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Jair Bolsonaro declares Brazil's 'liberation from socialism'

Postby Gospel Power » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:35 am

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... -president

The new president of Brazil, Jair Bolsonaro, is known for his statements about militarism and his anti socialism statements.
after being sworn in as the country’s 42nd president, he announced Brazil's “liberation from socialism, inverted values, the bloated state and political correctness”.
What would be the future of Brazil in your opinion under Bolsonaro leadership?.
According to his vision for Brazil, will he improve the nation or not?.
I don't know a lot about Mr. Bolsonaro and his vision for Brazil, from the little I know about him, I know that he is a right winger and wants to improve the Brazilian military, he oppose socialism and thinks that capitalism works better, some women said that he is encouraging rape, I don't know if this is fake news or not.
And finally he survived a knife attack.
How you think Brazil will look during his leadership according to his statements and opinions?.

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"Jair Bolsonaro has announced Brazil’s “liberation from socialism, inverted values, the bloated state and political correctness” after being sworn in as the country’s 42nd president.

His words delighted a crowd of more than 100,000 – many of whom had travelled to its modernist capital for the event, convinced the far-right populist can rescue their troubled country from virulent corruption, rising violent crime and economic doldrums.

The former army captain and his wife Michelle waved to crowds from an open-topped Rolls-Royce before he and his vice-president, retired army general Hamilton Mourão, were sworn in at congress.


Woman who Bolsonaro insulted: 'Our president-elect encourages rape'.

In a brief speech to the chamber of deputies, Bolsonaro thanked God for surviving from a near-fatal knife attack during the election campaign and invited lawmakers to help Brazil free itself from “corruption, criminality and economic irresponsibility and ideological submission”.
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Postby Barbatum » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:41 am

Re-allocating money normally given to wide swaths of the population in order to stir innovation and infrastructure? Sounds like a recipe for innovation to me. Corruption will be the issue that gets in the way of that goal, however.

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Postby Par Chic » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:43 am

Looks like the Pepe cultists have a new idol. Donny's gonna be jealous.

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Postby Trumptonium1 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:43 am

He knows how to choose his friends, so he'll be a Tremendous President.

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Postby Par Chic » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:44 am

Barbatum wrote:Re-allocating money normally given to wide swaths of the population in order to stir innovation and infrastructure? Sounds like a recipe for innovation to me. Corruption will be the issue that gets in the way of that goal, however.


You know hes a racist homophobe right?

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Postby Mzeusia » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:46 am

The economy will probably get better, but civil rights and similar stuff will decrease. That's not a very astute answer, but oh well. I don't really know much about Bolsonaro.
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Postby Natherma » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:47 am

Par Chic wrote:
Barbatum wrote:Re-allocating money normally given to wide swaths of the population in order to stir innovation and infrastructure? Sounds like a recipe for innovation to me. Corruption will be the issue that gets in the way of that goal, however.


You know hes a racist homophobe right?

Instead of throwing labels and insults let's look at his policies and what he wishes to do to Brazil.

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Postby Saurian Nations » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:49 am

Mzeusia wrote:The economy will probably get better, but civil rights and similar stuff will decrease. That's not a very astute answer, but oh well. I don't really know much about Bolsonaro.


It's a good answer within the "NationStates" system.

Economy goes up; Civil Rights decrease; Wealth Gaps increase; Welfare decreases; Rudeness goes up

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Postby Mzeusia » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:53 am

Saurian Nations wrote:
Mzeusia wrote:The economy will probably get better, but civil rights and similar stuff will decrease. That's not a very astute answer, but oh well. I don't really know much about Bolsonaro.


It's a good answer within the "NationStates" system.

Economy goes up; Civil Rights decrease; Wealth Gaps increase; Welfare decreases; Rudeness goes up

Thanks. I'm not sure how rude the Brazilians are going to get, but from the limited right-wing regimes I have looked at, the economy seems to do better under them, and then, as I said, civil rights decreases a things like traditionalist values become more prominent.
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Postby Greater Gilead » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:53 am

This guy is exactly what Brazil (and the rest of the world) needs. The right needs more Trumps, more Bolsonaros, more icons that lead and inspire the right to band together. United we Stand, Divided we Fall!
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Postby Bulgar Rouge » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:58 am

The government apparatus in countries like Brazil is corrupt to the bone, it cannot be fixed by reform, tougher laws or strict law enforcement. It requires systematic purging, downsizing, restructuring and liquidation of bloated agencies, often through near-authoritarian means, over a very short period of time so that corruption networks cannot adjust. Of course, all of this must lead to an efficient and transparent government which then prioritises spending to improve national demographics, which are the basis of any economic growth.

Frankly, Bolsonaro doesn't seem like a person who can do that.

He seems a lot more like a guy who would increase spending in unreformed sectors like security, resulting in deeper entrenchment of specific factions but no overall improvement in public order. Likely to cut funding in other sectors without offering those affected any other options, causing a load of social issues.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:59 am

Natherma wrote:
Par Chic wrote:
You know hes a racist homophobe right?

Instead of throwing labels and insults let's look at his policies and what he wishes to do to Brazil.


Like gutting LGBT rights?
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Postby Gospel Power » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:04 am

Par Chic wrote:
Barbatum wrote:Re-allocating money normally given to wide swaths of the population in order to stir innovation and infrastructure? Sounds like a recipe for innovation to me. Corruption will be the issue that gets in the way of that goal, however.


You know hes a racist homophobe right?

Where did you got that source?
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Postby Hakons » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:06 am

Greater Gilead wrote:This guy is exactly what Brazil (and the rest of the world) needs. The right needs more Trumps, more Bolsonaros, more icons that lead and inspire the right to band together. United we Stand, Divided we Fall!


Figures like Trump don't exactly unite the right wing. I'm of the traditional right wing, and I'm not fond of Trump. One part of conservatism is moralism, and Trump is no paragon or virtue.

I support Bolsonaro's war against socialism. Socialism is a terrible ideology and economic system.

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Postby Barbatum » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:06 am

Vassenor wrote:
Natherma wrote:Instead of throwing labels and insults let's look at his policies and what he wishes to do to Brazil.


Like gutting LGBT rights?

Do they require any more rights than any other citizen?

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Postby The South Falls » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:06 am

I mean, honestly, I don't know what he's been doing. We don't need more of him, that's what I know.
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:07 am

Barbatum wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Like gutting LGBT rights?

Do they require any more rights than any other citizen?

They require the rights to exist. Not to be jailed for their orientation.
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Postby Barbatum » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:07 am

The South Falls wrote:I mean, honestly, I don't know what he's been doing. We don't need more of him, that's what I know.

:lol2:

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Postby The South Falls » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:08 am

Barbatum wrote:
The South Falls wrote:I mean, honestly, I don't know what he's been doing. We don't need more of him, that's what I know.

:lol2:

Is there anything funny I'm missing?
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:09 am

Barbatum wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Like gutting LGBT rights?

Do they require any more rights than any other citizen?


In what way are they getting "more rights than any other citizen"?
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Postby Sudbrazil » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:11 am

Vassenor wrote:
Barbatum wrote:Do they require any more rights than any other citizen?


In what way are they getting "more rights than any other citizen"?

The claims that he is going to gut LGBT rights are utter nonsense. His policies are to cut the sex ed programs here, as he thinks that such graphic subjects should be handled by the family, not the government. This was bloated as an attack against the community by the opposition.
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Postby Barbatum » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:12 am

The South Falls wrote:
Barbatum wrote: :lol2:

Is there anything funny I'm missing?

It sounds like you're saying, "I don't know anything about him, so based on this opinion, I know we don't need more of him."

If you're saying Brazilian LGBTs are being jailed, it's for one of two reasons. Either there is an enshrined law in the Brazilian judicial system that allows for their arrest because of their orientation, or widespread persecution of LGBTs is a result of non-judicial discrimination. If it's the latter you're talking about, it's not the State doing the discriminating. If you're implying that the State is oppressing LGBTs, then that is a result of corruption in the system as they deviate from the written laws. That would be corrected by rooting out corruption.

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Postby Barbatum » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:12 am

Vassenor wrote:
Barbatum wrote:Do they require any more rights than any other citizen?


In what way are they getting "more rights than any other citizen"?

Exactly.

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Postby Mardla » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:12 am

Hakons wrote:
Greater Gilead wrote:This guy is exactly what Brazil (and the rest of the world) needs. The right needs more Trumps, more Bolsonaros, more icons that lead and inspire the right to band together. United we Stand, Divided we Fall!


Figures like Trump don't exactly unite the right wing. I'm of the traditional right wing, and I'm not fond of Trump. One part of conservatism is moralism, and Trump is no paragon or virtue.

I support Bolsonaro's war against socialism. Socialism is a terrible ideology and economic system.

Trump is not morally much worse, if at all, than many of the most celebrated Christian monarchs. It's just that today the people are much more closely apprised of their leaders.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:14 am

Barbatum wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
In what way are they getting "more rights than any other citizen"?

Exactly.


So you have no answer for my question. Got it.
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