Jair Bolsonaro declares Brazil's 'liberation from socialism'

[Mzeusia]

Trump is not morally much worse, if at all, than many of the most celebrated Christian monarchs. It's just that today the people are much more closely apprised of their leaders.

Is "not morally much worse, if at all, than many of the most celebrated Christian monarchs." much of a good thing. The morality bar doesn't seem to be too high there.

[Barbatum]

Exactly.

So you have no answer for my question. Got it.

You're missing the nuance.

Someone said Bolsonaro's government would gut LGBT rights. I asked why they should be granted any other rights than any other citizen, because by saying someone is "gutting LGBT rights" you're saying they're gutting rights specific to the LGBT community. You said "how are they getting more rights?" which supports my original point. They shouldn't get any more rights than other citizens to begin with.

[Vassenor]

Like gutting LGBT rights?

People who complain and complain about LGBT rights makes me not want to support them just because I'm tired of all the LGBT crusaders who don't realize how good things now are. The guy is a homophobe, cool. But he has shown no intention to strip LGBT folks of their rights, and even vowed to protect gays.

So how do you explain the content of the article I just linked?

[Vassenor]

So you have no answer for my question. Got it.

You're missing the nuance.

Someone said Bolsonaro's government would gut LGBT rights. I asked why they should be granted any other rights than any other citizen, because by saying someone is "gutting LGBT rights" you're saying they're gutting rights specific to the LGBT community. You said "how are they getting more rights?" which supports my original point. They shouldn't get any more rights than other citizens to begin with.

So what rights are they trying to gain beyond those afforded to other citizens?

[San Carlos Islands]

Trump is not morally much worse, if at all, than many of the most celebrated Christian monarchs. It's just that today the people are much more closely apprised of their leaders.

Is "not morally much worse, if at all, than many of the most celebrated Christian monarchs." much of a good thing. The morality bar doesn't seem to be too high there.

Does his morality even matter in the first place? A lot of the "immoral actions" he made aren't anyone's business.

[Byzconia]

You know hes a racist homophobe right?

Instead of throwing labels and insults let's look at his policies and what he wishes to do to Brazil.

"If I see two men kissing in the street, I will hit them."

"I would not be able to love a gay son. I would rather he die in an accident."

He also wants to sell the Amazon rain forest off to the highest bidder and when asked about what would happen to the natives living there said they needed to "adapt or die."

On his first day in office he issued an executive order removing LGBT+ concerns from the human rights ministry.

He also admires Brazil's previous military dictatorship, said Brazil should be a dictatorship again, and said the regime didn't murder enough people.

"Elections won't change anything...it will only change on the day that we...do the job that the military regime didn't do: killing 30,000. If some innocent people die, that's fine."

[Barbatum]

You're missing the nuance.

Someone said Bolsonaro's government would gut LGBT rights. I asked why they should be granted any other rights than any other citizen, because by saying someone is "gutting LGBT rights" you're saying they're gutting rights specific to the LGBT community. You said "how are they getting more rights?" which supports my original point. They shouldn't get any more rights than other citizens to begin with.

So what rights are they trying to gain beyond those afforded to other citizens?

They don't actually want extra rights, because there are no extra rights to be had. LGBT advocacy is a means to attain political and social power.

[Vassenor]

So what rights are they trying to gain beyond those afforded to other citizens?

They don't actually want extra rights, because there are no extra rights to be had. LGBT advocacy is a means to attain political and social power.

In what way?

[Byzconia]

So what rights are they trying to gain beyond those afforded to other citizens?

They don't actually want extra rights, because there are no extra rights to be had. LGBT advocacy is a means to attain political and social power.

[citation needed]

[The South Falls]

Is there anything funny I'm missing?

It sounds like you're saying, "I don't know anything about him, so based on this opinion, I know we don't need more of him."

If you're saying Brazilian LGBTs are being jailed, it's for one of two reasons. Either there is an enshrined law in the Brazilian judicial system that allows for their arrest because of their orientation, or widespread persecution of LGBTs is a result of non-judicial discrimination. If it's the latter you're talking about, it's not the State doing the discriminating. If you're implying that the State is oppressing LGBTs, then that is a result of corruption in the system as they deviate from the written laws. That would be corrected by rooting out corruption.

I dont know what he has done to say "we are liberated from socialism.". You asked what special rights LGBTs should have. I said none. I'm out lining basic human rights here. Nothing specific.

[San Carlos Islands]

People who complain and complain about LGBT rights makes me not want to support them just because I'm tired of all the LGBT crusaders who don't realize how good things now are. The guy is a homophobe, cool. But he has shown no intention to strip LGBT folks of their rights, and even vowed to protect gays.

So how do you explain the content of the article I just linked?

To the point someone made about the LGBT community not deserving extra rights. He removed LGBT concerns from the Human Rights Ministry, great! If you really want to be considered as equal to heterosexuals, you shouldn't have extra protections, especially when your rights are already fully recognized!

[Mardla]

Trump is not morally much worse, if at all, than many of the most celebrated Christian monarchs. It's just that today the people are much more closely apprised of their leaders.

Is "not morally much worse, if at all, than many of the most celebrated Christian monarchs." much of a good thing. The morality bar doesn't seem to be too high there.

It's not, but Hakons is contrasting Trump with conservative ideal. Maistre, the peach pit of conservatives, considered Louis XIV a fantastic king, and Orestes Brownson went so far as to say a ruler's morality is not very relevant, and most of the saintly rulers were not great (one might note that Charles I, Louis XVI, and Nicholas II were all very religious men with impeccable morals).

[Sudbrazil]

Brazil’s new president removes LGBT concerns from human rights ministry

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He is just removing sex ed programs. He's not gutting rights, only taking away privileges.

As for the comments, one treats exclusively of his own family issues, which shouldn't affect government, and the other comes from a pastor that isn't linked to the government itself.

[Chan Island]

He also admires Brazil's previous military dictatorship, said Brazil should be a dictatorship again, and said the regime didn't murder enough people.

"Elections won't change anything...it will only change on the day that we...do the job that the military regime didn't do: killing 30,000. If some innocent people die, that's fine."

Oh dear.

Have fun Brazil. Because it looks like you're not going to have any for a while now...

[The South Falls]

So what rights are they trying to gain beyond those afforded to other citizens?

They don't actually want extra rights, because there are no extra rights to be had. LGBT advocacy is a means to attain political and social power.

That's not true. It's more supposed to protect LGBT people.

[San Carlos Islands]

Instead of throwing labels and insults let's look at his policies and what he wishes to do to Brazil.

"If I see two men kissing in the street, I will hit them."

"I would not be able to love a gay son. I would rather he die in an accident."

He also wants to sell the Amazon rain forest off to the highest bidder and when asked about what would happen to the natives living there said they needed to "adapt or die."

On his first day in office he issued an executive order removing LGBT+ concerns from the human rights ministry.

He also admires Brazil's previous military dictatorship, said Brazil should be a dictatorship again, and said the regime didn't murder enough people.

"Elections won't change anything...it will only change on the day that we...do the job that the military regime didn't do: killing 30,000. If some innocent people die, that's fine."

After being elected president, when asked by William Bonner in the Jornal Nacional about what he would say to those who are more prejudiced and aggressive against gays, Bolsonaro replied: "The aggression against a fellow man has to be punished in the way of law. And if for a reason like this, you have to have your penalty aggravated."

[Barbatum]

They don't actually want extra rights, because there are no extra rights to be had. LGBT advocacy is a means to attain political and social power.

[citation needed]

The right to not be discriminated against by the State is already afforded to all citizens of Brazil. Violation of this principle is a result of corruption, which is wide-spread. Any extra LGBT advocacy is redundant. Why else would they be doing it if they are only advocating for non-discrimination?

[Barbatum]

They don't actually want extra rights, because there are no extra rights to be had. LGBT advocacy is a means to attain political and social power.

That's not true. It's more supposed to protect LGBT people.

Protect them from who?

[The South Falls]

Brazil’s new president removes LGBT concerns from human rights ministry

He is just removing sex ed programs. He's not gutting rights, only taking away privileges.

As for the comments, one treats exclusively of his own family issues, which shouldn't affect government, and the other comes from a pastor that isn't linked to the government itself.[/quote]
He removed LGBTs from the human rights concern. He decided that he'd rather a gay son die in an accident. That betrays prejudice towards LGBT people. He will act on it.

[The South Falls]

That's not true. It's more supposed to protect LGBT people.

Protect them from who?

Extra judicialkillings, prejudice, etc.

[Nouveau Yathrib]

That's not true. It's more supposed to protect LGBT people.

Protect them from who?

Homophobes and employment discrimination, for one thing.

[Vassenor]

Brazil’s new president removes LGBT concerns from human rights ministry

He is just removing sex ed programs. He's not gutting rights, only taking away privileges.

As for the comments, one treats exclusively of his own family issues, which shouldn't affect government, and the other comes from a pastor that isn't linked to the government itself.[/quote]

And what privileges would those be?

[Petrolheadia]

So you have no answer for my question. Got it.

You're missing the nuance.

Someone said Bolsonaro's government would gut LGBT rights. I asked why they should be granted any other rights than any other citizen, because by saying someone is "gutting LGBT rights" you're saying they're gutting rights specific to the LGBT community. You said "how are they getting more rights?" which supports my original point. They shouldn't get any more rights than other citizens to begin with.

And they aren't. Unfortunately.

[Barbatum]

Protect them from who?

Extra judicialkillings, prejudice, etc.

From who. Not what.

[Barbatum]

Protect them from who?

Homophobes and employment discrimination, for one thing.

Existing non-discrimination laws prevent businesses from discriminating. You do not need legislation to "protect" you from homophobes. If a person is homophobic, it's only against the law if they act on the discrimination. Having "bad thoughts" isn't illegal.