Jair Bolsonaro declares Brazil's 'liberation from socialism'

[Lanorth]

I feel like these Brazil is going to slowly change into a Dictatorship...

[Fortlock]

Like gutting LGBT rights?

People who complain and complain about LGBT rights makes me not want to support them just because I'm tired of all the LGBT crusaders who don't realize how good things now are. The guy is a homophobe, cool. But he has shown no intention to strip LGBT folks of their rights, and even vowed to protect gays.

Do you really think he is a homophobe? Then you're mistaken. He isn't against gays, he is against the "Gay Kit" in schools. The fact is: the media wants to destroy him, so they make absolutely FAKE NEWS about him, saying that he doesn't like the LGBT community, that he is a racist and such FALSE accusations about him. He is the best option for Brazil, you will see it.

[The South Falls]

Exactly. The colonial government played a large part in instilling the endemic corruption of Brazil.

Eh, I'd say that the Empire was the most successful of Brazil's various phases, but even they had underlying problems (slavery being the most critical problem of the Imperial era, so major that Emperor Pedro II led a lifelong struggle to chip away at it bit by bit before finally abolishing it, and even that cost him his throne).

At least he abolished slavery. It's quite a detrimental institution, instilling discrimination and prejudice into a people.

[Aclion]

Unless you are a troll, you are terribly ignorant. Bolsonaro want to shrink the state.

His support for economic liberalism over both the needs of the people and the enviroment is what concerns me most. What counts is the prosperity of church, family and community. The prosperity f the economy is irrelevant in comparison.

You talk about the economy and the people as if they are separate things.

[The South Falls]

Brazil does not satisfy the conditions for socialism. It has been corrupt, though. Also, do you really think a guy who praised the earlier military dictatorship will let Brazil be free and fair? Also, blaming all of Brazil's problems of "SOCIALIST LEFTISTS" doesn't give credit to anything else.

The effects of four decades of social-democracy are arguably just as corrosive, tbh.

15 years or so, and corruption was rampant in the dictatorship. Who was disappeared during the social democratic period?

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Eh, I'd say that the Empire was the most successful of Brazil's various phases, but even they had underlying problems (slavery being the most critical problem of the Imperial era, so major that Emperor Pedro II led a lifelong struggle to chip away at it bit by bit before finally abolishing it, and even that cost him his throne).

At least he abolished slavery. It's quite a detrimental institution, instilling discrimination and prejudice into a people.

I don't exactly imagine slavery to be pleasant, yeah.

[The South Falls]

People who complain and complain about LGBT rights makes me not want to support them just because I'm tired of all the LGBT crusaders who don't realize how good things now are. The guy is a homophobe, cool. But he has shown no intention to strip LGBT folks of their rights, and even vowed to protect gays.

Do you really think he is a homophobe? Then you're mistaken. He isn't against gays, he is against the "Gay Kit" in schools. The fact is: the media wants to destroy him, so they make absolutely FAKE NEWS about him, saying that he doesn't like the LGBT community, that he is a racist and such FALSE accusations about him. He is the best option for Brazil, you will see it.

Why the all caps?

[The New California Republic]

In the end, my point isn't if he employed a wrong definition of socialism or not. Bolsonaro was addressing the entire population of Brazil, most of which isn't versed in the nuances of Socialism and leftist political movement. He wished to indicate a move away from the old leftist policies adopted by the government, and so he did.

So it was a lie on his part, basically. OK. Glad we got that out of the way.

[Mardla]

It should be noted that the New Heaven and New Earth that Christ establishes after the end of the universe is communism.

Explain how?.

There is no private property or money. According to Saint John Chysostom (who was persecuted for criticizing the wealthy and refusing to attend their feasts or accept their gifts), God intended the world to be common to all, and private property is a deviancy caused by the fall.

This is not an endorsement of communism on my part. Christ told his followers to renounce their wealth, whereas secular communism tells its followers to seize the wealth.

[San Carlos Islands]

People who complain and complain about LGBT rights makes me not want to support them just because I'm tired of all the LGBT crusaders who don't realize how good things now are. The guy is a homophobe, cool. But he has shown no intention to strip LGBT folks of their rights, and even vowed to protect gays.

Do you really think he is a homophobe? Then you're mistaken. He isn't against gays, he is against the "Gay Kit" in schools. The fact is: the media wants to destroy him, so they make absolutely FAKE NEWS about him, saying that he doesn't like the LGBT community, that he is a racist and such FALSE accusations about him. He is the best option for Brazil, you will see it.

I don't agree with the fact he's a homophobe, those are his own values, and I can care less what his values are over the issue. I was just conceding the point for the simplicity of the debate, thus the ",cool."

[Sudbrazil]

In the end, my point isn't if he employed a wrong definition of socialism or not. Bolsonaro was addressing the entire population of Brazil, most of which isn't versed in the nuances of Socialism and leftist political movement. He wished to indicate a move away from the old leftist policies adopted by the government, and so he did.

So it was a lie on his part, basically. OK. Glad we got that out of the way.

No, you fail to understand. I listened to that speech, and it was very much adapted to the average layman, so he used layman's terms. From where did you take the conclusion that he was lying? If I tell you that an animal bit me instead of a Canis Lupus of the Labrador type, am I lying?

[Fortlock]

Jair Bolsonaro is the best option for Brazil. He has anti-socialist ideas and is focused in the improvement of the Brazilian military, yes. He does not encourage rape, this is absolutely fake news. He will liberate Brazil from socialism and even communism. He has appointed ministers who will do their best to elevate Brazil to the next level. Brazil has been corrupt, yes, but it is going to change in Bolsonaro's goverment. Brazil will be a lot better. For example, our new Economy Minister, Paulo Guedes, is a renowned economist who will elevate the Brazilian economy. Our Science & Technology Minister, Marcos Pontes, was a NASA's astronaut! Just think about it. With Bolsonaro, Brazil will be better, I'm sure.

[Imperial spiritus]

Well, he is not the best and far from perfect, but I hope he will make Brazil stronger, even though I don't really know his true agenda or views about human rights.

[Mardla]

His support for economic liberalism over both the needs of the people and the enviroment is what concerns me most. What counts is the prosperity of church, family and community. The prosperity f the economy is irrelevant in comparison.

You talk about the economy and the people as if they are separate things.

They are. The nation is the peooople, the economy is the money. If the economy is great, but the common man cannot even afford a burial (a "luxury" even the pauper of the Dark Ages had access to), and must be cremated, then how beneficial is that? Sex changes are a human right, but burial is a luxury? We do not live in a Christian society, we live in a society.

[Petrolheadia]

Explain how?.

There is no private property or money. According to Saint John Chysostom (who was persecuted for criticizing the wealthy and refusing to attend their feasts or accept their gifts), God intended the world to be common to all, and private property is a deviancy caused by the fall.

This is not an endorsement of communism on my part. Christ told his followers to renounce their wealth, whereas secular communism tells its followers to seize the wealth.

Any reason outside "God said so"?

[Great Minarchistan]

I feel like these Brazil is going to slowly change into a Dictatorship...

How come? Our democratic institutions are pretty solid, at least on a historical basis.

[The New California Republic]

So it was a lie on his part, basically. OK. Glad we got that out of the way.

No, you fail to understand. I listened to that speech, and it was very much adapted to the average layman, so he used layman's terms. From where did you take the conclusion that he was lying? If I tell you that an animal bit me instead of a Canis Lupus of the Labrador type, am I lying?

I understand perfectly well actually. If a politician says that they are fighting against something in their country, and said thing does not exist in said country, then that politician is lying.

[Salus Maior]

Trump is not morally much worse, if at all, than many of the most celebrated Christian monarchs. It's just that today the people are much more closely apprised of their leaders.

Is "not morally much worse, if at all, than many of the most celebrated Christian monarchs." much of a good thing. The morality bar doesn't seem to be too high there.

The morality bar isn't very high for politicians in general. Democracy, apparently, hasn't drastically improved the type of people who end up in power.

[Petrolheadia]

You talk about the economy and the people as if they are separate things.

They are. The nation is the peooople, the economy is the money. If the economy is great, but the common man cannot even afford a burial (a "luxury" even the pauper of the Dark Ages had access to), and must be cremated, then how beneficial is that?

The common man has the access to things the pauper would never dream of.

[Sudbrazil]

You talk about the economy and the people as if they are separate things.

They are. The nation is the peooople, the economy is the money. If the economy is great, but the common man cannot even afford a burial (a "luxury" even the pauper of the Dark Ages had access to), and must be cremated, then how beneficial is that? Sex changes are a human right, but burial is a luxury? We do not live in a Christian society, we live in a society.

By definition if the economy is doing well, the average man does well. The economy is a complex system which rests on the average man. If the average man cannot pay his own burial, he cannot consume, and the economy cannot function, thus your scenario is oxymoronic.

[Great Minarchistan]

The effects of four decades of social-democracy are arguably just as corrosive, tbh.

15 years or so, and corruption was rampant in the dictatorship. Who was disappeared during the social democratic period?

What has disappeared? Besides employment, economic growth, sustainable social progress and innovation?

[San Carlos Islands]

Jair Bolsonaro is the best option for Brazil. He has anti-socialist ideas and is focused in the improvement of the Brazilian military, yes. He does not encourage rape, this is absolutely fake news. He will liberate Brazil from socialism and even communism. He has appointed ministers who will do their best to elevate Brazil to the next level. Brazil has been corrupt, yes, but it is going to change in Bolsonaro's goverment. Brazil will be a lot better. For example, our new Economy Minister, Paulo Guedes, is a renowned economist who will elevate the Brazilian economy. Our Science & Technology Minister, Marcos Pontes, was a NASA's astronaut! Just think about it. With Bolsonaro, Brazil will be better, I'm sure.

This.

tg me btw

[The New California Republic]

He will liberate Brazil from socialism and even communism.

He can't liberate Brazil from something that doesn't exist in Brazil.

[Salus Maior]

There is no private property or money. According to Saint John Chysostom (who was persecuted for criticizing the wealthy and refusing to attend their feasts or accept their gifts), God intended the world to be common to all, and private property is a deviancy caused by the fall.

This is not an endorsement of communism on my part. Christ told his followers to renounce their wealth, whereas secular communism tells its followers to seize the wealth.

Any reason outside "God said so"?

...What do you mean?

I don't really understand what the response is meant to ask.

[The South Falls]

Jair Bolsonaro is the best option for Brazil. He has anti-socialist ideas and is focused in the improvement of the Brazilian military, yes. He does not encourage rape, this is absolutely fake news. He will liberate Brazil from socialism and even communism. He has appointed ministers who will do their best to elevate Brazil to the next level. Brazil has been corrupt, yes, but it is going to change in Bolsonaro's goverment. Brazil will be a lot better. For example, our new Economy Minister, Paulo Guedes, is a renowned economist who will elevate the Brazilian economy. Our Science & Technology Minister, Marcos Pontes, was a NASA's astronaut! Just think about it. With Bolsonaro, Brazil will be better, I'm sure.

This.

tg me btw

X for doubt but ok.