof.

You're a whiner. All that talk about how you like to consider facts, and now look at you. You're behaving exactly as I expected you to.

You are swine before whom I have cast pearls.

Yawn, more drivel coming from a hideous and gnarly creature such as the likes of the Black Sun. Give it up, Fly. Nobody is gonna fall for your ridiculous drivel and patent nonsense which you've been spouting for the past few hours. Want me to cite the reason why Alternative Hypothesis is pure hogwash? Here:
"Ryan Faulk, also known as The Alternative Hypothesis or The Alt Hype or FringeElements or Stodles, is an alt-right blogger and YouTube talker who supports white nationalism and race realism. He writes articles for TheAlternativeHypothesis.org with Sean Last, a Neo-Nazi who also writes for The Right Stuff. Despite holding far right political views, Faulk describes himself as "homosexual", "mildly autistic", and "1/16th Negro".
Although describing himself as "alternative", Faulk's views on race are typical of the alt-right. On his website's "about" page, Faulk writes:

The "alt-right" rose to prominence sometime between 2014 and 2016. While we did not start this website until 2016, both of us who run this site (Sean Last and Ryan Faulk) were writing about racial issues considerably before 2014. (Sean started in 2009 and Ryan started in 2007). We were doing this before the alt-right was a thing. That being said, we exist within the online community of people which has become the alt-right, we know many people who run notable alt-right sites, and our ideology exists within the alt-right if one has a "big tent" conception of the movement.

Although Faulk eschews more explicitly extreme alt-right rhetoric, he repeats much more common white nationalist talking points:[7]

We do not advocate genocide, slavery, or any other kind of “supremacist” action. [...] On the other hand, we do endorse the factual statements, supported by a wealth of scientific evidence, that human populations differ in socially important ways for genetic reasons and that racial diversity does a great deal of societal harm. We also defend the prescriptive statement that White nations have just as much of a right as Asian or African nations to defend themselves from demographic displacement.

On his Twitter, Faulk retweets his support for white nationalist groups such as American Renaissance.

Faulk also argues that racial equality is a "biological impossibility".


In March 2017, Faulk was interviewed on Red Ice Creations for the show "In Defense of First World Policies & Genetics"."

Does not souns like a credible source to me, much less the financial report from the 2014 Fiscal Year. But sure, continue citing sources only YOU agree with within your echochamber, but be wary though, expect no one to actually regard you as a eloquent and honest debater.

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Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:Incoherent Communist noises. Still confused about what gender I am.

A predictable post.

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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:58 pm

Cascadian Vinland wrote:
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:Hmmm, what was that humming in the distance? Oh right, it's the Wind again, blowing the leaves off of the trees and preparing us for the coming Winter from the North... Better get the fires ready. Nothing to worry about though, the Wind and whatever it attempts to hurl at us shall perish soon enough.

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Oh, Graffitti from a rebellious kiddo? Time to wipe off this crap. None of that shall crapflood NS with it's bogus hoaxes.
*Swish and clean movement as the graffitti is wiped off into nothing more than smudges*

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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:00 pm

Cascadian Vinland wrote:
Xmara wrote:
It still didn’t come from a source where we can verify the credibility. Got anything from governmental sites, economic sites, etc.?

The source of the data is the 2014 federal budget.


So why not just link to that rather than various alt-right blogs claiming it says that?
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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:00 pm

Cascadian Vinland wrote:Incoherent anarcho-primitivist belching and grunting as he attempts to build a strawman and refactor other users's comments in order to preserve what little bargaining chips he has in this tug of war

Yawn. Ran outta arguments or anything worthwhile to say?
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Postby Cascadian Vinland » Fri Jan 04, 2019 3:04 pm

Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia wrote:
Cascadian Vinland wrote:Incoherent anarcho-primitivist belching and grunting as he attempts to build a strawman and refactor other users's comments in order to preserve what little bargaining chips he has in this tug of war

Yawn. Ran outta arguments or anything worthwhile to say?

You didn't make an argument. You pointed out that racists are racists and expected what from me, exactly?

I am a racist. I think racism is moral, just, and good. Saying, "But dat's way-cist" has zero effect on me. Pointing out that someone from Red Ice knows someone from AmRen makes sense to me as I like both entities. American Renaissance is a fantastic institution, and I love watching Red Ice TV. There was absolutely zero point to your post, so I summarized it as Communist noises.

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